True but many persons lack sympathy for Mo because when she confessed to Kam that Sek actually loved him instead…
It's not black or white. She was used, and she used and plotted and lied in return. She made choices that were not forced upon her.
However, Sek could have assured her she would be provided with from regular proceeds from the orchard; he could have put that in writing legally too. A lot of these characters made bad choices...like real people do.
The worst choice Satur made was not to pull the mother's written hand-over of the property to Mo off the wall and throw it in the fire pit right in front of her.
This is the same director as ITSAY… No wonder it was amazing from cinematography down to acting.
oh my gosh, thanks for pointing that out. I did not know. So THIS is what he's been doing since IPYTM. Those two shows are near the top of my best BLs list. In a class of their own, especially compared to most of the crap BLs that come out of Thailand regularly.
First of all the chemistry between Keng and Jeff THEY WERE INSANE!! Their chemistry was sooo great and would not…
I agree that the chemistry is there, but unfortunately, I feel his character is way underdeveloped. I don't know much about him or what he was like other than how he interacted with Satur.
You can’t really hate Mo. And I hate that fact. You can understand her character and her decisions but it will…
I don't agree that she "lost ten years of her life." She was taken care of and provided for. Furthermore, she spent ten years plotting to help her "husband" screw over his "husband," so it's a bit much to feel sorry for her.
Looking at the comments here and discussions online, I'm so heartbroken that a lot of ppl say that Mo deserved…
Oh please. Yes, I get where her bitterness and envy came from, but all she had to do was take care of the mom, be a decent person, and ask Satur's character for help. He would have given it to her in a heartbeat, especially after he fell in love with her brother. But the mom and she were out to take the orchard ALL for themselves from the moment they saw it, cutting out Satur's character cold after five years and all his money. She chose evil and karma kicked her ass.
In truth, I had mixed feelings toward her, given the extreme poverty of her origins and I'm OK with that. I think a thinking person is intended to have mixed feelings about her. That's part of the movie's message
People who don't like to think much and prefer to pretend the universe exists in black and white are the ones who leave comments like the ones that annoyed you. Ignore them. They're far too numerous on MDL to bother with.
Give Jeff Satur an Oscar NOW. Best gay-themed (although there were many other important themes here too) flick out of Thailand since "Bangkok Love Story," and far better than that one.
I was gripped from start to finish. First-rate production values across the board. A few slight plausibility issues, but nothing that is going to prevent me giving this a high rating. Satur is a fantastic, natural, instinctive actor who along with his singing career, appears to be out to save the Thai entertainment industry singlehandedly. The FL is a very good actor, but sorry, I couldn't stop staring at her nose job and collagen trout mouth.
Overall, the way this started, then built and built and built on jealousy, envy, poverty, desperation, mendacity, and more and then exploded into a film noir carnival of madness near the end was fantastic and reminds me of something out of Hollywood 1940s melodramas. This is not a negative criticism. I loved it.
Two minor quibbles: A bit more time showing the original couple's life together would have made all that was to come all the more powerful and shocking. I'd like to have seen more character development and background regarding Mo's brother.
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Hey there! Have you heard of or seen the new Thai movie "The Paradise of Thorns?" I am watching it right now but took a break to pee about 2/3 of the way through and thought I'd tip you off. It's the best gay film out of Thailand since "Bangkok Love Story," unless I'm forgetting another one.
Jeff Satur is going to singlehandedly save the Thai entertainment industry. He is superb in the lead role. Its production values, script, score, pretty much everything is of a caliber I'm not sure I've seen in a gay Thai film before. It has an MDL page.
You can watch it at the link below this comment. Enjoy!
You've got a lot of anger and condemnatory, vicious words and yet...and yet...still no links to facts showing that TOP or Seungri were ever charged, tried, or convicted of sexual assault. And those links won't be forthcoming because you are a LYING LIAR.
Do you have to clean yourself up after writing each one of these hilarious rants? Does doing so provide stimulus...down there?
sometimes the biggest enemy of women is another woman who supports and encourages bad behaviour like tops. thank…
hahahaha...still waiting for links to the information proving that Seungri or TOP were ever charged, tried, or convicted of any form of sexual assault at all. Come on, put aside your embarrassing, hysterical, I am woman hear me roar bullshit and provide some facts to back up what you say.
