I will say I do like that love hasn't transformed these dudes into someone else. They're demonstrably incredibly…
|That kind of people can also make a move on Ray the next minute.| Oh I fully think that is coming. Ray might finally get a positive response to that threesome he keeps saying he wants. But I don't think he'll like it if and when he does.
|It's almost like as long as anyone does anything remotely wrong to Ray, they will be branded as evil and hated.| That's exactly what it is imo. Ray is the favorite, anything that inconveniences him is wrong. The end. There is no seeing it from the other side because Ray's feelings are the only feelings that matter. I knew this would happen the second Sand wasn't perfect. It's like I'm psychic. đŸ¤£đŸ¤£đŸ¤£
Whatever. I will keep on loving Sand and thinking he needs a hug.
I can't speak for everyone, but I will tell you why I was mad. When Sand punched Top it was because he stole his…
Yes I know you do. I disagree heartily. Also I would like to add that Sand wasn't in love with Top. Of course he was mad at the guy he wasn't in love with who the guy he was in love with left him for. It's not fair, but it's human.
So I have finally watched the whole ep 11.So where is the hate for Sand coming from? Sand never introduced Ray…
I will say I do like that love hasn't transformed these dudes into someone else. They're demonstrably incredibly happy with each other, but Sand is still too passive and patient with people who do not deserve it and Ray is still reactive with a bit of a temper. Good. Being in love doesn't magically make you a different person. Boeing is annoying but if they can't get through this blip after getting through all the other shit maybe they need to accept they shouldn't be together.
I hope they do get through it because I actually quite like them together now that they're on the same page about what they want and where they stand.
I do feel like I get Sand a lot here, He really loved Boeing, the show goes out of its way to showcase that, it must be rough having him suddenly pop up and bring back a lot of feelings that Sand hasn't really dealt with. I'm not surprised he floundered, or that he put up with Boeing pushing him in spite of very obviously not wanting him around (seriously, he rolled his eyes at that man at least once in every scene, and not fondly. His jaw was also constantly ticking in that way it does when he is annoyed by something). Do I think that he needs to brain Boeing with his guitar? Yes. Am I surprised he didn't? Nope, because that's Sand all over.
The only time I got irritated with Ray was at the very end. I get what he's going for but the problem is that Boeing ain't gonna say no, and Sand clearly doesn't like it but Boeing isn't a one night stand that he has no issue getting rid of. It's someone he was planning a life with who he is (stupidly, I admit) trying to keep as a friend (not that I think you can't be friends with your exes - I am friends with several lol - but Boeing doesn't want to be Sand's friend and he's pushy af). Completely different from every situation that they've been in before. I'm not surprised it's biting both Sand and Ray in the ass. I get why Ray is upset but he also said he'd let Sand handle it. He's not. Sand might be going too slowly for Ray but I have full confidence that he'll get there. He's not going to pick Boeing, lol. Come on. There was more danger of RayMew being a real couple and we all know what a farce that was.
As for Boston...I am furious. Utterly furious. The way that Atom was let off the hook for what he did by nearly everyone makes me want to throw things. He accused Boston of raping him! HOW is everyone just like "oh well, you know. Kids do shitty things on their way to finding themselves."??? If this were any other character NO ONE would be taking it this lightly. And I bet they will have Cheum apologizing next ep but half of it will be victim blamey - "if you weren't such a slut then maybe it wouldn't have worked so well." I would bet money on it. Boston just move to NYC and away from these people who treat promiscuity like a moral failing.
I can't speak for everyone, but I will tell you why I was mad. When Sand punched Top it was because he stole his…
I just think that Sand knew the boyfriend thing didn't matter - Boing already KNEW that and was still like gimme a chance/I wanna go home with you.
I'm sorry, but it feels like people want Sand to be a completely different character now that it's not Ray he's being nice to. That's not how it works.
It's interesting—as a Ray stan—that I mostly remember a lot of people hating Ray and loving Sand instead of…
LOL Zaddy Dan. :D
I mean I'll defend and support Sand even if he is wrong, and I'll even go further and say that part of the reason I've been as hard on Ray as I have been is because he's been so regularly not great with Sand. I can admit my own biases.
But I also feel like all these guys are painfully human. That's what makes them so damn frustrating so often - because they make very very human mistakes. Like Sand here. He loved Boeing. Like really loved Boeing. It's clear. It's also clear he never dealt with Boeing leaving - he just pushed it down and called it good. And now he's back, and he *has* to deal with it. Him floundering is actually the least worst thing he could be doing here.
He's already moved on. He just needs to catch up with that now that he's being actively confronted with the past that he's been ignoring. I don't know if we really have the time for that in one ep, so I guess we might get a sequel after all. Joy (I say sarcastically, because boo sequels the only sequel I want is to Midnight Museum).
It's interesting—as a Ray stan—that I mostly remember a lot of people hating Ray and loving Sand instead of…
I just know that there was a time that for every negative comment about Ray it seemed like there were four defending his every move.
Could be confirmation bias, as you said.
