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I interpreted that scene as Do Hyun overhearing "I only want to sleep with him" and thinking it meant "All I want from him is sex," which would upset him if he wanted MORE than that. But I'm not sure if that works either, because in the scene where Dong Wook is melodramatically withdrawing from school ahead of schedule, and doing it in the rain of course, Do Hyun chases after him and is obviously not upset about what he seemed to overhear and misunderstand.

So does that mean he wanted to "just have sex" with Dong Wook too, and was pissed that DW didn't follow through? Surely him overhearing that remark means he misinterpreted it to mean "I only want to bang him." Because the guy DW was talking to asked him "Do you like Do Hyun?" To which DW replied "I just want to sleep with him." Which equals, to someone overhearing this, "no, I don't like him, I just want to have sex with him"...yes?

Frankly, I doubt if the director knows what the exact reading of all the above is. The show overall felt messy, so why not that too? I can't believe I spend my time obsessing over the fine details of poorly made Korean BLs. lol But I do!

Best part of this series was the fan service episode, 8.5. That was probably required as part of the k-popper's contract.

Well, thank goodness that's over, though I had a couple of feels in the last two eps.
However, ep. 8 felt like a collection of alternate final scenes, strung together because the director couldn't decide which one to use. I thought it was over five times.
Best line of the series: "Would you check?" (After the ice cube went down Dong Wook's pants.) A shame we didn't get to see Dong's dong. I wonder how many takes it took to get thru that scene without laughing.
I find Woo Ji Han very appealing and he's the better of the two actors. But then, k-pop boy wasn't given much to do except look blank and depressed and arrogant.
Plot was absurdly, and weakly, built around dumb, manufactured misunderstandings, even for a BL.
Some of the scenes felt out of order.
THREE water fights? Really? But hey, no one got a fever.
I like the actress who played the coach, even though her character was somewhat annoying. I wish the plot had given her a girlfriend.
I wish Do Hyun had chosen the loyal, handsome Seung Joo over the dour, arrogant, blank vampire Dong Wook.

OK, well I liked it more than disliked it so that's something. 6.5/10

Good. Be creeped. Report me. Whatever.

Yes, I'm desperately obsessed. You, whoever you are, is all I think about.

Oh, you hadn't mentioned "inconsistencies" before either. You keep making up shit and acting like you already said it.

Now we're back to square one. Is "square one" a figure of speech in your language? There is no rule book requiring that an adaptation be, in part or in whole, consistent with its source material. And seeing as how one of the source's co-writers also wrote the screenplay, how dare you question her judgement? lol

Also, there's the simple fact that often, what works on in a book does not work so well onscreen.

How many times do we need to go round and round about this? I get it: You're a KP novel obsessive, fangirl. And that's OK.

End of ep. 6:
Finally, something interesting happened! I loved it when sleeping pill stood up the vampire and then threatened him on the basketball court. YEEEEEEEEEESSSS!
If you don't want to see someone, why would you play basketball with them?
Woo Ji Han is a pretty good actor. The k-popper mainly just looks blank most of the time.
If you truly slept only ten or 20 minutes a night, with many nights of no sleep at all, you would be unable to function, let alone attend school, which is why the sleeping pill's assumption that the vampire only wants to be around him to get some badly-needed shut-eye makes perfect sense.
Then we go back in time to the overheard remark in high school and it all makes sense...at least sort of...because if he was pissed in high school after what he overheard and misunderstood, why would he start warming back up to the vampire in college?
This thing is a mess, as are most Korean, gay-bait BLs.

I hope this doesn't get all wrapped up without some more intense conflict.

"... it very much points in the direction a MAJORITY of viewers feeling the same way." Your words.

You never said anything about "incoherence majorly," whatever that means. Quit making shit up. :D

Honest question, although I know you don't like answering questions: Is English your second or third language? Also, how old ARE you?

And no, I have absolutely nothing else in my life except you and this discussion.

I'm very happy. I don't have to assume anything about you. Everything I wrote is crystal clear from your comments.

You are ok with creators changing things...as long as the changes "make sense" to YOU and the imagined hive-mind you consider yourself a part of.

Are you arguing the makers of KP deliberately produced an adaptation they knew the hive-mind would dislike? Why would they do that? Didn't that psycho-liar-stalker chick help write the screenplay? Wouldn't that kind of negate your arguments here? Wouldn't she know better than the hive-mind what needed to be changed for the adaptation?

