idontwanttothanks

Yes, this. Ray still can't admit that he has a problem! You see it all over his face every time someone brings up his drinking, even if he doesn't say it (although he does say it - "I don't have a problem, I just drink when I want to" (paraphrased I can't remember the exact line). Every single time, he gets this look - he's rejecting what's being said even as he nods and goes along to shut up whoever is speaking. And yeah, he's in a better place right now because things are going well, but the second that stops what will happen?

I think Ray also thinks that other people will fix him - not his addiction, because he doesn't think that that's a problem - but definitely his depression. He flat out tells Mew that, and I think we'll see it with Sand, too. But that's not how that works either.

Like I said, I hope he comes to that realization because nothing concrete will be done until he does. I'm very worried about what might make him finally see it, though. Very.

I wish I could frame this comment, There's a serious "I can fix them" problem that people get with this kind of thing and I do not understand it. I do think that Sand has so far managed to handle Ray better than most, and it does make me wonder if he's had experience with addicts before or if it's down to his mom? IDK. But he can't fix Ray. I don't think he thinks he can as of right now, but I do worry he might fall into the trap of thinking that he can make Ray want to fix himself, which is...also not going to happen.

...I think you're responding more to fandom than anything Sand has done yet. Not saying he won't, but he hasn't once yet acted like he can magically fix Ray.

Well we have a difference of opinion on Sand and that's fine. :-)

People expecting him to magically fix Ray are funny though. No amount of love can fix a person; they have to want to fix themselves. Ray's not there yet, but I think that he will be eventually. I hope so.

This is Only Friends, where every episode is episode 11.

I genuinely want to see that happen. I want to see Ray's reaction, because I genuinely do not believe he'd take anyone else touching Sand well at all.

Fully agreed. I think this is going to go badly, mostly because he's doing it for Sand and for Mew and not for himself.

I do have hope though that eventually he will want to do it for himself. But he still doesn't think he has a problem, and things like this won't work if you can't even admit you have an issue.

Lol just a little bit. Consider it karma.

Sand. I hope he wrecks him.

I don't think I'm talking about poly as in a relationship with more than one person at once. I'm talking an open relationship where Nick and Boston both sleep with other people but come home to each other. I do think Boston likes sex and he likes it with more than one person, but I also think that he's very good at separating feelings from the sex act.

I think I'd be more irritated by it if Mew was. But Mew super didn't care so it's like...why should I? And I know they say once a cheater, always a cheater, but eh, I don't necessarily buy that and also, the circumstances were weird.

I do think karma is coming for Ray though in the shape of a leggy musician. Or maybe I just hope so. :D

Yeah, me too. Ray was the one character that I was having problems with for my own reasons and also because Sand is my baby (I admit my own biases freely). Like I said I think it helped that he was mostly sober this ep so his worst qualities weren't being exacerbated. I just need him to calm down a little.

But other than that I like everyone in this bar. And now I'm sitting back and just waiting for whatever happens.

Yeah I still think they dragged it on far too long - it was clear to me that neither of them was feeling it half as much as they were pretending last ep, and I honestly felt like if they kept it up this one I was gonna quit. Dragged the whole show down for me tbh. But I am looking forward to the real BFF era.

Ray doesn't want a threesome he's just learned that that gets people away from Sand so he pulls it out every time he thinks Sand's getting too close to someone. I want someone to call his bluff already.

Won't lie that I'm turning around on Ray a bit - for the first time I actually see what people have been telling me I should be seeing for episodes, lol. I think it helped that Ray seemed mostly sober all episode? So he's generic shitty instead of the kind of dick he was last ep. And I can deal with generic shitty - I love me a good generically shitty character.

That said, I've been in Top's corner for ages now. And controversially I never was that mad about the Boston thing. I'm rooting for him and Mew tbh, but I still kinda want a Boeing threesome - either in flashback with Sand or in real time with Mew. Please.

I don't mind if Boston falls in love. I always thought that might be in the cards. But what I will mind is if it suddenly turns him into someone monogamous. Does that happen for some people? Sure! But Boston has never once given an indication that he is about that monogamous lifestyle. And I don't think that being in love with Nick means that he can't be in an open relationship. Out of all of them he's the one I see feeling happier doing that. Now Nick might not be, but that just makes them incompatible.

We'll see i guess.

If it's a threesome like I crave it'll be a flashback, but if it's not then I demand real time.

When he was getting in between Sand and Nick? Mr. "oh yes threesomes are fine they're great I don't care if you slept together at all let me just push myself in between you two and wrap myself around Sand like a possessive octopus so no roomies with Ideas can lay their slimy hands on him"? That bit?

I did laugh I admit. Ray you loser.

I was really surprised. I would have bet actual money that Mew and Ray would sleep together before they figured it out, but like I said my Mew is back and he's definitely more a talk things out kinda guy. I still want him and Sand to be friends and maybe make out.

Yeah I get that, that was wrong. I don't think that he was only talking about Mew in a lot of it but that part was very Nice Guy and I can't hang with that shit. I won't excuse it either, it was gross. No amount of being nice to someone means you get a ticket into their pants.

If you can't get past that, I get it. I'm still salty with him for the wore comments lol.