One fact is that you're not interested in facts, but only in rubbing yourself while pretending to imagine the crimes the people you trash have committed only in your fevered, sick imagination.
sometimes the biggest enemy of women is another woman who supports and encourages bad behaviour like tops. thank…
hahahaha...what a poser. You think you're a radical resister of predators and rapists or something, but you're merely a self-righteous, sex-phobic fangirl getting off on her imagined moral superiority.
I'm not going to argue with you because you're a dolt. However, I am going to point out that once again you have thrown around the words "predator," "abusers," and "rapists" without specifying who you're talking about and what specific charges you're alleging. You're doing that because your far more interested in touching yourself with self-righteous fantasies, than in referencing reality.
I'm a gay male by the way and if anything, I'm the "oppas" to the hot guys you pretend are rapists. Fantasies are standard, harmless thoughts that almost all humans have. Did you know that 67% of women frequently or occasionally fantasize about forced sex of various kinds? No, you didn't know that. It's clear from your Puritanical, masturbatory rant that you don't know much at all.
I wonder what kind of sex fantasies you have but will never admit to...I wonder if Seungri is in any of them. Maybe that's why you're so angry. lol
"Stay Away From Me" is holding up very well these eight years later. Every time I watch it, and I believe this was the third, it moves me more deeply than the last time. Strangely, it didn't make an impression several years ago, but it sure does now. I felt a strong connection between the leads. The fujoshi was cute too, even though she was WAAAAAY out of line with the stunt she pulled. lol It's hard to argue that she didn't bring them together by forcing the issue, though.
I know Duke Wu is supposedly the idol in this story, but it's Edison Song who's more the hottie. Wow, that jawline and strong nose...yum. He's the type that's going to get more and more handsome as he ages.
Stay Away From Me: 9/10 Obsessed: 8.5/10 My Hero: 5/10
Ha Jung Woo is a complete stud and owns this film start to finish. Yao Jin Goo continues to blow me away with each successive film I see him in. He will be a legendary life-long film star. Perhaps most impressive is the acting from all the extras/supporting actors who played passengers and crew. I never saw one second when everyone in a passenger cabin shot was not 100% engaged and in the moment. Phenomenal direction. I also never saw one moment when the CGI did not look 100% real. When the plane was flying you-know-what near the end I nearly shit myself.
I've been aware of this for a few years now, but I love how the film highlighted the plight of SK citizens whose friends or family defect to the North (as rare as that is) and who are then harassed as Commies, or in reverse, that of NKs who defect to the south and are forever labeled Commies and spies. They can't f**king win.
Just incredible/remarkable/stunning, a cinematic achievement of the highest rank. Korean cinema continues to shock me with its excellence. Now if only it could get its cops, netizens, and trash media under control so these people could be free to do their very best work.
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Regarding "See Your Love," are you referring to the shower scene? omg...so hot and...steamy. :) I had goosebumps. I love sex scenes like that where emotion and joy are conveyed along with sexuality. If I recall correctly, Sean and SP both were smiling and laughing in between passionate smooches.
As for "top or bottom," yes I know; it's insane. But also kind of hilarious in its stupidity. When I first started watching BLs it bothered me because I feel it promotes artificially rigid sex roles in gay relationships, as if that's the way it always is, which it's not. 40% of gay men NEVER have butt sex. There are lots of other options.
The other thing that annoys me is the insistence in scripts that bottoming is PAINFUL, always...which is bullshit. If it were always painful, nobody would do it. It is highly pleasurable and otherworldly, but of course, the first few times one has to take it slowly and gently.
About the only thing I was disappointed about in See Your Love was the bit at the end when the side couple woke up after a first night of sex and the younger one specifically said that it was painful. Damn boys, learn how to do it or don't do it at all. What we need is a scene where we actually see and hear the guys do it the first time, and it's taken with love, care, and gentleness. Doesn't have to be explicit to accomplish that. Would be so hot.
I would LOVE to see a BL in which a couple was entirely versatile, or in which the one who mostly tops gives it up to the bottom now and then just out of love and a desire to provide pleasure. That would be incredibly sexy AND romantic.
But almost five years of watching this stuff have left me viewing the bottom/top trope it with amusement and an eye roll rather than anger. Which, again, is why it would be incredibly funny/interesting/hot to see that trope flipped, so to speak. Let's see a bottom refuse to allow access to his mangina until the top does the same for him!