So...have you now changed your approach to one of arguing that a "majority" is the same as a totality? If a majority of fangirls agree the sky is kelly green on a clear day, does that mean they are "objectively" correct? lol

Please keep replying. This is entertaining.

Oh god.

End of episode #5, and getting lamer with each installment.
The first two episodes had me interested, but it's been downhill since then.
Tropes, bandaged knees, umbrellas, rain on sunny days, soju, soon one of them will get a fever.
A pace like molasses in February, ie. glacial.
Terrible writing: Why is Dong Wook staying with Do Hyun with the excuse of an injured foot? So what? He walks to and from campus, from room to room, he can shower himself, and cook too. There's no reason at all Do Hyun would agree to it.
Dong Wook's arrogance and presumptuous attitude is off-putting to the point of creepy. There's no way this approach would work on someone who obviously already loathes him.
Extremely low budget, which explains why there is never another soul on that campus, except in the very first classroom scene. Since then, the place feels and looks like a deserted island.
Why and how did Do Hyun get all these awards, trophies, and autographed basketballs from playing on what appears to be some kind of low-level league team?
Again with deserted: Not a soul in the grandstands.
I could go on, but what's the point?

I like the vibe between the leads. I find both attractive and low-key charismatic, although Dong Wook has a vampire affect going on. The basketball scenes are relatively well-played and filmed for a BL; the actors actually worked on being able to play like real athletes, at least to a minimally believable level. The music in those scenes is used well too.

Moving into episode #6, that's all this thing has going for it. Oh, and as is sadly the case with many Korean BLs, they all have too much clown-white makeup on.

All of this is largely explained by the fact that the vampire guy is a low-level K-Pop idol, which means this is a gay-bait, low-budget effort by a management company to cash in on the BL craze without putting much on the line. There WAS, however, some lip movement during what started out as a dead-fish kiss, so props for that.

Good God, now you're just being obtuse, or worse, stubborn.

I started writing an in-depth explanation of the difference between "objective" and "subjective," but you think you already understand that, which you don't, so I'll not waste my time. Google it, and if you still claim what you write above is accurate, I'll assume you are lying or intellectually disabled.

And now you've gone another step into absurdity by asserting that the "audience" is one thing, with some kind of interconnected hive-mind, not a collection of individuals with different brains and different life experiences. So, of course, YOU know what that audience/brain "felt" about KP, and it magically happens to be exactly what YOU felt.

It doesn't surprise me that someone who doesn't grasp objective vs. subjective also thinks using "literally" in all-caps makes their argument, whatever the hell it is, more coherent and convincing. The word you're looking for is "actually," not "literally." Google them. There is a difference between those two words also.

Let me guess: You think the KinnPorsche novel, half-written by that psycho stalker chick, is objectively a "masterpiece," right? It's flawless like the sky is blue, and how could anyone think otherwise.

Curious: How old are you?

Either making changes is either OK or NOT OK, it can't be both depending on you. lol

Let me try to help: Making changes is OK, but you don't like the changes that were made in KP. Right? D

You should know that in art, there is no such thing as "objectively" anything, because every viewer or reader or audience member receives the art from a singular perspective, their own, thus every perspective is very much SUBjective. :D

Mile and Apo had phenomenal chemistry and charisma, which was my favorite thing about the show, plus their make out scenes and the half-second view of Miles' butt. :)

Oh, I recognize you! You're one of the frothing fangirls from the KP thread. Kidding!

First you say " it's okay to make changes, take directorial liberties, and interpret any way you want," and then contradict yourself by saying it's NOT okay in the KP case because you didn't LIKE the particular changes, liberties, and interpretations that were made. "Any way you want" means "any way you want."

I'm not saying you have to like the adaptation, but the hysteria and outrage in that thread was so over the top as to be unbelievable, like a K-Pop fangirl page gone mad after one of its idols changed the color of his hair without permission from them.

I only liked about three episodes and saw the rest as the usual Thai garbage. The funniest scenes were of Vegas supposedly torturing and raping Pete for his perverted satisfaction, except that it appeared to be staged and acted out by a middle school troupe. The fake whipping, badly faked whip marks, and fake blood were outrageously amateurish.

KP got a 4/10 from me.

It's MDL. Black is white. Up is down.

It's a fascinating aspect of human perception and memory that ten people can remember an event they all witnessed in ten different ways. This was one time I got it right on first viewing. I've learned during these two years of interacting with you on MDL, that my first impression is very often not accurate.

