@Teresa Lume, @NeoB, @etoks21, @MailynThere are several different conversations happening here, and they are being…
"If people can feel the weight of what you’re saying and still see how the system enables it, maybe this time it won’t end the same way."
I wish that were true, but I'm afraid we're a long way from the time when people who need to feel the weight and change their behavior surrounding this issue, do so. The Suicide Machine has been churning away for at least 25 years now, and I've seen no meaningful changes in Korean society that will slow it down.
I want to say again how impressed I am, not only with what you write, but how you write it.
Ugh. This show is painfully bad. Gun doing his usual Gun thing. Off has matured, but not enough. Plot is hilariously lame, geared toward Thai BL, teen fangirls.
After having fast-forwarded through most of the last four episodes, I can't bear another minute, even at warp speed.
Now people are lying to themsleves in that comment section first i hate how the series is managed bcs in the novel…
1. This is one of the most self-important, yet near-incoherent posts I've read on this site, and that's saying a lot. Next time, try ChatGPT. 2. Punctuation/capitalization is a thing. ChatGPT will fix that for you too. 3. This is not the novel, this is what is called an "adaptation." Adaptations almost always differ significantly from their source material. It's true!
Interesting. The first time I watched this, during its airing, I liked it a lot and rated it 8.5/10. On second watch, I'm having to force myself to keep going. It seems slow, dreary, but not in ways I find intriguing. Lots of plot holes, too.
@Teresa Lume, @NeoB, @etoks21, @MailynThere are several different conversations happening here, and they are being…
Some things are worth being emotional about. Driving people to suicide via character-assassination is one of those things.
Even though I'm not the one who originated the phrase, "murder by proxy" in this discussion, I stand by it as an excellent label for what has happened over and over, and will happen again, to Korean celebrities.
If a mob, convinced of an innocent person's guilt, chases that person to the edge of a cliff with the intent to burn them at the stake, and the person chooses to jump rather than wait to see what happens next, is the mob not a collection of "murderers by proxy?"
Some moral issues ARE absolute.
I am grateful there are people like you around to calmly and clearly lay out the reasoning behind the view that the Korean Celebrity Suicide Machine is an abomination. While you're doing that, I'll be cutting to the chase and expressing my outrage at the machine and its human cogs, many of whom slither around MDL, as emotionally as the issue warrants. Emotion does not necessarily negate reason.
One man companies are a gray area. And the TAC office is usually greedy. Cha trusted his mom. Not realizinh she…
Oh Cyril, don't disturb their little heads with, you know, a rational perspective and...facts. Those are so bothersome, and not nearly as much fun as career executions.
It was the suicide of Kim Jonghyun, of kpop group SHINee eight years ago that opened my eyes to the horrific history of the Korean Celebrity Suicide Machine. As I looked into it, at first I could not believe what I was reading. Now I believe it all too well.
Is that a bad thing ? People should be held accountable for their actions. I'm very happy if celebrities and powerful…
I'm well aware you quoted the previous commenter - to DEFEND the quote as a qualification that excuses the insinuations in her post. That's why I included it again in replying to you.
No, I did not "misunderstand" your "proxy" defense. Whether or not you and your imaginary friend become "proxies" depends on the content of your comments. And you jumped in to defend your right to be outraged if a celeb gets away with not paying taxes, when no one said you can't be outraged all you want in such a case. The problem is that your right-to-be-outraged schtick once again insinuates that CEW is one of the rich, famous people you have a right to be outraged at. You're not posting that comment in some random Reddit thread about general tax evasion. You're posting it under an article about CEW and his ongoing crucifixion. If you deny that is an important distinction, it's further evidence that you have a standard knetz mindset.
And if you have the mindset, you're a knetz, whether you claim the label or not. Your "I have a right to be outraged" pose is a central theme among knetz who feed on celebrities at the slightest provocation.
"Do you realise that what you are saying is that we should never find people guilty of crimes in case they kill themselves." This is too stupid to waste time responding to, so I won't.
I didn't side-step anything. I didn't focus on the "crime" aspect because I'm not obsessed with labeling celebrities as criminals. People who evade taxes, deliberately or inadvertently, have not committed violent assault or murder. It's not crucial to me that I lump them in with others who have. Generally, in such cases, if they owe back taxes they pay them, often on a payment plan over time, plus a penalty, and that's the end of it. It happens all the time to working-class people, too.
Celebs in that position don't need to be hammered into oblivion because they happen to be famous. One of the few things I'm proud of as an American is that character assassination linked to non-violent crimes is not a national pastime here. If you f**k up otherwise, you get second, third, and tenth chances, and people cheer if you get it together and succeed down the road.
That is impossible to imagine in Korea, where self-righteous celeb-killing is considered an honorable side gig.
