There are a ton of connections between Shakespeare’s play and Lost Romance but I’m just going to start with the title, which refers to the 12th day of Christmas (Epiphany) which in Pre-Reformation England would have been celebrated as a kind of carnival (think Carnival, Mardi Gras, Fasching, etc. though those happen at a different time ). On this holiday, social rules would be inverted, so masters would become servants and vice-versa, women would dress as men and vice-versa, and so forth. By the time the play was written, this celebration would be mostly a thing of the past.
The parallels to Lost Romance start right with the poster, in which we see the main scene literally inverted at the top. But there are other references: in the opening monologue in which Xiao En is reading from a romance novel, the “overbearing CEO” describes Ming Li as much as He Tianxing (so for example as it’s talking about the CEO’s mouth we see her putting on her lipstick). If anything, she embodies the words more fully than he does, especially in terms of her arrogance, the deference of her staff, etc.
The most obvious reference to 12th Night as a holiday in the book world that I can see is that AuRan has a Christmas tree in his living room. Can anyone think of any other indications about the date?
Anyway, the general significance of this part of the reference is, to my mind, that we should expect a lot of things to be inverted. Obviously, the FL and the villainess are going to be inverted in the book world. Xiao En’s tendency to boss AuRan around seems like another inversion. Gender roles might not line up the way we expect them to, and those in power may be overthrown.
Originally I thought QingFeng was the author because in the poster he sitting right behind FL with a book that seems to be glowing and then in the little snapshots in the drama he picks up the book before handing her a rose. But the more I see of him I can’t help but want him to have a bigger role than just a side character or just the author.
Also I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed the Christmas tree, your connection is much better than mine. I was like the ML must be secretly lazy that he cba to take it down or is super prepared for Christmas ?
In terms of the 12th night, ML brother had to stop his sister from killing him at the hospital saying it’s gonna be obvious if he dies now when they just transferred him. And then the sister was like she’ll wait like 2 weeks before attempting to kill him again, so I’m confused whether this coma is only actually gonna last upto 2 weeks? Whilst time goes quicker in the story world.
Ark1:Originally I thought QingFeng was the author because in the poster he sitting right behind FL with a book that seems to be glowing and then in the little snapshots in the drama he picks up the book before handing her a rose. But the more I see of him I can’t help but want him to have a bigger role than just a side character or just the author.
Also I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed the Christmas tree, your connection is much better than mine. I was like the ML must be secretly lazy that he cba to take it down or is super prepared for Christmas ?
In terms of the 12th night, ML brother had to stop his sister from killing him at the hospital saying it’s gonna be obvious if he dies now when they just transferred him. And then the sister was like she’ll wait like 2 weeks before attempting to kill him again, so I’m confused whether this coma is only actually gonna last upto 2 weeks? Whilst time goes quicker in the story world.
I wasn't thinking at all about the two week time frame in the real world! Now I'm trying to figure out how the different timelines line up (or don't). Another Christmas tree sighting in the book world: When Qing Feng takes Xiao En out to eat in episode three there appears to be a Christmas tree in front of the building, though maybe that's just a lit up tree?
On a non-12th Night related note…
I'm really getting into the possibility (Lily mentioned this in the comments) that Qing Feng and Au Ran are two sides of He Tian Xing. Here's some supporting thoughts:
1) Because I really want him to be! I never ever get SLS and Marcus Chang is a thing of beauty and a joy forever, but it makes me so sad to think of Qing Feng disappearing into pure fiction!
2) We don't see much of He Tian Xing's personality in the first episode but what we see looks very different from Au Ran's. He actually shows a lot of restraint, deliberation, and gravitas (more like Qing Feng in fact). Rather than seeing himself as being on top of the heap he talks about being a brick that is moved whenever others want him moved. The opening scene might trick us into thinking that he's like the "overbearing CEO" character being described, but as I noted above, much of the description applies to Ming Li as much as, if not more than, to He Tian Xing.
