sami14

His fans do not equal him. If you hate how a certain fan acts, how is it mature to reciprocate that behavior and hurt someone else? At least, that's how my brain functions. If those fans misbehave, that's on them and NOT the artist. You can educate them, but repeating the same behavior and continuing this vicious cycle of hate seems so ridiculous to me. It takes so much energy and effort to hate someone, so why bother investing that to hate when there's so many things you could do? If you care about your artist, support them and defend them but don't bring in other parties (that are not even personally involved).

I get it and I also feel bad for him because he's done a lot for the group and it's getting overshadowed by the cp narrative the show and ZYT are pushing on to him. It also doesn't help that ZYT is looked unfavorably by neitizens for certain actions she did but idk why they have to pull Neo with her into this mess. I simply hope that show's editing team gives him a break and stop marketing it's like a cp, but glad that because he's a tour guide now that has lessened.

Certain fans don't encompass the entire fandom, and especially the ideologies the artist has. They are separate entities and artists have no control over certain immature crazy fans. If you hate those fans' behavior, be mature and don't repeat the same thing you dislike. I like both TJR and Neo, and they seem to be good friends/colleagues. If the artists don't have problem with each other, why do y'all have? You can maturely and objectively critique a person's action(s) but stop blaming them for something the artist themself didn't do and stop making them seem like a bad person.

Hating a person based on their fandom is ridiculous. I like both TJR and Neo so I am not picking favorites here. Artists don't have a lot of control of how certain fans act, so we cannot blame them as they have no responsibility to monitor and moral police their fans. If you hate how certain fans treat your idol, then you should reflect and not enact the same behavior you dislike. Both TJR and Neo are friends and colleagues and it's unfortunate they both have certain immature fans.

Most Victoria fans don't hate him though because he actually takes care of her and does his job as a tour guide. There will always be fans attacking every member but you can't claim they represent the whole fandom. Victoria's fans have mostly been non-cp because she has been targeted in fanwars for years, so if they are truly her fan they wouldn't blame him for something ZYT did. Based on the script of the show, ZYT and Neo were supposed to be tourguides for Tanzania. However, Victoria chose Neo because she wanted a male member for accurate representation of both genders and didn't pick TJR at the end (the staff thought she would pick Hao). This basically broke apart the cp narrative the show was pushing onto Hou which in turn helped him dodge the majority of the neitizens scolding toward ZYT. I actually feel bad for him too because besides the certain crazy fans, he also had to work hard with the minimum budget along with Victoria while some other members did basically nothing.

I agree and I think the way she expressed in that particular situation was not right. If she gave her explanation without asking in an interrogative tone, it would have worked out better. However, she often has a logical explanation and her suggestions usually work in favor of the group's benefit. I was also taken aback by seeing how ZYT and Zishan made those sudden changes without discussing with Chen Hao and other members and in turn blamed her for "forcing" them when she simply was being practical. This is for an cultural exchange event and not a simple talent show.

For ZYT and Zishan, I already explained and Zishan also understood why Hao said that way after listening to her explanation because it's logical. For Deng Enxi, whenever she asked questions about acting or choosing script Hao literally puts her phone down to provide her genuine advice. That's not ignoring to me. For Zishan, because others were consoling him she felt as his teacher and an experienced actor she should share her advice because if he does want to become a top-notch actor he does have to overcome his phobia (at his own pace and own will though). I appreciate that type of advice because if I genuinely care about my profession I want someone to advice me on how to overcome it instead of simply escape it. The one thing I think is wrong is how she expressed her opinion. I never defended her for it. That should simply limit to that situation though instead of expanding it and applying to other members when it really wasn't the case and was for the group's benefit. She's always there for the members (from helping the young tour guides to arranging the travel plan and calling people to ensuring the budget was sufficient with TJR). She was the one who asked questions to the young tour guides and when she found they clearly had no idea what they were doing (in terms of budget and arranging schedule as it's their first time) she basically involved everyone to split tasks and relieve some of their burden. She didn't simply barge in, it was because they didn't have answers to the simple questions she was asking about the plan.There needs a person like her to constantly check-in because the other members barely take in-charge and finish tasks.

Why should she feel sorry for ZYT and Zishan though? It's their responsibility to work hard and deliver the best outcome possible for such an important event. However, they still had to be reminded and guided the entire time because they were indecisive. They were supposed to do it with Hao initially, but without even informing her they started practicing together as a duo causing change of plans. It's being practical because reciting poetry would deliver best result as singing is not their profession and they can't sing a solo song because they have to adjust harmonies. She foresaw it and advised them.

