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Yeah, for some reason, the phone holder and only the phone holder retains actual memories even while gaining the new ones. That was never really explained. Past ML got new memories every time they changed the present, while keeping the originals. Present got new memories when future changed his present while keeping the originals. Everyone else around just immediately only knows/remembers whatever happened in futures timeline

As for the Xi's involvement, I don't really have an answer for you lol. That wasn't explained at all because only past and present MLs knew of the involvement and it never showed any conversations to future ML. Future ML has no idea about the phone, so it couldn't have been a tip off from the future. The only conversation on the phone in the ending time line was present ML telling future* FL to put the phone in the apartment, and she didn't even know about the time paradox. So I just explained it away to myself that it was in the evidence future FL gave future ML. It's nonsensical, but the only thing that really fits given what we were shown.

This should have been a couple episodes longer I think. There wasn't much more to show, but they rushed to fit everything into the last 40 or so minutes and caused quite a few plot holes while the rest of the show did a decent job avoiding them

Finished it.

They definitely did the thing, and I am actually annoyed by it. Why ruin a character that was good for 80% of the show? Bleh

Can someone explain the censor thing? What did China censor? I thought the ending was understandable and am really confused on all the comments about censorship lol

It wasn't entirely clear, but I think the ending was actually present ML and future FL that were married. Present ML decided not to try and alter events again, since he saw that still ended with FL dying, so he completely took the phone out of the equation by having future her leave it and get out of town, while also giving over the evidence. He knew that future ML would take that evidence and run with it, since it was literally him in the past, but now future FL is in France oblivious to everything and due to the evidence, knows the Xi's are a part of it as well so all threats to her are gone.

A year later, she comes back and once present ML finds out, uses his knowledge of present FL (the B&B thing) to find her (future FL). Knowing what he does from his multiple f ups courting her, he gets straight to the point of the fact that he is GuGu, which drastically expedited their relationship since any version of both ML and FL were already stupid in love with the other.

It showed that their memories changed depending on what they changed in the past, so present ML got future ML to get rid of the enemies while keeping future FL safe.

I took it as the year inside the phone's influence is a bubble. Since he waited for future ML to take care of everything. Once complete, he got rid of the phone, which popped the bubble and caused all other versions to disappear. Final outcome being present ML with future FL, he just remembers their dating phase while she doesn't. Her dreams are probably the cause of some type of fate. She dreamed what she was supposed to go through, but didn't since present ML saved her

Good point. They definitely should have skipped the right turn conversation imo.

She also got over her fear of driving an expensive car though. I can't remember for sure, but I think the scene you are talking about was referring to the G-Wagon that she didn't want to drive. She later drove the G-Wagon, and that SUV is damn near just as expensive as the Ferrari she was in when they wrecked.

It seems to me that the writer came up with the line for future ML to say to present ML without FL knowing, and put in a badly done scene to make that one line make sense

Plot hole in ep 14. She knows how to drive, and there was nothing shown about her being a bad driver, except the horrible parallel parking job when she took the bird to the vet. So why are they now acting like he is teaching her to drive like he taught her how to swim? She's already a licensed driver...

Watching ep 14 now, and I'm kinda annoyed at the direction it seems they are taking now. Up to this point, it has been the only drama I watched where the 2FL is a love interest to the ML, but is actually a decent person. Like yeah, she tries to steal away the ML, but she is open about it and doesn't resort to underhanded tactics or even treats the FL poorly. Just a flat out I like him too and I am planning on competing. She even gave up gracefully there for a while and attempted to save the ML by betraying her father. Now, all of a sudden, it seems that they are making her the antagonist of the final 3 1/2 episodes and wish they would be going a different way with it. Give us a 2nd lead love interest that isn't a pure POS just once, please. You were almost there with this one

sadly, you can start a post like this with THIS IS SARCASM! and people will still take it literally. Even posts as obvious as this one

I think you might have misunderstood me. I don't have issues with translation explanations, especially when it is more accurate to the source material to use wording that wouldn't make sense without them. I just know on viki I've personally seen translator notes that explain a phrase or idiom that already make sense even without prior drama or language knowledge and take up half the screen and think the edits should also remove those, not just condense the dialogue portion

on that note though, I prefer viki subs over the half assed subs netflix gives us. their subs suck even on originally english content

It's on the list, currently working through a backlog lol. But thanks for the reccomendation <3

I just wrote A LOT and accidentally hit cancel instead of post lol.