To anyone who still thinks A-kun did you-know-what on purpose.
Watch the scene and pay attention. The camera, in crucial closeups, gives us all the information we need to know it was an accident, not the least bit deliberate.
I was surprised to find people thought otherwise, as even on first watch, there is nothing there to indicate it was anything other than what it was, a horrible accident, caused by drunkenness and an unstable, loose you-know-what that gave way under pressure.

There is no need to rely on the Manga to reach this conclusion. For the hundredth time, numerous important changes are OFTEN made during adaptations from print to live-action. What I describe above is made clear by the fine direction, staging, props, and acting of the production crew alone.

Mangas are one thing. Live-action is another thing. The latter is not intended to be a frame-by-frame reproduction of the former. It cannot be, as they are two entirely different mediums. Some live action versions try as hard as possible to go frame-by-frame with a Manga, and others use the Manga merely as the inspiration for the story as told in the Manga, often with major changes to the plot and aspects of character. Either way, it's never wise to see a Manga as a mere storyboard for the adaptation, because that's not what it is, nor can it be.

This is why I most often do the opposite of what many movie/series viewers do. I read the source material AFTER I've seen the adaptation, if I'm intrigued. In this way, I go into the adaptation with zero expectations that it will be anything other than exactly what it is.

I do sometimes enjoy efforts made by a director to give a show the feel and look of the Manga on occasion, as in creative camera angles to evoke the Manga drawings, or even casting actors who sort of LOOK like a Manga character, but that's as far as I go in how I see the relationship between source and adaptation.

The most entertaining example of this phenomenon of audience expecting a frame-by-frame reproduction of a Manga in a series was the comment section under KinnPorsche. Week after week, legions of hysterical fangirls predicted with drooling anticipation, how the series was going to switch focus and become the PeteVegas show, with this and that plot development, because THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MANGA. And week after week, as that continued to not be the case, their certainty turned to doubt, then confusion, then anger that KP was not an exact duplicate of the KP novel.

Actually, it was scary, the viciousness with which they lashed out at other commenters who called attention to the fact that the series and the novel were two different things. Eventually, I blocked 17 MDL KP commenters in one go, as the spittle-flying rage had turned from entertaining to disturbing and distracting. The comment section quickly started making sense again, and seemed significantly less like an insane asylum and more like a BL thread. :)

End of rant.

Comments sections are for sharing thoughts.
If my thought is inaccurate, why take it personally?

A lot of homophobic people don't see themselves as being such. Perhaps you're one of those people.
Just a thought.

I've only watched episode 1, but I wanted to drop in here and say that the casting director should receive a huge bonus. "Chemistry" is an overused word here, but that ephemeral magic that flows between two people and not between others is still oozing out of my computer screen ten minutes after I finished.

These two actors have that magic.

It's amusing that you imagine I am "pissed." I assure you I am not. I am annoyed by ignorance and homophobia.

I don't see any comment of yours above beginning with "my opinion." it doesn't matter if you did say "my opinion," you'd still be mistaken in your lengthy summation of AFF's plot.

How do you know the chief never "interacted with" women? Even if that were the case, a straight man does not turn gay simply because he hasn't talked to many women. He saw them all the time around the palace, as he has for nearly 20 years of his relationship with the king. If he were attracted to women, he would have felt it and known it.

I see your opinion as a blunt refusal to acknowledge what you clearly see in front of your face in the film. People who believe gay love is "less than" straight love come up with convoluted, twisted language to explain that black is white, as you have done here.

I neglected to add that it was the queen's plot against the fem, sparked by jealousy of the king's obvious infatuation with him, that "ends them all."

Wrong. He saw being at the palace as a secure, permanent means of employment for the entire troupe. The captain would never have left either, if he wasn't in love with the fem one and insanely jealous over the king's attentions to him.

Did it ever look to you as if the fem was enjoying his time with the King? Even when he performed little plays and such for him, he was nervous as hell, and ill-at-ease. He was acquiescing to all of that, as he had acquiesced to other wealthy patrons, for the sake of work and thus money for the entire troupe.

Did you miss when he attempted to freaking kill himself? Is that what one does when one wants to "stay" with someone or be somewhere?

The king LOVED the play you refer to, and was so moved by it and what it symbolized, that he killed the women who poisoned his mother along with his step-mother, indirectly. The troupe was FORCED to perform that story, if you recall.

Finally, it is the queen's scheming, in having the anti-king posters that were popping up forged in the fem one's handwriting to frame him as having written them. Then the captain claimed to be their author to save the life of the feminine one, because he had learned to write from the fem and thus his handwriting was identical to his.