Effie_Joon

I feel exactly the same, like once Sammy’s ends I’ll go through the same emptiness I felt after TMS. After Friday I probably won’t find another series that truly fills that gap again. Not anytime soon at least. And honestly it might be even worse this time since we won’t even get the full story of Chusan and Liu Yi 😔
The only thing that makes me feel a little better is knowing we’ll soon get the TMS special episode 🥰

Haha, right? I guess they're gonna toned him down a lot in the series.

He was responsible for his mother’s death, left his brother nearly crippled, kept him locked in his house, and abused him for weeks. At one point, he even brought his son over just to make him watch him assault his father. And there’s a lot more, those are just the worst things I remember from the novel. So what do you think of Fan Xiao now? 😂

If you want, I can put it in a spoiler.

So excited 💛💛💛
Fan Xiao is like a little lamb compared to Lu Feng 😂

I think it actually covers a bit more, maybe around 1/3, since we’ve already seen some events that happen later in the novel. I really hope you’re right. I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but I just can’t help it. It would be such a shame to leave this little gem unfinished 😔

They already toned him down in the series. I don’t see him as a red flag in the novel either. Chusan is sneakier than Liuyi, both in the series and the novel.

Someone had to say it!

https://futiledevices.blog/chusans-liuyi-childrens-day/
The translation here is pretty decent, it's not official though, you could give it a try 😊

Same thing, since you haven't watched the series...

You just can’t go without having the last word, can you? Alright, I’ll do you a favor, haha! Write whatever else you want, I’m not going to reply to you again, hopefully that makes you feel better 😁

I don’t care what that person does, I wasn’t even arguing with them in the first place, just stating my view. And the fact that they label a series as homophobic without even having watched it, based on such weak arguments, and completely ignore the dozens of points we made that directly challenge their one dimensional view, just shows how narrow minded they are.

Right, because clearly the only possible interpretation of what I said is that the majority is always right and deeply enlightened. That’s definitely the most sophisticated reading you could have gone with.
And of course, bringing up politics is the perfect shortcut when the actual point isn’t convenient to engage with. Very original, very nuanced.
As for your “shots,” don’t worry, they didn’t land. They just explained you a bit more than you probably intended.

Please, you’re the last person to talk about taste and discernment. You said it yourself in previous comment, you’re in the minority, thankfully. You just like taking shots at anyone who disagrees with you like a middle schooler, which honestly you might be, I don’t know, without offering any real arguments. At least, luckily for me, I can see the bigger picture and listen to different opinions without mocking and insulting people.

I'm enjoying it, thank you very much. I hope you'll find something to enjoy too, even if it's hard for that mindset of yours

You're really funny, seriously 🤣

I think I did respond to everything you said, but it seems like you’re the one who doesn’t want to hear other perspectives and is sticking rigidly to your own.
The fact that you’re making broad conclusions about shows you haven’t even watched makes you the one who is stubbornly unwilling to consider other viewpoints.
Anyway, I think we’ve said enough. Good night, or good morning, whatever it is where you are.

I did read what you wrote, and I get the point you’re trying to make, but I still don’t think the conclusion really holds up.
First, the idea that this kind of slow build or delayed physical affection only exists in gay stories isn’t accurate. There are plenty of straight romances, especially in certain industries or markets, where relationships take many episodes to reach even a first kiss. It’s often a matter of tone, audience, censorship rules, or just a preference for slow burn storytelling, not necessarily something rooted in the nature of the relationship itself.
Second, I think you’re attributing intent where there isn’t always evidence for it. Saying that these portrayals exist because “gay relationships are seen as too nasty to show openly” is a strong claim, and while that may have been true in some contexts historically, it doesn’t automatically apply to every modern series that uses a softer or more restrained approach. Sometimes it’s just a stylistic choice or a limitation of the production environment, especially in regions where all romance, not just queer romance, is toned down.
Also, infantilization would imply that the characters or their relationship are being treated as inherently childish, but light humor, awkwardness, or physical comedy aren’t exclusive to BL or queer storytelling. Those elements show up all the time in straight romcoms too without being interpreted as degrading the relationship itself.
And finally, I think it’s a bit unfair to generalize based on a subset of shows, especially if you haven’t watched how a specific story develops. Some series do stay in that “in-between” space, sure, but others do move forward in meaningful ways, just on a different timeline.
So I completely understand why that trope doesn’t work for you, but calling it inherently homophobic feels like an overreach to me.

Honestly, I don’t really understand what exactly you find “homophobic.” It’s totally valid and understandable that you don’t like this approach and don’t have the patience for shows with these kinds of tropes, but calling it homophobic just doesn’t make sense. Especially when you haven’t actually watched it, so you can’t really know how the story and characters develop. Unless the word “homophobia” means something else that I’m not aware of, I don’t know what to say.
Also, this trope shows up in tons of straight series too, let’s be real, so that’s another reason why your argument doesn’t really add up to me.

My thoughts exactly