Major points
I agree it isn't MDL's fault
Japan freely gives us anime, I wish they would give more live action as well.
It's almost impossible to recommend a JDrama because asking someone to join a discord, fill out a form, etc to watch a show is a lot
There's still a lot of KDramas coming out, even on major OTTs, that are good
Viki is Japanese owned, so they could use that explicitly to avoid Western influence on their art
Fan subbers are the heroes we need, but don't deserve and I love all of them

The son he had no clue existed? There was 0 mention of her being pregnant, and barely any mention of them being that intimate. If it wasn't for the son, you could have a plausible argument that they never slept together (it's obvious they did, even without the son. I'm saying you could make that argument)

yes and no on moving along the wall. He could have for sure, but he was pretty centered on the wall, and it was pretty long. The more he inched towards the edge, the more the weight would have shifted making it harder to hold up, which was probably already difficult to begin with, until he literally couldn't hold it up and it would have ended all 3 of them

Omukae Shibuya-kun is a JDrama that is way better than I expected it to be. I agree though that usually there's always at least one KDrama airing that has me hooked, and at the moment there isnt one. If you haven't watched Amidst a Snowstorm of Love like lilili said, it was really really good. Probably top 3 of CDramas that I've watched ever

Da-Hae and her uncle were the only ones that really had a heart of gold out of the scammers imo. And Da-Hae really only did the scams because she was desperate for a family and they provided a (at first) pseudo family for her, she wanted out from episode 1. Her mom never really fully changed i don't think, but losing Da-Hae in the fake accident caused her to rethink her priorities because she was devastated over the loss and realized that she loved Da Hae as a daughter. The uncle from the start was just a giant teddy bear that would do whatever the people he loved asked so he never changed. Grace only became softer when she started to shift from targeting Dong-Hee to the frenemy stage, then gradually started liking Dong-Hee more and more.

I fully believe that Grace wouldn't have helped Da-Hae in the end, even with scammer mom asking, if it wasn't for the fact that it was to save Dong-Hee. She was fighting herself and her insincts because she liked Dong-Hee and the verbal sparring with her that turned into true friendship.

I took it as he can grab things from a specific time and place. As long as he knows them. I am sure he knows exactly when and where his dad died because I am sure that was a common topic in that house after the fact. He also never said he went back to retrieve the ball, he said he grabbed it from when he remembered having it, so I don't think he actually goes back in time at all, he can just manipulate items from the past and bring them to the present

If you like shows like this, I recommend a movie called predestination. It is a crazy story from start to finish and has the same time travel paradox where everything is set in stone and it's basically like Earth/each dimension is just a little behind the one we see

The only truth at present times is Da-Haes past. Since she was saved in her timeline, she is alive and well. If, at a future point Gwi-Ju either doesn't go back to save her or fails to save her, she would just disappear.

However, since she is alive, that means that she was saved. I thought the show did a pretty good job showing that he can not effect the past and his mother can not effect the future. What they see happen(s)/(ed). Da-Hae even explained it in the drama, what she sees happening in the future will happen no matter what. The circumstances and outcome however, which Grandma doesn't actually see, can be changed. Like the thing she saw at Dong-Hee's new house. That could have originally been between Dong-Hee and the shitbags side piece, but since she saw it and Da-Hae changed the outcome, it became Dong-Hee and Grace revelling in their flight. Hair still messed up, window broken and apartment in disarray like there was a fight, but it was a joyous occasion .

The one thing they didn't really explain is the scene where Gwi-Ju got the rash. Him seeing the whole world in color definitely fixed my issues with him dying in the fire, but it was also the only scene in the past where Da-Hae didn't see/notice him. There is no way she wouldn't have noticed someone holding her bike like that

It's the first show I've seen with Chun Woo-Hee, but that girl can act imo. I put a lot of her shows on my list and will definitely be watching more of her in the future

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