I'm in the US. Netflix here includes "lgbtq+" in its key words, so that's pretty darn clear, too. You were right. So, does Netflix where you are not list "lgbtq+"?
Some commenters below indicated that was not among the tags they saw on NF in their countries.
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Based on WHAT, Knetz?
Please forward your comment to MDL management!
The Machine never rests...
That's what all my sex partners tell me.
This is a system that has been warned, again and again, by the dead."
Sigh...
And I agree with every beautiful word you wrote.
I wish that were true, but I'm afraid we're a long way from the time when people who need to feel the weight and change their behavior surrounding this issue, do so. The Suicide Machine has been churning away for at least 25 years now, and I've seen no meaningful changes in Korean society that will slow it down.
I want to say again how impressed I am, not only with what you write, but how you write it.
I didn't say you "must" do anything, "dear."
But I do suggest that you get back on schedule with your meds.
This show is painfully bad.
Gun doing his usual Gun thing.
Off has matured, but not enough.
Plot is hilariously lame, geared toward Thai BL, teen fangirls.
After having fast-forwarded through most of the last four episodes, I can't bear another minute, even at warp speed.
Dropped
1/10
2. Punctuation/capitalization is a thing. ChatGPT will fix that for you too.
3. This is not the novel, this is what is called an "adaptation." Adaptations almost always differ significantly from their source material. It's true!
The first time I watched this, during its airing, I liked it a lot and rated it 8.5/10.
On second watch, I'm having to force myself to keep going.
It seems slow, dreary, but not in ways I find intriguing.
Lots of plot holes, too.
Clearly, my tastes/perspectives have changed.
Dropping.
Will adjust my rating to 6/10
Driving people to suicide via character-assassination is one of those things.
Even though I'm not the one who originated the phrase, "murder by proxy" in this discussion, I stand by it as an excellent label for what has happened over and over, and will happen again, to Korean celebrities.
If a mob, convinced of an innocent person's guilt, chases that person to the edge of a cliff with the intent to burn them at the stake, and the person chooses to jump rather than wait to see what happens next, is the mob not a collection of "murderers by proxy?"
Some moral issues ARE absolute.
I am grateful there are people like you around to calmly and clearly lay out the reasoning behind the view that the Korean Celebrity Suicide Machine is an abomination.
While you're doing that, I'll be cutting to the chase and expressing my outrage at the machine and its human cogs, many of whom slither around MDL, as emotionally as the issue warrants. Emotion does not necessarily negate reason.
And thank you!!! for saying so clearly and distinctly what I haven't the patience to say in such a coherent manner, myself.
Korean entertainers dead by suicide, one of my custom lists:
https://mydramalist.com/list/1drDvBV3
It was the suicide of Kim Jonghyun, of kpop group SHINee eight years ago that opened my eyes to the horrific history of the Korean Celebrity Suicide Machine. As I looked into it, at first I could not believe what I was reading. Now I believe it all too well.
No, I did not "misunderstand" your "proxy" defense. Whether or not you and your imaginary friend become "proxies" depends on the content of your comments. And you jumped in to defend your right to be outraged if a celeb gets away with not paying taxes, when no one said you can't be outraged all you want in such a case. The problem is that your right-to-be-outraged schtick once again insinuates that CEW is one of the rich, famous people you have a right to be outraged at. You're not posting that comment in some random Reddit thread about general tax evasion. You're posting it under an article about CEW and his ongoing crucifixion. If you deny that is an important distinction, it's further evidence that you have a standard knetz mindset.
And if you have the mindset, you're a knetz, whether you claim the label or not. Your "I have a right to be outraged" pose is a central theme among knetz who feed on celebrities at the slightest provocation.
"Do you realise that what you are saying is that we should never find people guilty of crimes in case they kill themselves."
This is too stupid to waste time responding to, so I won't.
I didn't side-step anything. I didn't focus on the "crime" aspect because I'm not obsessed with labeling celebrities as criminals. People who evade taxes, deliberately or inadvertently, have not committed violent assault or murder. It's not crucial to me that I lump them in with others who have.
Generally, in such cases, if they owe back taxes they pay them, often on a payment plan over time, plus a penalty, and that's the end of it. It happens all the time to working-class people, too.
Celebs in that position don't need to be hammered into oblivion because they happen to be famous. One of the few things I'm proud of as an American is that character assassination linked to non-violent crimes is not a national pastime here. If you f**k up otherwise, you get second, third, and tenth chances, and people cheer if you get it together and succeed down the road.
That is impossible to imagine in Korea, where self-righteous celeb-killing is considered an honorable side gig.
Some commenters below indicated that was not among the tags they saw on NF in their countries.
IMDB lists keywords gay, romance, lgbtq+, and love
I submitted to add "gay romance" and "lgbtq" to this MDL page with both links, so we'll see if it takes...