I liked how intensely erotic this series was as a whole, and the underlying existentialist message. That last talk with old master reminded me about one of my favourite poems - Loneliness by RM Rilke:) But, imo all three parts suffered from problems with narrative structure ...or sth just got lost in translation for me about their relationships. This may get spoiler-ish, so I'll hide my letter of complaint below;)
Im just gonna interpret it as a happy ending despite the signs of it being sad. The car accident only wounded…
Same! It makes zero sense for A-ren to choose that jump, when they used the responsibility for the village and kids to stop him from leaving earlier. That girl recognizing the teacher with surprise could just mean he came back after a while. So happy ending seems perfectly possible to me too:) The last few minutes was just really a lot of contrived melodrama.
What an epic seduction technique in the wilderness! I'm totally stealing it. To think I always dissed people for bringing alcohol to the mountains. I just never knew it was not for drinking:'(
Can't believe it's been a whole year since I was flying high on WoH concert feels! Maybe it's because I was trekking then and I'm trekking again this year, just through different mountains... But the concert has been on my mind a lot today - getting sentimental over the failed singing, ridiculous games, shameless shipping, fandom going wild making the whole city wonder wth is happening and is this a wedding of two guys?!;) Then there's the complicated feelings when I recall our fervent hopes that things stay fun and positive and that no toxicity can touch those two precious goofballs… Well, below are some of my fav concert moments if anyone wants to join me on a stroll down memory lane...
That's one of my general problems with this series. It doesn't know how to set the mood. I keep wondering what…
A graph?! You're killing me😂 Also, make me do weird research. I read your comment above and checked J Wilby's wiki page. Apparently, he was born in Myanmar, so maybe he got circumcised as an infant there? Let's not ask him lol. And you were right on the money with cmbyn. Ivory said Guadagnino agreed to a more steamy intimate scene when they were going through the script, then axed it due to actor contracts. He was not happy about it lol. I liked a lot of things about that movie too, but it did feel to me awfully lacking in chemistry. And that tree zoom-in was just weird.Not British, but I think they generally have much less hang-ups when it comes to appearance, eastethics etc. Lol love the turn this convo has taken.
That's one of my general problems with this series. It doesn't know how to set the mood. I keep wondering what…
Sadly, not a good memory, just a really random one. My mind is a dustbin lol.
I almost rolled off a mountain, I was laughing so hard re R Graves's penis. I wish we were sitting in a pub somewhere to talk this out;) I think his gorgeous full frontal made it into the cinema version of both Maurice and a room with a view. I love that the 80s were so unapologetic about this stuff. Remember how J. Ivory was dissing 'Call me by your name' in one of the interviews for zooming into a tree at intimate scene and no nudity. He was like wth! They just had sex, they should be naked lol.
Also, circumcision is pretty rare in Europe I think. I'm not sure if there's even one country that has the policy of newborns circumcision. I'd say he's the norm. Also, wasn't S. Korea famous for having super high circumcision rate? Plus, muslim majority states I'm sure are high on that list too. You've got choices;) I prefer my men well build, so to me central Asia is like a land filled with wild beauty;))
That's one of my general problems with this series. It doesn't know how to set the mood. I keep wondering what…
Yeah, but the curtain scene was in ep4. I meant they should've told us about his aversion in ep3, so watching the kiss at the end would've had the right impact.
Sorry, I watched ep4 on my phone in low res cause I'm hiking. I thought P left a mark when he headbutted V, cause V kept stroking his chin in front of that mirror. Like a true villain lol.
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I just remembered we talked about dead ringers on the 'not me' thread;) I meant to write back that there's a fan edited version of Maurice with all the deleted scenes. The confrontation at the end should've never been cut. I found this in a quick search but I'm sure there's another version without embedded Viet subs somewhere. https://youtu.be/l5ALMylyrJ8
Just re-watched the end of ep 4 (and admit, you've all done the same), and have a question. Just why, exactly,…
That's one of my general problems with this series. It doesn't know how to set the mood. I keep wondering what emotions they were going for in this or that scene. Like I don't get why they didn't tell us K had an aversion to kissing before the pier scene - I couldn't read that kiss at all.