I have no problem with Sand being on the chopping block, as you say, but I'd like it to be for things he's actually done. I really don't see how he's being different with Boeing than he was with Ray, and I really don't remember people being this upset when Ray was walking all over every boundary Sand set up. Because that's exactly what Boeing is doing, and yet Sand is getting the blame. I dislike it.
Sand clearly has a lot of unresolved issues around Boeing that he needs to work through. It's kind of like when Ray needed to work through his Mew problems, only I don't remember Ray getting it in the teeth for that as much. Could be bias though for sure.
I'm gonna feel like a veteran after EP 12 who has survived the trenches of this blasted comment section. Still…
This isn't that bad. I've left certain pages because of how horrible the comments got. Sure we're a little tetchy sometimes but I haven't seen outright vitriol yet, so that's nice. đŸ¤£
This I agree with. I always felt that Sand was still a little hung up on the ex, not necessarily in love but just...there's…
Oh yeah his ire has been misdirected for sure - Boeing left. Top didn't put a gun to his head. But I get Sand in that it's easier to blame the other person than it is to blame the person you love (or loved). But I also very much think that part of that is that Sand doesn't want to deal with what it might say about *him*, that he wasn't enough for Boeing to stick around.
I do think he might have also fixated a little on Ray because his relationship with Ray reinforced whatever the breakup with Boeing left in his head - Ray was highkey emotionally unavailable and telegraphing it at every turn, and yet Sand was pretty far in very quickly. That said, it's equally clear that now Ray is entirely in this thing, and Sand is too, but he has to deal with his issues surrounding Boeing first, just like Ray had to deal with his Mew issues.
I am not frustrated with Sand, but I do wish that he were a little less...not nice, exactly, but gentle, and a little less prone to pushing things down or ignoring his own feelings. I feel like he's due for an explosion but I could be wrong.
Aw I hope we can all move on and be civil in other comments. I mean I've gotten in more arguments on this page than I have ever in the entirety of my time on MDL, but I don't feel any particular ire towards any of the people I've argued with. I hope others feel the same way.
After this series I hope I will see you all in the Cooking Crush, Last Twilight, Twins, Cherry Magic, Playboyy…
I can't handle this anxiety and yet I am so ready for Playboyy, which is gonna be like a million times worse. I think maybe i actually like being riled up.
I am actually not perturbed by Sand's behaviour toward Boeing. Sand stole from his roommate, blew up the friendship…
This I agree with. I always felt that Sand was still a little hung up on the ex, not necessarily in love but just...there's a lot of hurt here, and he's not processed it. He's clearly got some bitterness towards Boeing even if he tried to pretend it was all Top's fault, but he also very clearly hasn't dealt with it, not really.
I do think that that is more what this is about than anything else. Kind of like how dating Mew was what Ray needed to realize that he was more in love with an idea than a person. I do wish they hadn't left it this late, but I really do not understand the need to vilify Sand for this.
And yeah, I feel like everyone is being very very human, pettiness, warts, and all. It's probably why they are so frustrating!
People can be mad at who they want its fictional why y'all so pressed over different opinions đŸ’€
I'm not that pressed, lol, but I got a lot of pushback for my ire with Ray in the past so I admit I'm feeling a bit annoyed. I expect after this I will also be blocked, but that works for me too. :D
1. I WISH you'd all had this same energy for when Ray was being a dick. But he can do whatever and Sand barely did anything this ep but because he's not doing enough he's the devil. It's insane. How do you people ship this when you clearly only care about one of these characters? If Ray is all that matters maybe you should ship him with someone you find worthy of him.
2. The novel is not the show and the show is not based on the novel. They were both probably written at the same time, or the novel later. Please stop acting like they CHANGED things. They didn't.
3. I am really disliking the Boston and Nick direction. This annoys me after I've spent so many episodes shipping it.
I will be ranting in the comments if it doesn't happen. Prepare for it.
The fact that she was like "oh honey" about Atom admitting he lied about Boston SAing him boiled my damn blood. WTF. Just. What the fuck. That can be a life ruining accusation and she's treating it like it's nothing.
Mew is giving me whiplash. Top was giving me whiplash, though justifiably so. Either get together or break up,…
Just an FYI often they will have people recovering from alcohol addiction wean themselves off of the sauce. Not just because some people can't quit all at once but because withdrawal is no joke and can actually kill you.
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Oh I fully think that is coming. Ray might finally get a positive response to that threesome he keeps saying he wants. But I don't think he'll like it if and when he does.
|It's almost like as long as anyone does anything remotely wrong to
Ray, they will be branded as evil and hated.|
That's exactly what it is imo. Ray is the favorite, anything that inconveniences him is wrong. The end. There is no seeing it from the other side because Ray's feelings are the only feelings that matter. I knew this would happen the second Sand wasn't perfect. It's like I'm psychic. đŸ¤£đŸ¤£đŸ¤£
Whatever. I will keep on loving Sand and thinking he needs a hug.
I hope they do get through it because I actually quite like them together now that they're on the same page about what they want and where they stand.