Finally, yes, it's sad how prudish the 25 and under crowd has become over the last few years; very sex-negative, obsessed with judgments about age gaps, non-verbal consent, and all sorts of other sexual matters they judge as "creepy" or "inappropriate." Creepy and inappropriate can be what makes a show dramatic and fascinating, as well as sexy.
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I love your comment. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Rambling often brings out ideas/concepts we otherwise wouldn't get to if we were editing ourselves as we write. Like free associating... :D
My take on Sei and Fuji is that they are in the same situation as the BF of the girl. They once had a physical relationship, but now one has pulled away. I'm totally open to being entirely wrong about this.
If they are just roommates, the exchange in the kitchen about the texting would be super weird and out of place. As a roommate, what concern is it of his who his roomie is texting? And the texter even asked if he wanted him to stop, which is more like a BF question.
The scene in the Thai BL you describe is the type of thing I've been glad to get away from by not watching stuff out of that country. lol I think those scenes are a nod to the sex-phobic, young Western girls who make up a large part of the BL audience. They want their gay boys to be sex drive-free puppies, not human beings.
My understanding is that true Fujoshis, out of Japan, love intense physical passion between their BL characters. Am I wrong?
While I do avoid Thai BLs, I'm open to checking out one that is suggested as worthwhile if it comes along. ALL of the early BLs I discovered five years ago were Thai. Shows like "Love Sick," "Make It Right," "TharnType," "Together With Me," etc. So please let me know if there are any Thai shows you recommend.
Its really a shame he stopped acting/retired too early. So skilled at acting, so handsome. He had so much left…
I have no idea why he stepped away, although I'm about to research to see if I can find out. Being a celebrity in Korea can be a hellish nightmare that has driven many to choose suicide. Maybe he got a little taste of that and got the hell out.
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However, Sek could have assured her she would be provided with from regular proceeds from the orchard; he could have put that in writing legally too. A lot of these characters made bad choices...like real people do.
The worst choice Satur made was not to pull the mother's written hand-over of the property to Mo off the wall and throw it in the fire pit right in front of her.
In truth, I had mixed feelings toward her, given the extreme poverty of her origins and I'm OK with that. I think a thinking person is intended to have mixed feelings about her. That's part of the movie's message
People who don't like to think much and prefer to pretend the universe exists in black and white are the ones who leave comments like the ones that annoyed you. Ignore them. They're far too numerous on MDL to bother with.
Best gay-themed (although there were many other important themes here too) flick out of Thailand since "Bangkok Love Story," and far better than that one.
I was gripped from start to finish.
First-rate production values across the board.
A few slight plausibility issues, but nothing that is going to prevent me giving this a high rating.
Satur is a fantastic, natural, instinctive actor who along with his singing career, appears to be out to save the Thai entertainment industry singlehandedly.
The FL is a very good actor, but sorry, I couldn't stop staring at her nose job and collagen trout mouth.
Overall, the way this started, then built and built and built on jealousy, envy, poverty, desperation, mendacity, and more and then exploded into a film noir carnival of madness near the end was fantastic and reminds me of something out of Hollywood 1940s melodramas. This is not a negative criticism. I loved it.
Two minor quibbles:
A bit more time showing the original couple's life together would have made all that was to come all the more powerful and shocking.
I'd like to have seen more character development and background regarding Mo's brother.
Absolutely highly recommended.
9/10
Jeff Satur is going to singlehandedly save the Thai entertainment industry. He is superb in the lead role. Its production values, script, score, pretty much everything is of a caliber I'm not sure I've seen in a gay Thai film before. It has an MDL page.
You can watch it at the link below this comment. Enjoy!
Do you have to clean yourself up after writing each one of these hilarious rants? Does doing so provide stimulus...down there?
One fact is that you're not interested in facts, but only in rubbing yourself while pretending to imagine the crimes the people you trash have committed only in your fevered, sick imagination.
I'm not going to argue with you because you're a dolt. However, I am going to point out that once again you have thrown around the words "predator," "abusers," and "rapists" without specifying who you're talking about and what specific charges you're alleging. You're doing that because your far more interested in touching yourself with self-righteous fantasies, than in referencing reality.
I'm a gay male by the way and if anything, I'm the "oppas" to the hot guys you pretend are rapists. Fantasies are standard, harmless thoughts that almost all humans have. Did you know that 67% of women frequently or occasionally fantasize about forced sex of various kinds? No, you didn't know that. It's clear from your Puritanical, masturbatory rant that you don't know much at all.