I thought he was just admiring and getting turned on by the mark P left on his chin. How much more interesting and sinister it'd be, if they showed us a blurry image of a naked body in bed or chained to a cross in the background:) We could assume he's naked cause he's in the middle ofrelieving himself by giving vent to his feelings;)
I feel like I should state my opinion on the sex scene more clearly. So here it goes.To put it simply, I consider…
I gotta say I have a hard time relating to your comment. Especially this part: "And while we can say everyone here can separate reality from fiction. I highly doubt that's possible. You might be affected by it subconsciously, in a way you won't realize. It's harmful."
If we were talking about mainstream media smuggling in harmful tropes/stereotypes, that can be internalised by the viewers and perpetuate undesirable behaviours, I'd agree. But for a bl show that's based on erotica involving non-con, that's clearly established itself as sth from a fantasyland in ep2, and is at least in theory aimed at titillating mature audiences? Imo you've both overstating its impact on the psyche and people who watch it know very well what they're coming for. In the context of MDL, this thread is so spammy and repetitive, I think anyone visiting at any time of the week would learn quickly there's gonna be at least dub-con between the main pair and can proceed at their own risk.
Personally, I think slightly dark-themed shows like this, containing erotic but not graphic content, are a pretty safe way for people to explore their fantasies involving dub-con/non-con. Having said that, I didn't like the way that scene flowed either. I'd prefer it if Porsche sobered up, except I'd wish he did that by having a longer pleasure-pain session with Vegas;)
Anyway, let's wait for the fallout - that'll be what establishes their dynamic for me. I generally prefer wholesome relationships at the center of a story, but if this show goes in a different direction, I'll accept it. I consider myself forewarned.
I don't get why no one talked/was concerned about what was P flying high on? First thing I'd do was call a doctor.…
Sure there are! As we say in my country - paper accepts everything:D
Those trailers are perfect bait. I honestly still don't get why they went for this weird mix of sitcomy humour with a crime setting. I guess they know their audience? I agree completely - I've had a hard time letting go of the more serious P too. I thought those two would go together into danger and battle it out between themselves, then it's gonna overflow into sex. But I'm already in the acceptance stage;) trying to get to know those two without preconceptions.
That tray scene was actually really funny! I thought V kidnapped P because of some rivalry with Kinn, who's staked a claim on him? But now probably got turned on by P fighting back. Honestly though we know so little about the background so far. Wish they weren't dosing out the information like it was precious diamond dust lol.
Ouch, this is embarrassing. MDL should really have a way to track your comments. I noticed while writing that you've seen this 4 years ago and decided not to bother you. I've no idea how I managed to post that rambling thing before exiting the page 🤦🤦🤦 But thank you so much for replying<3 I guess negativity explains most of the situations I was wondering about. Feel like my brain trolled me a little. Anyway sorry for the ramble attack;)
In erotic drama/book? Not at all. A lot of people have fantasies involving nonconsensual scenarios and that's…
Lol online stuff comes with its own set of challenges. Oh these tags look so disturbing ! but also kinda hot... Ups there's also that pesky 'dead dove: do not eat' tag... I better not read. Ok, maybe just a few pages.. Self-destruction is written into the human nature lol.
In erotic drama/book? Not at all. A lot of people have fantasies involving nonconsensual scenarios and that's…
I think getting triggered a few times while you're figuring out what works for you is almost like a rite of passage;) At least erotica is usually much better tagged compared to mainstream.
I don't get why no one talked/was concerned about what was P flying high on? First thing I'd do was call a doctor.…
Excuse me while I die laughing at your third scenarioXD I wish I'd have thought that! Aya this brain! Always jumping to the worst conclusions.
I know, even while I was writing that last part I was slightly disagreeing with myself. I guess I felt it started so playful and seductive, and seemed like P wanted to get closer to K maybe, so I thought it was gonna go slower. But I'll stop projecting now lol. Still, if that was fighting turned sex scene, then the rawness would've fit better. I wish they'd explained the kissing bit, cause it can be anything. I met people who are grossed out by saliva. Haha! I wasn't clenching for P cause I read too much danmei and I've become immune. In some of them self-lubing entrances are a thing;)) That's why I think this scene would've worked better as their 23rd time - we could assume P prepared himself.
