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Oh, really? Well, perhaps in life and death fight Wen Ke Xing is the best compared to other characters because the instinct ingrained in him. I hope we will have good fight in the final arc.

Exactly my thought when I read the novel. The novel plot more or less is revolving around Wen Ke Xing revenge. Zhao Zhi Su is just like "go with the flow" kind of character in the novel.

But, the people who dislike how the drama put more importance to Wen Ke Xing plot, call themselves as novel reader. I .... kind of confused and then just resigning myself that perhaps I am the one who are biased because I read the novel after watch the drama.

Noooo!! I am still at work. I need to wait 3 hours for being able to watch the new release!!! Is it the white hairpin that Wen Ke Xing usually wearing?

I really hope they will choose a real actor and not just idol because of traffic. WoH is the proof that a drama can be successful without having to depend on fans brought by idol. There are lots of handsome actor out there with a real acting skill.

They are stranger by the time of Mirror Lake extermination. But, the action of Cheng Ling toward Wen Ke Xing is after they know each other. The weight is different. He could hate Wen Ke Xing, but to just directly ask for his blood while knowing that his father more or less had blood debt toward Wen Ke Xing, in my opinion just an arrogance that his family can do to others but other can never do anything toward his family. This is my opinion of course, and I very well know this kind of ideal thought will be difficult to be done in real life. Still, since this is my principal, I dislike Cheng Ling character here.

Zhang Cheng Ling action for certain is can be understood, from his POV. But, for Zhao Zhi Su to act like nothing and still treat him the same is impossible. The second Cheng Ling chooses to kill Wen Ke Xing, he must be ready to give up any relationship with Zhao Zhi Su as well. Zhao Zhi Su might be understanding and not kill him in return but to still act as master and disciple? No way. In ancient time, the relationship between master and disciple is as close as father and son. There is just no way that Zhao Zhi Su can act intimate again with Cheng Ling. The shadow of Wen Ke Xing blood will always stand between them.

Thankfully Wen Ke Xing survives in the end. If not, then Cheng Ling will bore the guilt for his entire live after knowing the truth. In my opinion, Cheng Ling is too rash and in his naivety just easily trust people. The fact that Zhao Jing colludes with Scorpion King should warn him to beware toward that man.

Despite understanding his reasoning, if I was Zhao Zhi Su, I don't think I would be able to look Cheng Ling the same again after this. Cheng Ling is just too pure and naive. I think he still cannot comprehend the sin five lake alliance toward Wen Ke Xing family.

Hahahahahaha!! I am keeping Thousand Autumns (both donghua and novel) for later read and watch. At least I have something to take my mind away from WoH after it ends.

Based on lots of trailer and tidbits I have watched, Wen Ke Xing will be presumed dead and Zhao Zhi Su will more or less loss his will to live. I cannot wait to see how Cheng Ling will face his master later on after his action here. Especially after he knows that Zhao Jing is the real culprit.

Make a grave mistake by watching this while I am still at work .....
The trailer now gives me such uncomfortable feeling .... I hope today 4 episodes will not leave us hanging with Wen Ke Xing fall down to cliff.

Pretty much agree with your assessment here. The Untamed bored me in the middle (and I was someone who was familiar with the novel and liking it) unfortunately. And the acting quality is the major difference in my opinion. I have no qualms toward people who are satisfied with The Untamed acting, but I found the acting was quite lacking.

The problem is the novel Zhao Zhi Su does not really have any aims either, as I read it. The plot is more or less driven by Wen Ke Xing revenge stratagem. The drama already adds something about Window of Heaven and the relationship between Zhao Zhi Su and Prince Jin. In the novel, as far as I remember, there is no mention of Window of Heaven ever take action in the story period.

Ummm, since I have only read the novel after start watching the drama, I might be biased in my view. The shixiong-shidi is not bothered me that much for now. But I do agree with you regarding Zhao Zhi Su characterization. I think the core problem is that as a character the current Zhao Zhi Su paled compared with Wen Ke Xing. Meaning that the aura is lacking.

From the very start when I watch this drama, I feel there are discrepancy in Zhao Zhi Su characterization before and after he takes off his mask. And the pace of him mellowing is too abrupt. Different with Wen Ke Xing; from the beginning until now, he is still that crazy fellow with childlike naivety in cruelty. His mellowing does not change his craziness, but just because we finally see he opens up to Zhao Zhi Su on what is truly lie beneath that facade. Therefore, Wen Ke Xing character looks more grounded than Zhao Zhi Su.

This is an interesting addition by the drama. I hope the drama will take this further instead of just let it stand without follow up.

Agreed with you here. I think the relationship started to change in episode 11/12 when Zhao Zhi Su chose to open his identity "first" in the hope that someday Wen Ke Xing would follow suit. The shixiong-shidi is only the drama way to evade censorship when they add holding hands, hugging, and any other intimate gesture in the future.

Currently, the flavor of the relationship is in angst period. It is the moment when Wen Ke Xing will finally lay himself bare in front of Zhao Zhu Si. I love it when Zhao Zhi Su become so protective toward Wen Ke Xing. This man has grown up alone without anyone to depend on and protect him. He needs lots of love to be able to heal.

That kind of blind obsession will not give anything of value to their idol in the end. As of now, more and more neutral drama watchers in China are annoyed toward traffic actor and their fans (not to mention after the scandal of 227 last year).