Now, y'all just interpreting to make her seem bad. She didn't look or respond that's so subjective. When she was checking her purse, he showed a heart sign which Victoria caught on. I think compare to other members she put in the effort for his bday and based on her personality she doesn't seem like a person to do things that she doesn't willingly want to do (this has pros and cons).

I don't understand why you think I am blindly supporting someone. I am just saying one instance cannot paint a person good or bad. For me to have a certain preference about a member, it took me multiple positive and negative scenarios to have an opinion about them. Yes, she was not asking politely and yes that was wrong but that was 1 instance. I also think Neo wasn't as transparent at communicating that like he id the 2n time because cneitzens also couldn't interpret what he was saying exactly the first time. She and Victoria were the ones who actually prepared stuff for Neo's bday while some members said they would do so and didn't. She's the one helping tour guides every ep asking members to leave on time because they always delay or wake up late affecting the plans the tour guides have arranged. She arranged the itenary for the French Cultural Exchange event and ensured the indecisive members had a plan because they were changing plans at midnight and there was low chance of those events succeeding especially for such an important cause. One action can be wrong but that doesn't define that person as good or bad. Even for ZYT who's actions were disappointing, I didn't state she was bad or a wrong person.

I know I meant to say she helped among the rest of the members. Neo and Victoria were so thankful to her. For me, I prefer people who not simply say but actually do stuff. Along with Victoria and Neo, Hao usually seems to be actually contributing to the travel plans compared to other members.

She misunderstood him but I like the way she directly asks him instead of talking behind his back. I agree though that I disliked her tone and wording of she phrased it. Neo's opinion is simply his opinion, I never crtiqued him for sharing his opinion. However, in my pov it's a little weird that he's asking others to give up their money and time for the ones paragliding. He's still my favorite male member because he's proactive and takes care of others well. I never defended saying she's completely right, I just found that there was a misunderstanding in the convo and it shouldn't picked apart to blame who's character is flawed when these 2 members along with Victoria are the ones carrying the weight of the group (and TJR). I also like Jin Chen because she's quirky and is transparent. Also, Victoria is friendly with all the guys and she acts the same way with the female members. However, certain scenes where ZYT was leaning onto Neo or sniffing him kind of weirded me out. Most cneitizens agree that Neo's interactions with other girls (except Victoria b/c she's tour guide) has been edited out to emphasize the cp. Edits of every cp exist but they are not promoted as part of the show unlike this cp. This cp is the official promotion of the show because that's how it is marketed and even in the variety show ep they are starring soon that's their concept. It's not like I dislike ZYT as she was in my top 3 cast members. However, her actions seem hypocritical to me at times and I don't see her doing her responsibility especially after she takes the initiiative to take them on. I still don't hate her but her actions leave me questioning her intentions at times. If you look at the non-edited ver. of the show and understand cneitizens lens of how the show is intentionally edited/sequenced, you will understand why they are stating the program gives her preference.

Same, I am not some hater of her because I actually like some of her work. However, at times, it feels like the production and editing team gives more preference to Zhou Yutong with how clips are edited and sequenced because the narrative is something else in bts. I liked her in first few eps, but seeing how she acts friendly yet belittles Jin Chen and puts no effort in when she claims to make me feel like she's two-faced. It's also unfortunate how her entire focus of the trip is to hype up the cp which makes it feell even more forced. If she contributed as a member while keeping that relaxed persona from beginning eps, it wouldn't have been this bad. However, seeing some of the bts and how she gives advice to others but doesn't enact it in her own life disappointed me. My last straw was how she was supposed to order cake and plan Neo's bday, but basically gave orders and Victoria and other members had to do everything. When Victoria was arranging everything with Hao even the cake and picking up Neo, she called the members to eat dinner leaving not even much left overs for the 3 of them including the bday boy (wasn't she planning the bday surprise for him?). If Neo didn't suddenly go pick-up mcdonald, those 3 wouldn't have had much food. She made it seem like she did everything when not much effort was reflected. It's a pity that these 2 tour guides are overworked and pushed into a corner in terms of budget and time, but are expected to be present in the moment and enjoy. If the members truly care about their burdens, they should try helping instead of saying empty words.

