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I'm not trying to force you to do anything. I'm asking simple questions about why you say the things you say and do the things you do. But you won't answer because you don't HAVE to. Well, questions and answers are part of any discussion, and if you can't handle that, it says plenty about your perspective.

So, let me get this straight: You have repeatedly referred to the "Lust, Caution" sex scenes as "porn, utterly graphic, in-your-face crude, and gratuitous," yet now you claim you're not "offended" by them. Alrighty then...I guess twisting yourself into a pretzel reasoning like that allows you to both call out such scenes as a negative aspect of certain films AND enjoy watching all that naked sex at the same time. lol

Question: Why in the world do you not spell out words like "porn" and "sex?" Why are sex scenes a bad thing? You keep describing them as negative, yet you won't say why.

As expected, you are unable to answer sensibly any of my questions, and you watched the entire movie, start to finish, including all the "crude and utterly graphic...porn culture" sex scenes, even though you claim to find them offensive.

You're a childish, sexually repressed hypocrite.

I love that you're so pure you can't bring yourself to spell out the word "porn." lol

Interesting. I felt exactly the opposite. I was intrigued until the mass killing started.

Totally bizarre movie, and not in a good way.

I was mostly on board with the first half, which gradually revealed more and more weirdness about the teacher and his past, but the entire second half with the festival decor and all the shootings was just...lame. I sat watching all this shoot-em-up, graphic gore while intermittently rolling my eyes and forcing myself to watch until the end; after all, I'd come that far, why not waste another 15 minutes?

The exact same act of violence was repeated what, 30 or 40 times? It just got monotonous. I guess Miike Takashi thought he was being clever and ironic or something. NOT. Maybe he thought that was the point: we're so used to this kind of killing (especially here in the U.S. with our daily mass killings by gun) that it ceases to have any significant impact. Whatever; it was stupid. MT often thinks his trash is meaningful. It's not.

Absolutely terrible. Highly not recommended. I'm going to give the first half an 8, the second half a zero and average things out at 4/10.

Don't bother.

I don't think he actually came; he was just trying to gross out the teacher. That was one of many segments that didn't really work, either as comedy or to show the students' absolute disregard for authority. Mostly, it was just stupid, like the entire second half of the film.

A lot of paranoid hypersensitivity in this comment section regarding a "white guy" doing anything good. lol Guess what? The story is about a "white guy" who inadvertently joins the Yakuza and kicks some ass. There are zillions of Yakuza flicks in which NO white guy does anything at all. But because there is ONE flick with that story line, it is pushing a pro-colonialism/white savior rescues the Asians agenda. hahaha

Also guess what? White guys from the U.S. DID save Japan's ass after WW2. And the world has been better for it ever since. Get over it.

Why, exactly, do the sex scenes, which I've already shown were NOT "pornographic," need "to be DENOUNCED?" lol Who are you, the head of the Chinese Communist Party Censorship Board?

What do you have against sex? It is a part of every normal adult's life. Why does bare flesh and actors pretending to have sex scare you so? What is "gratuitous" about the scenes in this movie? Is it up to you to decide how much sex, if any, is just the right amount and thus, not gratuitous, or can you leave that up to the individual viewer to decide for themselves?

Finally, did you stop watching the film after the first sex scene or did you keep watching? I guess we know the answer, since you write of them in multiples, meaning you saw more than one. Why did you keep watching if you were so offended and outraged? Why didn't you stop right there?

It couldn't be that you're a hypocrite, could it?

Great, great movie! Love it.

Not even going to count the few tiny things I might have changed, as they are insignificant in the overall power of this moving and delightful film.

Highly, highly recommended. As with all good movies/dramas on MDL, this one is deeply underrated. Thus, I give it the rating it deserves, plus a tiny bonus to make it perfect:

10/10

Well, either way, we agree on one thing: They screwed up a potentially good story/show. I liked the first episode a lot, and was excited to see how things went, but every ep got lamer and lamer.

It will be interesting to see how they wrap it up this week.

Yeah, sex is 18+, but I'm sure you're OK with explicit murder and violence being rated R, right?

lol I guess I missed the explicit penetration shots, the ejaculations, the sperm dribbling out of mouths and all that...damn, where can I get hold of the version YOU saw?

You must watch really tame porn.

Some people like and have "abusive" sex, both the one abusing and the one being abused. And it certainly is no surprise that Tony Leung's character, given what he does for a living, is someone who likes rough, really rough, sex.

Does any story NEED to be told? Isn't it more a matter of someone WANTING to tell a story, and then doing so?
Could you suggest a story or two that NEEDED to be told, and how they differ from this one, assuming you think it did NOT need to be told?

Sorry. I'm done with you.

Meh. Why didn't he just legally change his surname?
I was bored quite a bit, almost dropped it halfway but kept going with hope in my heart...I was not rewarded.
The Japanese and Korean cultural tradition of persecuting family members of a criminal as though they committed the crimes themselves, is absurd. I would think they'd have moved past such an illogical, primitive way of thinking.
I have seen at least three movies featuring that "Manzai" style of Japanese stand-up comedy. I know it has to be cultural thing (I'm American) but I have never found even one line or interaction the slightest bit funny. Interesting.

Not great. Not terrible. But no recommendation from me.

6.5/10

Wow. Thank you, dear. I think I was born "naughty." An urge to shake things up and see what happens lies beneath my skin at all times.

Of course, you're not sure. That's fine, I don't care. I write comments because I want to express my thoughts. I'm fairly sure no one who doesn't want to read them is made to do so against their will. Or am I wrong on that?

Then again, there are people who like to use their brains, and might wonder WHY this commenter dropped the movie when he did. To find out, they could, you know, READ. If not, they could, you know, NOT read.

Couldn't Netflix just not release it in Korea?
I wish they'd go ahead and say "enough of this Korean/psycho/fan culture. Yoo has not been convicted of anything, we stand behind him 100% and we're releasing this immediately." This would be a major statement that drug addiction, if that's what we're dealing with here, is an illness and requires treatment, not punishment. Maybe NF could help move Korea's insane drug obsession into at least the 20th century.

Could you explain what you mean?

It seems being treated like a leper is akin to being tormented, so I'm not getting the difference. YAI has been in and out of police stations and court houses too. I'm not arguing, just making sure I get your meaning correctly.

i have been worried for a long time that YAI would end up like LSK, even before LSK took his life.