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SAME. I want him and Ray to be out on the outs again so that Sand will descend into a messy messy rebound with them that's made even more messy by the fact that the Top situation happened.

Can't read the thread because I don't have twit, could you summarize it?

Oh. No, once Sand loaded that gun Ray was always gonna fire it. He might have gone to Boston first but he was always going to tell Mew, because not only would Ray feel it was his duty as a friend (and yes, Boston was also right, part of him probably hoped it'd turn Mew towards him and frankly, it might just do), Sand had already planted the seeds he needed to plant too deep. "If you're a good friend to him, you'll tell. You're the only one who can." Both heavily implied and you know Ray would latch onto that because he feels he owes Mew everything anyway.

So nope. Once Top fucked with Sand it was all over for him, pretty much. Boston might have helped send Ray into his spiral at the bar though.

Do you mean if Boston hadn't told Sand that Ray's in love with Mew?

No, but only because he wouldn't know it was there to use.

Oh yes I fully believe that Boston and Nick will hook up again after they fight. As of right now they're my top prediction for endgame out of the current couples.

Nah Sand is just as bad as any of these people, he just hasn't been pushed before.

In a way, he's actually worse than them. Because this motherfucker makes *plans* and then carries them out come hell or high water. There's nothing scarier than a man who will see his destruction through to the end no matter who he has to use to get it.

I love him.

I'm not defending, I'm encouraging.

I genuinely think that the likelihood of the current couples ending up together is as follows (from most to least likely):

BostonNick > TopMew >>>>> SandRay.

Let me explain (this will probably get long).

BostonNick: We are seeing Boston destroy his friendships from the inside out right now, whether because of jealousy or feeling that they don't matter since he's going to be going to NY at the end of the year anyway (do you guys think he will? I'm curious). Meanwhile Nick is not letting go for anything, he might step back a pace or two when Boston finds out about the audio but he's a survivor, he's not gonna give up. I feel like he'll find his way back in and Boston will let him because at that point he'll have no one else. Truly a "they deserve each other" situation and I am SEATED.

TopMew: They've both been playing roles with each other (Top moreso than Mew, I think, but Mew isn't totally innocent of game playing) and *still* managed to develop real feelings (IMO). I think that Mew is gonna make it his mission to break Top and I think he will either succeed or come very close, but I think that in the end these two probably have the best chance of creating something good out of the ashes...if the game playing Mew is gonna attempt doesn't make it so they can't look at each other, that is.

SandRay: These two are gonna be over by ep 9. Mark my words. The reasons that they seem to work at first - Ray being needy and Sand wanting to be needed, Sand's patience and. Ray's impulsiveness, etc, are the same reasons they can't be together. They'll just reinforce each other's negative traits until everything explodes in their faces. Plus I know i keep banging this drum but Ray doesn't even like himself, how the hell can he really love someone else? Not fixate on them as a savior, but love them and allow them to love him? He can't. He will self-sabotage every damn time. And Sand's still way too hung up on his ex and whatever happened with them and Top to be able to handle a normal relationship, let alone whateverthefuck he has going on with Ray. I had hoped these two might come out of things friends but I no longer believe it. They're both too apt to break things when crossed.

What I think we'll get: an open-ended sort of deal. One or none of these couples or others might be together, but mostly I think they'll be split. The friend groups might not splinter but my guess is they will, too. Which is very true to life imo. Sometimes you make lifelong friends in college but often it's about proximity and convenience. Some of these characters will be in a good place (my guess: Mew). Some will be on an upward swing (Ray, Boston). Some will be more or less where they started (Sand, Nick). And at least one will be in a place worse than where they began (Top).

Those are my predictions.

I'm gonna be honest. I do not care if any of these characters make it out of this okay except my boy Sand. I don't care what he does or to who I just need him to end up in a place where I can convince myself he's gonna be all right.

Well I am on team "they were on a break!" myself, but I don't even think it is the betrayal of sleeping with someone else as much as it is the betrayal that he did it with *Boston* of it all. And I don't really blame him for that one. Mew and Boston have a very contentious friendship, they don't really seem to like each other very much (or they like each other fine but take issues with the way that they live their lives - Boston as the unrepentant slut and Mew as the innocent virgin (deliberately speaking in broad stereotypes because that's broadly also how the show has set them up)) and so Top sleeping with him of all people - the complete opposite of Mew, the man who sleeps around and treats Mew's own virginity like a burden even though it has nothing to do with him - that's gonna sting even worse.

