WOW...Neither Viki nor Drama Fever have it... TVN seems to be holding out on licensing all of a sudden....Criminal…
it's not meant for the US market to begin with. I don't know how to check their claims, but they make rather strong point in their FAQ to stress their dramas are licensed.
Does anyone know why subbing takes so long? Is it because of the lesbian issue?
what? no, haha. There are no official channels, none of legally operating sites got both rights to stream it now and license for subbing it. No license for viki or DF = no subs. Lovely people on soompi forum are transcribbing engsubs from some Indonesian streaming app and releasing it when they can. So it's gonna take a while, but I guess we should be thankful we're getting subs at all.
This drama might suffer from many casting issues and some scandals surrounding one or two former cast members, but's there's a deeper problem with getting licenses recently, not just for this one.
Guys I have a question, If Dong Cheol hid cameras and recorded what happens to Sang Mi, and post it on the internet,…
It wouldn't. I doubt it's as simple as posting a video online or even sending it to the press. With a range of influence Guseonwon has, they could just hush it and take it down before it makes a buzz. I want Jung Hoon's broadcast to tie later in the plot and I agree they need to work from the inside and gather hard evidence, both via whatever Dong Cheol's plan forsees and - judging from the preview - what Sang Hwan's spying in the Spiritual Father's office can provide. But they need more than jst evidence, they need their own network of power to push it and that is still in the making.
Even if Dong Cheol was there early enough to record ep 10's exorcism, I bet it could be dismissed as an internal practice of some cult, not taken as a serious, criminal matter. Police would try to go around this as they already did in other instances. And the general public has a memory of the goldfish - even if it hit big, constant stream of other shocking news would wash it within weeks. No one cares.
Can someone tell me if Dong Cheol and Sang Mi interact in the latest eps? Bc I'm not going to continue watching…
From ep 9:
1. DC has a slow walk scene when other guys and Sang Mi are waiting on that construction near the lake.
2. we got to know she visited him in prison and thanked him
3. when they discuss what to do *spoiler* after saving her temporarily, other guys propose to seek help with police, but only Sang Mi & Dong Cheol are sceptical and they share a meaningful look.
4. a few microscenes of Sang Hwan and Dong Cheol positioning themselves in the room in relation to Sang Mi and/or staring at her.
Sang Hwan is the one saving her though (with the other two). Dong Cheol is usually conveniently absent and/or tied in mobsters subplot. Additionally, I don't know whether you saw it or not, but there's also a lenghty scene of Sang Hwan sharing with his catatonic mother he felt in love in SM at first sight and still has feelings for her. But SM & DC chemistry is so good. They get each other.
In episode 10 he joins the cult undercover, so I hope for more shared screentime. << lol, nope.
nope.
/ok, on second thought, there are two men into Han Sun Hwa's character, but it's extremely minor. I'm not sure how the situation with Park Se Wan and two musicians develops in the last 4 episodes, but it's also barely there.
yes! inside job time!
On a sidenote, that song at the end of ep 9 was so unlike anything kdrama soundracks had to offer so far. This drama is full of surprises.
Dong Cheol and Sang Mi have such great chemistry even though they don't have any scenes together. lol
Right? I was thinking separating Dong Cheol and Sang Hwan for a few episodes was a brilliant move, because Ok Taec Yeon wasn't being directly overshadowed by Woo Do Hwan's presence & Dong Cheol's golden hearted bad boy vibes so we could grow fond of him, but one scene of them passing each other and it's all in vain.
The more I think of it, the less I like the shape it took in the second half or so. It's enjoyable as a pretty to look at segeuk, but as a psychological drama it turned weak and disjointed, for me at least. I know the majority likes it, but I barely pushed myself to finish last two episodes and gave up to fastforwarding and recaps in the end. Shouldn't have spoilt myself with real history. The love triangle part was both underdeveloped and unnecessary. Frankly, I think it would be more interesting to explore relationship between brothers and their respective approach towards power and powerplays without simplifying things by focusing large portion of the conflict on the girl. Madness and cruelty of the King was first skipped over, then used as a device to make him look pitiful, then used as a pretext for replacing him. Drama!CP had way too much agency. Myung Hee's role was gradually less and less important in order to maintain the romantic image of the main pair. Stupid, passive loyalty without a broader view on the state's good was presented as something admirable. I feel disengaged towards this drama, not the best thing after investing 20 hours. Also, a feeling that the story closer to real events would be far more interesting than the fiction isn't ideal. It had many good points, but they faded after weeks of finishing and everything fell flat. I don't know whether it's a drama fault, or it's just not what I wanted to get. Probably the latter. /vent over.
/As many flaws Hwajeong may have, its first half or so manages to be everything this one wasn't while sharing many similar plotpoints and types of relationships between characters. So if you're disappointed with Q7D, you may want to try that one.