Same, I rewatched the ep and I actually under her pov better now. I think because she was straightforward and directly addressed the root of the issue it seemed like an attack on Neo when it truly wasn't. She's simply that blunt with everyone and that has its pros and cons. I wish she worded in a different way though. Personally, I prefer people like her because it's so frustrating if someone says something and does the other or nothing at all. I totally get her point of it being unfair for ones not paragliding to pitch in money and wait below for mins/hrs just to provide "emotional" support for ones paragliding under the name of team spirit. As it was planned before that the remaining members not paragliding could go shopping, Neo sharing his opinion could have been like he was changing plans (even though it wasn't his intention). If he worded it like he did the 2nd time and if Hao was willing to ask in a calmer tone, it wouldn't have escalated. I think people took it as an attack on Neo because Zhou Yutong follows-up the conversation by discussing Hao's personality being too overbearing for her and critiques her on it. When I saw that part though, I thought Zhou Yutong was more at fault because like Hao said recitation would be best option because it's easier for actors and requires less teamwork compared to singing. Furthermore, they can't be changing the program based on what fits for them at 1-2AM because this is a cultural exchange program not a simple talent show. Objectively speaking, I could see both Neo's and Hao's pov regardless of how they expressed but couldn't relate to Zhou Yutong (during this convo and her basically doing nothing even though she was supposed to for Neo's bday surprise). I have nothing against her btw.

I mean I agree with what you said. But Hao actually contributes when some members barely do. For instance, they could only book a car because she carried her international license with her as the other members left it in their check-in luggage. I do agree that her tone and the way she expresses is at times enforcing and I think she could have handled that situation way maturely with Neo but I think making her a villain is also a bit too much when there are some members in non-edited version of eps doing nothing and simply manipulating others. This is not targeted to your comment btw.

Don't pull Victoria in this. People argue and then learn about each other. I do agree that Hao could have expressed it in a different way though. Victoria was the one who arranged everything for Neo's birthday even though Zhou Yutong was the one who "initiated it" and was supposed to order cake. Victoria was the one who got the cake and then went with Hao to stage and pick up Neo for the surprise. The members ate and barely left any left overs for Hao, Victoria and Neo (even the bday boy only had left overs because Yutong called everyone to eat and Victoria was busy following up with Neo and others for surprise and didn't have time to eat). Thankfully, Neo grabbed Mcdonalds for him and the elder sisters. Unfortunately, a lot of scenes are edited or removed of the people who put in the work which is why cnetz look unfavorably at Zhou Yutong and some of the members because they say they will do stuff but take no action/initiative to do it.

She definitely has as a different definition of "responsible" than most people do. Also, in some eps she admits that Yongwoo is attention-seeking and not that responsible but still fell for him. She was simply physically attracted and needed justifications to not seem supercficial. Her reason was YW being responsible which one of the worst if not the worst justification because she herself knows that's false.

Poor Sesung gets used by YW and also gets blamed by JS and audience for miunderstanding when clearly both guys can't speak clearly and give assurance. If only they could have mature and honest conversation, there would be no misunderstandings in the first place. It's so frustrating to see people blame Sesung for not decoding Jungsub because at this age why does he have to be decoded?!

Yes, I agree😭 green flags deserve each other and seems like all 4 prioritize their lover and give assurance!!

I think Sesung was clear and expressive about what she's looking for in their relationship which is a future. She said she's future-oriented which could be getting to know each other outside the show not automatically becoming a couple. If Jungsub transparently conveyed his feelings like he did in interview, it would have not even escalated. However, he phrases it as if he never thought about their future until Sesung took initiative to ask. Then, he asks questions like her job (which is okay), but without context and without giving her assurance it seems more like he's finding excuses to why their relationship outside won't work instead of finding solutions surrounding it. Most members are busy but they still came to this show for a long-term relationship instead of a fling on a show. If he said "yes, I want to leave this show with you because I'm interested in getting to know you better outside and see if we can enter a relationship. In that case with our busy schedules and major upcoming changes in life, how can we navigate our relationship outside to make it work?" If he showed his consideration for a future, then Sesung would have been completely okay but again it's always her who pours her heart out and takes initiative while he gives vague answers. I don't blame Jungsub for being on a different phase, but his lack of transparent communication, blaming Sesung for misunderstanding him when his answers create that confusion, and only thinking about future after she nudged him make him seem odd to me.