I also failed to finish Legend of Fei. The characters failed to interest me and I found Zhao Li Ying acting to be too stiff. I am no fan of both lead so I had no drive to continue on. And the Winner is Love, I also failed to finish until today since the story became boring nearing the end.

For adaptation, changing characterization is a big taboo. DC unfortunately crossed the line too far, no matter the reason. Not to mention, that the drama practically butchered the logic behind cultivation system (like what Fight Break Sphere has also done). That also big no no for xuanhuan genre which prided itself its "scientific logic" of the cultivation system.

What drama only fans need to understand that all novel fans have desire to see how their beloved character be portrayed in real life. One thing that live adaptation wins absolutely compared with animation or books is that living human can portray the emotion the best. A simple description in the book or stiff expression in animation could never be compared with a true interpretation by real human. All book fans wish the adaptation to do well. So, in DC thread, I took those comments that told us original fans to return to our book and anime as very harsh and cruel. Here, in WoH, I am now a drama fans. Even though I did read the book, but I read it after watching the drama, so my mind should be rather biased. It is my turn now to be respectful toward the original fans.

As far as I can see it, even though there are some unsatisfactory toward shixiong-shidi development, the majority of book fans are more or less accepting this adaptation which is good for me. In my opinion, after reading the book, the drama weaken both leads even though the core personality is still the same. But, in return, the drama enhance the emotional portion of the story. So far, the emotional troupe in the drama is very good. Having a more human Zhao Zhi Su and Wen Ke Xing is not too bad .....

DC is the only place where I see drama and actor fans dissing the original fans. I have never experienced such thing, even when I roasted Fight Break Sphere as an abomination of adaptation. Usually, drama fans are quite respectful toward original fans opinion and often asking for spoiler of explanation of certain things (which original fans will always happily oblige). We see it happens here, where lots of us asking those who have read the novel to spoil and to explain things. I don't understand what happened with DC, perhaps it has something to do with the traffic actor it has. Sigh......

I did finish watching DC, but with literally skipping like ten episodes near the end. I could not tolerate that drama any longer. Watching it felt like a chore for me. Regarding whether you should continue on DC, it depends whether you like this genre (xuanhuan). It is an average drama in my opinion but it will be quite enjoyable for those who are not familiar with the original. But since you said that you put it on hold in such early episodes, I think the drama perhaps is not your cup of tea.

I am just done watching WoH until episode 25 raw. This drama just getting more interesting. I love the character dynamic and how mature the storyline is. It is no masterpiece like Jin Yong works, but certainly I enjoying this much more than any recent wuxia drama (The Legend of Fei; And the Winner is Love).

Ah, I see. Anyway, I am glad you can see the problem in bringing The Untamed name in other BL drama discussion. Well, the current situation is quite bad but I do feel that The Untamed stan just has gone too far, which kind of conditioning other people to react negatively every time The Untamed is brought up as comparison.

I hope you will enjoy Word of Honor, then. There will also be quite a number of BL dramas come out this year.

There is not even an assurance that Immortality will do well. I hope it will though, since I love the novel very much.

Also, by April, WoH will already enter its final phase which will interest the audiences. Character wise, in my opinion, watching Wen Ke Xing redemption will be far interesting than watching the early phase of Moran and Chu Wan Ning.

Truthfully, I cannot differentiate whether those The Untamed stan loves the drama for the story or because of the actors. Because I feel that they are far too obsessive, as if there should be no drama dare to be better than The Untamed.

Regarding DC, yeah, I was the one who created that special discussion thread. I just could not take it any longer with drama fans and actor fans. All their condescending words towards original fans just make me straight mad. I have tried to make them understand but my explanation fell to deaf ears. So I chose to not talking to them any longer. Thankfully, here the original fans and drama fans are respecting one another, as it should be. In my opinion the insight from those who are already familiar with the original in an adaptation discussion is quite important.

Now, lets talk about WoH. One thing that make me love WoH is the mature character. I no longer have patient to watch story about emo teenager moving through phases, as I become older. Both Zhao Zi Su and Wen Ke Xing are adult that are aware of their life choices. They are fully responsible for their own sin and they have to will themselves for their redemption.

I understand your point of view of bringing The Untamed into comparison. And in normal situation, this will be acceptable. The problem is, The Untamed fans (or perhaps calling them stan will be more suitable), has wreaked havoc before under other BL dramas section, which annoyed lots of people. I say that these people had done disservice to their own favorite drama.

I, too, have watched The Untamed and thought that it was okay. But even then, I can no longer stand those who always bring up The Untamed in every BL drama discussion. It is as if they wish that all BL drama else than The Untamed will be failed.

I think it is just because people have been long annoyed toward The Untamed stan that an honest and simple comparison will be seen more critically.

Finally someone say it! I can understand why certain people so are so enamored with The Untamed but their attitude of thinking that "nothing will ever top The Untamed" is so annoying. It is as if that The Untamed is the best BL drama that ever be made, which is not. There are people out there who don't really like that drama. I myself preferring Word of Honor because I like the acting better here. Not to mention Wen Ke Xing character that bordering antagonist is very much to my taste.

To be fair though, the comments from The Untamed fans here are still acceptable which is why I stay silent. I have seen what their comments under Immortality drama videos in YouTube; those were not pretty at all. But, overally I agree with you. It is time for people to stop quoting The Untamed in every BL drama that comes out after it.