Then again, I think it's very clear from the way that Top *didn't* bring it up that he knew that what he was doing was something Mew would have a problem with, either because it was Boston or because he slept with someone at all during their reset. And now both he and Boston are gonna have to pay some unhinged consequences lol.

Well I am on team "they were on a break!" myself, but I don't even think it is the betrayal of sleeping with someone else as much as it is the betrayal that he did it with *Boston* of it all. And I don't really blame him for that one. Mew and Boston have a very contentious friendship, they don't really seem to like each other very much (or they like each other fine but take issues with the way that they live their lives - Boston as the unrepentant slut and Mew as the innocent virgin (deliberately speaking in broad stereotypes because that's broadly also how the show has set them up)) and so Top sleeping with him of all people - the complete opposite of Mew, the man who sleeps around and treats Mew's own virginity like a burden even though it has nothing to do with him - that's gonna sting even worse.

Then again, I think it's very clear from the way that Top *didn't* bring it up that he knew that what he was doing was something Mew would have a problem with, either because it was Boston or because he slept with someone at all during their reset. And now both he and Boston are gonna have to pay some unhinged consequences lol.

I must be a red flag too because that would be the first thing out of my mouth. Ah well, I can live with it.

How long is your long run? Because Ray's been in that ditch for at least two years, and maybe none of his friends ever tried to put a hand out to help him (I don't think so but for the sake of argument let's say it) but Ray also hasn't tried to climb out either.

You think? Because my guess is the second big fight from the trailer will be ep 8 at the latest, and it's my hunch that that's the point where one of them is like "we're done for good now."

Boston and Nick are gonna be done by next ep for sure.

Ha yes, that's my guess too. Just when Top and Mew get back on track and if and when Sand and Ray start to seem good again, is my guess. Although possibly Sand and Ray will be splitsies by then.

Generally I think he probably is one of the more decent ones, or at least one of the ones who can better curb his more destructive impulses. But even patient, decent people can be pushed too far, and when they are, watch out.

The smile is definitely creepy and I love him for it, but I don't think so.

I don't really think that anybody expect maybe Boston (arguably, I still like him but) has been put in a wholly bad light. We see good points from all these people - Ray might be an alcoholic loser prone to lashing out and using folks, but he genuinely seems to care for Mew at least, Top is an asshole who slept with Boston while in a nebulous relationship with Mew, but he's also been sweet and considerate, Nick is getting the soft boy edit in spite of the way that he bugged his FWB's car and tried to blackmail Top with it/played it to his roommate like it was show and tell time. And Sand up until this episode was mostly shown decently - sure he sells illegal hooch but nothing was made of it other than he needs money. In fact he was getting such a good edit that people here were claiming he was the only green flag of the show! And as for the lesbians, well, we barely see them at all, they're practically non entities and that is just a travesty.

And honestly even Boston has his moments where he's not being a complete jerk.

It might be a skewed narrative - in fact I would say it is - but I'm not sure it's entirely Mew's narrative either. I think all these people will look differently based on who the POV character is supposed to be.

Well all these people are generally very stupid so I wouldn't put it past them lol.

And yes I too think that Sand and Mew hooking up would hit Top where it hurts the most. Both of them would have the best revenge that way really. Plus I'd like it much better. :D

Ooh did he? I know that at some point he was clearly trying to trick First into spoiling who else he's kissing but it wound up not working out for him, lol. Honestly I'm surprised First hasn't spoiled something already - he is not good at keeping his mouth shut.

This is unpopular, but I think Sand might actually be worse for Ray than Mew, mostly because Sand obviously has a caretaking thing and that will foster a codependent relationship that can only end badly when Sand either stops caring for Ray the way Ray wants or he starts asserting his own needs instead of focusing solely on Ray's (for example, when Ray inevitably ditches him for Mew for the 500th time or doesn't slow up on the drinking).

I'm counting on it. I want Mew and Sand to both be the most unhinged.