I'm not sure what happens with VxP cause I didn't read the book. Just know there's kidnapping and pain/impact play involved. Well, Pete having a mile long masochistic streak with a long list of kinks, would probably be one way to make it work? But I have zero expectations of that:) Guess let's wait and see.
Legit question, no judgment, do people just not care about consensual sexual sex?
In erotic drama/book? Not at all. A lot of people have fantasies involving nonconsensual scenarios and that's one safe place to explore those. In a show like let's say 2019 'Unbelievable'? Very very much.
I dropped this last week but my friend sent me screenshots of Vegas lol. Finally there's the cinematic quality…
I don't get why no one talked/was concerned about what was P flying high on? First thing I'd do was call a doctor. At least get the guys to go after the bartender - they could just call kinn with the info about the drug, it'd have taken 10s screen time and made the situation much less ambiguous. I know it's fantasy but details make good storytelling:) Like I don't get why they only revealed Kinns aversion to kissing this week. If we knew about it last week that kiss on the pier would've had so much more impact. On that note, I have to assume there were some time skips, cause they really should've at least suggested P brushed his teeth. Even though I know Kinn's reaction had to do with his dislike of kissing, I can't control my thought patterns - when they kissed and Kinn made that face - I was like ewww vomit sharing…
I also was surprised they went from that playful beginning to penetrative sex so quickly. For one it's the first time with a man, plus he's under influence, the other finally got his hands on the guy he was lusting after for weeks. I'd assume they'd take their time enjoying some other fun things first. But maybe that's just me projecting lol.
I dropped this last week but my friend sent me screenshots of Vegas lol. Finally there's the cinematic quality from the trailer! They still take a rather leisurely stroll with the plot, though Kim's intro was interesting. I think letting go of expectations is the way to enjoy this series. I'm probably in the minority that hoped Vegas would've gone much further… Though that last scene did whet my appetite a little. The bathroom scene started so fun and playful. Porsche was so disarming that he'd probably crumble my will too, though I don't really find him attractive;) But I totally get his fascination with Kinn's chest, because wow! The rest of the scene… I think it could've flowed better - I'll put my unpopular opinion under spoiler:)
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came back after a while. So happy ending seems perfectly possible to me too:) The last few minutes was just really a lot of contrived melodrama.
https://youtu.be/opwVWlRNqeI
Basking in the sun and Hei laoshi facepalming hard;) https://twitter.com/mmuk021/status/1389195528374689792
Day 2 shipping
https://mobile.twitter.com/lldszd/status/1389849275870310403
VohDoh concert crack
https://youtu.be/58NQ6Lv9528
'Bu man ni shuo' comedy skit
https://twitter.com/xiaobabiiwawa/status/1389671360713007105?s=03
Family singing compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4E8kd-kBdw
Legendary day1 performance singalong
https://youtu.be/Y6QfCe5G3-U
It was good to have you this Spring! Wo yong yuan dou zai...
https://twitter.com/littlejadebear/status/1520287607280009218?t=tiAb4vZdf8d5NcVTlIMkYg&s=19
得君为友，不枉此生💕
https://youtu.be/YfvVNpceIxY
Post concert depression:D
https://twitter.com/cocopines/status/1391070348997632003?s=21
I almost rolled off a mountain, I was laughing so hard re R Graves's penis. I wish we were sitting in a pub somewhere to talk this out;) I think his gorgeous full frontal made it into the cinema version of both Maurice and a room with a view. I love that the 80s were so unapologetic about this stuff. Remember how J. Ivory was dissing 'Call me by your name' in one of the interviews for zooming into a tree at intimate scene and no nudity. He was like wth! They just had sex, they should be naked lol.
Also, circumcision is pretty rare in Europe I think. I'm not sure if there's even one country that has the policy of newborns circumcision. I'd say he's the norm. Also, wasn't S. Korea famous for having super high circumcision rate? Plus, muslim majority states I'm sure are high on that list too. You've got choices;) I prefer my men well build, so to me central Asia is like a land filled with wild beauty;))
Sorry, I watched ep4 on my phone in low res cause I'm hiking. I thought P left a mark when he headbutted V, cause V kept stroking his chin in front of that mirror. Like a true villain lol.