I wonder what kind of sex fantasies you have but will never admit to...I wonder if Seungri is in any of them. Maybe that's why you're so angry. lol
Every time I watch it, and I believe this was the third, it moves me more deeply than the last time.
Strangely, it didn't make an impression several years ago, but it sure does now. I felt a strong connection between the leads. The fujoshi was cute too, even though she was WAAAAAY out of line with the stunt she pulled. lol It's hard to argue that she didn't bring them together by forcing the issue, though.
I know Duke Wu is supposedly the idol in this story, but it's Edison Song who's more the hottie. Wow, that jawline and strong nose...yum. He's the type that's going to get more and more handsome as he ages.
Stay Away From Me: 9/10
Obsessed: 8.5/10
My Hero: 5/10
Ha Jung Woo is a complete stud and owns this film start to finish.
Yao Jin Goo continues to blow me away with each successive film I see him in. He will be a legendary life-long film star.
Perhaps most impressive is the acting from all the extras/supporting actors who played passengers and crew. I never saw one second when everyone in a passenger cabin shot was not 100% engaged and in the moment. Phenomenal direction.
I also never saw one moment when the CGI did not look 100% real. When the plane was flying you-know-what near the end I nearly shit myself.
I've been aware of this for a few years now, but I love how the film highlighted the plight of SK citizens whose friends or family defect to the North (as rare as that is) and who are then harassed as Commies, or in reverse, that of NKs who defect to the south and are forever labeled Commies and spies. They can't f**king win.
Just incredible/remarkable/stunning, a cinematic achievement of the highest rank. Korean cinema continues to shock me with its excellence. Now if only it could get its cops, netizens, and trash media under control so these people could be free to do their very best work.
BRAVO.
10/10
As for "top or bottom," yes I know; it's insane. But also kind of hilarious in its stupidity. When I first started watching BLs it bothered me because I feel it promotes artificially rigid sex roles in gay relationships, as if that's the way it always is, which it's not. 40% of gay men NEVER have butt sex. There are lots of other options.
The other thing that annoys me is the insistence in scripts that bottoming is PAINFUL, always...which is bullshit. If it were always painful, nobody would do it. It is highly pleasurable and otherworldly, but of course, the first few times one has to take it slowly and gently.
About the only thing I was disappointed about in See Your Love was the bit at the end when the side couple woke up after a first night of sex and the younger one specifically said that it was painful. Damn boys, learn how to do it or don't do it at all. What we need is a scene where we actually see and hear the guys do it the first time, and it's taken with love, care, and gentleness. Doesn't have to be explicit to accomplish that. Would be so hot.
I would LOVE to see a BL in which a couple was entirely versatile, or in which the one who mostly tops gives it up to the bottom now and then just out of love and a desire to provide pleasure. That would be incredibly sexy AND romantic.
But almost five years of watching this stuff have left me viewing the bottom/top trope it with amusement and an eye roll rather than anger. Which, again, is why it would be incredibly funny/interesting/hot to see that trope flipped, so to speak. Let's see a bottom refuse to allow access to his mangina until the top does the same for him!
Finally, yes, it's sad how prudish the 25 and under crowd has become over the last few years; very sex-negative, obsessed with judgments about age gaps, non-verbal consent, and all sorts of other sexual matters they judge as "creepy" or "inappropriate." Creepy and inappropriate can be what makes a show dramatic and fascinating, as well as sexy.
My take on Sei and Fuji is that they are in the same situation as the BF of the girl. They once had a physical relationship, but now one has pulled away. I'm totally open to being entirely wrong about this.
If they are just roommates, the exchange in the kitchen about the texting would be super weird and out of place. As a roommate, what concern is it of his who his roomie is texting? And the texter even asked if he wanted him to stop, which is more like a BF question.
The scene in the Thai BL you describe is the type of thing I've been glad to get away from by not watching stuff out of that country. lol I think those scenes are a nod to the sex-phobic, young Western girls who make up a large part of the BL audience. They want their gay boys to be sex drive-free puppies, not human beings.
My understanding is that true Fujoshis, out of Japan, love intense physical passion between their BL characters. Am I wrong?
While I do avoid Thai BLs, I'm open to checking out one that is suggested as worthwhile if it comes along. ALL of the early BLs I discovered five years ago were Thai. Shows like "Love Sick," "Make It Right," "TharnType," "Together With Me," etc. So please let me know if there are any Thai shows you recommend.