So is the creepy religion, a Christian...something else...? Like what is it. I know it's a cult, but who…
They also namedrop Satan (translated to Devil in my subs, pronounced like sahtan, not saytan, but I gues it makes sense historically speaking). Boat of Salvation is a classic Christian imagery, too, but here the sense is different obviously. With how they're hinting towards a mass suicide(?) with that one I'm starting to wonder if there's some underlying, maybe not even fully intentional connection with the Sewol ferry disaster and that's why the writer chose a boat from all the things?
I think they are very clever with how they're playing with Christian elements for showing how cults work using parts borrowed from the main stream and hiding in a plain sight. But sometimes it hits unsettlingly close to real cult's traditions and current issues (for example: the way the pill is placed on Sang Mi's mother's tongue like a communion; child abuse swept under the rug). With that ambiguity I feel from time to time as if they could be talking about real religion and not sketchy cults only. But mostly it's a mash up of everything, aimed to look eerie and brainwash-y, and expose some mechanism of using elements of mainstream cults for their own agenda.
Fun fact: those red neon crosses seem super foreign and ominous to me, but now that I started paying attention, they aren't unseen in a city landscapes in other dramas, like it was a normal thing. I thought it was a prop made from a scratch for the drama.
This drama might suffer from many casting issues and some scandals surrounding one or two former cast members, but's there's a deeper problem with getting licenses recently, not just for this one.
http://www.dramapassion.com claims to be legal, too.
no, wait, it's a 2003 special. My mistake.
Even if Dong Cheol was there early enough to record ep 10's exorcism, I bet it could be dismissed as an internal practice of some cult, not taken as a serious, criminal matter. Police would try to go around this as they already did in other instances. And the general public has a memory of the goldfish - even if it hit big, constant stream of other shocking news would wash it within weeks. No one cares.
1. DC has a slow walk scene when other guys and Sang Mi are waiting on that construction near the lake.
2. we got to know she visited him in prison and thanked him
3. when they discuss what to do *spoiler* after saving her temporarily, other guys propose to seek help with police, but only Sang Mi & Dong Cheol are sceptical and they share a meaningful look.
4. a few microscenes of Sang Hwan and Dong Cheol positioning themselves in the room in relation to Sang Mi and/or staring at her.
Sang Hwan is the one saving her though (with the other two). Dong Cheol is usually conveniently absent and/or tied in mobsters subplot. Additionally, I don't know whether you saw it or not, but there's also a lenghty scene of Sang Hwan sharing with his catatonic mother he felt in love in SM at first sight and still has feelings for her. But SM & DC chemistry is so good. They get each other.
In episode 10 he joins the cult undercover, so I hope for more shared screentime. << lol, nope.
/ok, on second thought, there are two men into Han Sun Hwa's character, but it's extremely minor. I'm not sure how the situation with Park Se Wan and two musicians develops in the last 4 episodes, but it's also barely there.
On a sidenote, that song at the end of ep 9 was so unlike anything kdrama soundracks had to offer so far. This drama is full of surprises.
Shouldn't have spoilt myself with real history. The love triangle part was both underdeveloped and unnecessary. Frankly, I think it would be more interesting to explore relationship between brothers and their respective approach towards power and powerplays without simplifying things by focusing large portion of the conflict on the girl. Madness and cruelty of the King was first skipped over, then used as a device to make him look pitiful, then used as a pretext for replacing him. Drama!CP had way too much agency. Myung Hee's role was gradually less and less important in order to maintain the romantic image of the main pair. Stupid, passive loyalty without a broader view on the state's good was presented as something admirable.
I feel disengaged towards this drama, not the best thing after investing 20 hours. Also, a feeling that the story closer to real events would be far more interesting than the fiction isn't ideal. It had many good points, but they faded after weeks of finishing and everything fell flat. I don't know whether it's a drama fault, or it's just not what I wanted to get. Probably the latter.
/vent over.
/As many flaws Hwajeong may have, its first half or so manages to be everything this one wasn't while sharing many similar plotpoints and types of relationships between characters. So if you're disappointed with Q7D, you may want to try that one.
I think they are very clever with how they're playing with Christian elements for showing how cults work using parts borrowed from the main stream and hiding in a plain sight. But sometimes it hits unsettlingly close to real cult's traditions and current issues (for example: the way the pill is placed on Sang Mi's mother's tongue like a communion; child abuse swept under the rug). With that ambiguity I feel from time to time as if they could be talking about real religion and not sketchy cults only. But mostly it's a mash up of everything, aimed to look eerie and brainwash-y, and expose some mechanism of using elements of mainstream cults for their own agenda.
Fun fact: those red neon crosses seem super foreign and ominous to me, but now that I started paying attention, they aren't unseen in a city landscapes in other dramas, like it was a normal thing. I thought it was a prop made from a scratch for the drama.