OFFTOPIC
I just remembered we talked about dead ringers on the 'not me' thread;) I meant to write back that there's a fan edited version of Maurice with all the deleted scenes. The confrontation at the end should've never been cut. I found this in a quick search but I'm sure there's another version without embedded Viet subs somewhere.
https://youtu.be/l5ALMylyrJ8
I thought he was just admiring and getting turned on by the mark P left on his chin. How much more interesting and sinister it'd be, if they showed us a blurry image of a naked body in bed or chained to a cross in the background:) We could assume he's naked cause he's in the middle ofrelieving himself by giving vent to his feelings;)
"And while we can say everyone here can separate reality from fiction. I highly doubt that's possible. You might be affected by it subconsciously, in a way you won't realize. It's harmful."
If we were talking about mainstream media smuggling in harmful tropes/stereotypes, that can be internalised by the viewers and perpetuate undesirable behaviours, I'd agree. But for a bl show that's based on erotica involving non-con, that's clearly established itself as sth from a fantasyland in ep2, and is at least in theory aimed at titillating mature audiences? Imo you've both overstating its impact on the psyche and people who watch it know very well what they're coming for.
In the context of MDL, this thread is so spammy and repetitive, I think anyone visiting at any time of the week would learn quickly there's gonna be at least dub-con between the main pair and can proceed at their own risk.
Personally, I think slightly dark-themed shows like this, containing erotic but not graphic content, are a pretty safe way for people to explore their fantasies involving dub-con/non-con. Having said that, I didn't like the way that scene flowed either. I'd prefer it if Porsche sobered up, except I'd wish he did that by having a longer pleasure-pain session with Vegas;)
Anyway, let's wait for the fallout - that'll be what establishes their dynamic for me. I generally prefer wholesome relationships at the center of a story, but if this show goes in a different direction, I'll accept it. I consider myself forewarned.
Those trailers are perfect bait. I honestly still don't get why they went for this weird mix of sitcomy humour with a crime setting. I guess they know their audience? I agree completely - I've had a hard time letting go of the more serious P too. I thought those two would go together into danger and battle it out between themselves, then it's gonna overflow into sex. But I'm already in the acceptance stage;) trying to get to know those two without preconceptions.
That tray scene was actually really funny! I thought V kidnapped P because of some rivalry with Kinn, who's staked a claim on him? But now probably got turned on by P fighting back. Honestly though we know so little about the background so far. Wish they weren't dosing out the information like it was precious diamond dust lol.
But thank you so much for replying<3 I guess negativity explains most of the situations I was wondering about. Feel like my brain trolled me a little. Anyway sorry for the ramble attack;)
I know, even while I was writing that last part I was slightly disagreeing with myself. I guess I felt it started so playful and seductive, and seemed like P wanted to get closer to K maybe, so I thought it was gonna go slower. But I'll stop projecting now lol. Still, if that was fighting turned sex scene, then the rawness would've fit better. I wish they'd explained the kissing bit, cause it can be anything. I met people who are grossed out by saliva.
Haha! I wasn't clenching for P cause I read too much danmei and I've become immune. In some of them self-lubing entrances are a thing;)) That's why I think this scene would've worked better as their 23rd time - we could assume P prepared himself.
I'm not sure what happens with VxP cause I didn't read the book. Just know there's kidnapping and pain/impact play involved. Well, Pete having a mile long masochistic streak with a long list of kinks, would probably be one way to make it work? But I have zero expectations of that:) Guess let's wait and see.
I know it's fantasy but details make good storytelling:) Like I don't get why they only revealed Kinns aversion to kissing this week. If we knew about it last week that kiss on the pier would've had so much more impact.
On that note, I have to assume there were some time skips, cause they really should've at least suggested P brushed his teeth. Even though I know Kinn's reaction had to do with his dislike of kissing, I can't control my thought patterns - when they kissed and Kinn made that face - I was like ewww vomit sharing…
I also was surprised they went from that playful beginning to penetrative sex so quickly. For one it's the first time with a man, plus he's under influence, the other finally got his hands on the guy he was lusting after for weeks. I'd assume they'd take their time enjoying some other fun things first. But maybe that's just me projecting lol.