I do feel like I get Sand a lot here, He really loved Boeing, the show goes out of its way to showcase that, it must be rough having him suddenly pop up and bring back a lot of feelings that Sand hasn't really dealt with. I'm not surprised he floundered, or that he put up with Boeing pushing him in spite of very obviously not wanting him around (seriously, he rolled his eyes at that man at least once in every scene, and not fondly. His jaw was also constantly ticking in that way it does when he is annoyed by something). Do I think that he needs to brain Boeing with his guitar? Yes. Am I surprised he didn't? Nope, because that's Sand all over.
The only time I got irritated with Ray was at the very end. I get what he's going for but the problem is that Boeing ain't gonna say no, and Sand clearly doesn't like it but Boeing isn't a one night stand that he has no issue getting rid of. It's someone he was planning a life with who he is (stupidly, I admit) trying to keep as a friend (not that I think you can't be friends with your exes - I am friends with several lol - but Boeing doesn't want to be Sand's friend and he's pushy af). Completely different from every situation that they've been in before. I'm not surprised it's biting both Sand and Ray in the ass. I get why Ray is upset but he also said he'd let Sand handle it. He's not. Sand might be going too slowly for Ray but I have full confidence that he'll get there. He's not going to pick Boeing, lol. Come on. There was more danger of RayMew being a real couple and we all know what a farce that was.
As for Boston...I am furious. Utterly furious. The way that Atom was let off the hook for what he did by nearly everyone makes me want to throw things. He accused Boston of raping him! HOW is everyone just like "oh well, you know. Kids do shitty things on their way to finding themselves."??? If this were any other character NO ONE would be taking it this lightly. And I bet they will have Cheum apologizing next ep but half of it will be victim blamey - "if you weren't such a slut then maybe it wouldn't have worked so well." I would bet money on it. Boston just move to NYC and away from these people who treat promiscuity like a moral failing.
I'm sorry, but it feels like people want Sand to be a completely different character now that it's not Ray he's being nice to. That's not how it works.
I mean I'll defend and support Sand even if he is wrong, and I'll even go further and say that part of the reason I've been as hard on Ray as I have been is because he's been so regularly not great with Sand. I can admit my own biases.
But I also feel like all these guys are painfully human. That's what makes them so damn frustrating so often - because they make very very human mistakes. Like Sand here. He loved Boeing. Like really loved Boeing. It's clear. It's also clear he never dealt with Boeing leaving - he just pushed it down and called it good. And now he's back, and he *has* to deal with it. Him floundering is actually the least worst thing he could be doing here.
He's already moved on. He just needs to catch up with that now that he's being actively confronted with the past that he's been ignoring. I don't know if we really have the time for that in one ep, so I guess we might get a sequel after all. Joy (I say sarcastically, because boo sequels the only sequel I want is to Midnight Museum).
Could be confirmation bias, as you said.
I have no problem with Sand being on the chopping block, as you say, but I'd like it to be for things he's actually done. I really don't see how he's being different with Boeing than he was with Ray, and I really don't remember people being this upset when Ray was walking all over every boundary Sand set up. Because that's exactly what Boeing is doing, and yet Sand is getting the blame. I dislike it.
Sand clearly has a lot of unresolved issues around Boeing that he needs to work through. It's kind of like when Ray needed to work through his Mew problems, only I don't remember Ray getting it in the teeth for that as much. Could be bias though for sure.
I do think he might have also fixated a little on Ray because his relationship with Ray reinforced whatever the breakup with Boeing left in his head - Ray was highkey emotionally unavailable and telegraphing it at every turn, and yet Sand was pretty far in very quickly. That said, it's equally clear that now Ray is entirely in this thing, and Sand is too, but he has to deal with his issues surrounding Boeing first, just like Ray had to deal with his Mew issues.
I am not frustrated with Sand, but I do wish that he were a little less...not nice, exactly, but gentle, and a little less prone to pushing things down or ignoring his own feelings. I feel like he's due for an explosion but I could be wrong.
At the end of the day it's just a TV show.
I do think that that is more what this is about than anything else. Kind of like how dating Mew was what Ray needed to realize that he was more in love with an idea than a person. I do wish they hadn't left it this late, but I really do not understand the need to vilify Sand for this.
And yeah, I feel like everyone is being very very human, pettiness, warts, and all. It's probably why they are so frustrating!
1. I WISH you'd all had this same energy for when Ray was being a dick. But he can do whatever and Sand barely did anything this ep but because he's not doing enough he's the devil. It's insane. How do you people ship this when you clearly only care about one of these characters? If Ray is all that matters maybe you should ship him with someone you find worthy of him.
2. The novel is not the show and the show is not based on the novel. They were both probably written at the same time, or the novel later. Please stop acting like they CHANGED things. They didn't.
3. I am really disliking the Boston and Nick direction. This annoys me after I've spent so many episodes shipping it.
The fact that she was like "oh honey" about Atom admitting he lied about Boston SAing him boiled my damn blood. WTF. Just. What the fuck. That can be a life ruining accusation and she's treating it like it's nothing.