3) In episode 3, Xiao En flashes back to an interview she saw in which He Tian Xing provided her with comfort and a "haven" in a critical moment. In the interview, He Tian Xing says the him everyone sees is the him he's willing to show everyone. The interviewer then asks, "are you saying you have more than one side?" and he answers, "Of course. Everyone does." He also gives that French quote to the effect that you should be an adult in the storm and a child in the sun. When the electricity goes out during the storm (someone--maybe on Soompi?--pointed out that Xiao En's shirt during this scene actually says "after the storm" in French), Au Ran acts in a very childlike way, grabbing on to Xiao En's sleeve and folllowing her like a frightened kid. In fact, his behavior at least through episode 7 is childlike in both good and bad ways--he's impulsive and emotional but also playful and vulnerable. But Qing Feng is much more thoughtful and reserved. And, let’s be honest, a lot smarter.
4) In episode 2, Xiao En pours through various novels in order to form her strategy for surviving the book world, and she comes to a crucial conclusion: feelings between the ML and FL grow every time "the hero saves the damsel." Except for Au Ran saving her from the freezer truck, up through episode 7, either she is saving him OR Qing Feng is saving her--not from physical danger, but by almost magically appearing on the scene whenever she needs him (and even with the freezer truck, he's the one who hears shouts coming from it). The previews for episode 8 suggest that this trend is goign to continue for at least a while.
Am I overthinking? Probably. But it’s helping me hold on till tomorrow and Episode 8…
"I'm really getting into the possibility (Lily mentioned this in the comments) that Qing Feng and Au Ran are two sides of He Tian Xing. "
I'm hoping the same thing and I've mentioned as much on twitter as well. I don't want Qing Feng's character to just disappear into oblivion once the story returns to the real world. Personally I think it would be an interesting twist and also another parody of a very classic drama trope. If that were to be the case it would be interesting to watch onscreen. It would kind of imply that a lot ML and 2 ML would form a whole if put together. Two sides of the same person personified in the fictional world are falling for the same woman and go against their pre-written storyline.
I don't really have anything to base that theory on. Just hope.
Chris:Personally I think it would be an interesting twist and also another parody of a very classic drama trope. If that were to be the case it would be interesting to watch onscreen. It would kind of imply that a lot ML and 2 ML would form a whole if put together.
Probably more wishful thinking, but I noticed that the screenwriter also did Someone Like You, which also deals with questions of shared identity, albeit in a very different way (spoiler): ML falls for his dead fiancee's sister (not as bad as it sounds) but then things get complicated when said fiancee's heart is donated to another woman who starts to take on her personality. Hope I did the spoiler right because it's my first time! I'm grasping at so many straws :).
So I'm probably making too much use of the Twelfth Night reference, but as of Episode 8 I am not at all convinced that He Tian Jian is not the evil mastermind some people have been suggesting he is, and part of my thinking is that he's meant to be seen as Sir Andrew Aguecheek, who is a very garishly dressed and dim guy who means more or less well but is getting thoroughly fleeced by Olivia's uncle. This uncle is also trying to get him together with Olivia. I know not everything lines up but I'm tempted to see the uncle as Uncle Hu (I'm assuming Uncle Hu is not a real uncle, more like an honorific for a family friend? But I'm not sure). In this reading, He Tian Jian is just a bumbling fool, not The Bad Guy. I guess we're going to see his book world persona in Episode 9 so we'll see how far off I am (one note: Sir Andrew's hair is described as "flax" which is often used to describe blondes).
Jenn:Ahhhh everyone has such interesting and fascinating theories! I don't know how I feel about Qing Feng being a half of Tian Xing. It makes me sad thinking about how he's not his own person in the real world :(
Same here! I want him to have his own life and storyline :( He's just too good and precious.
The music playing as He TianXing falls from the building seems to me to be ripped straight outta paying homage to "Hallucination" from Kill Me, Heal Me. I know this is a huge stretch, though I feel the parodies of kdramas in Episode 6 give me a tiny excuse, but I really want to harness the plot of Kill Me, Heal Me in support of my wishful thinking that QingFeng and AuRan are two sides of He TianXing. Spoilers follow: So obviously, KMHM features a split personality, but it's not just that--the two main personalities form the ML and the SML, and the FL is clearly attracted to both. In the end, the SML personality has to "disappear," though there's (if I recall correctly) the suggestion that it's a kind of reintegration. There's also the theme of child abuse in the form of locking a child in the dark as a punishment. I'm not even sure I buy this, so I'm not really expecting anyone else to, but as always I'd love to hear what others think!
Trailer for episode 10 is out and there was some interesting points I wanted to talk about
- Ao Ran seems to be experiencing flashes from TianXing and is starting to wonder who 'TianXing' is.
- AoRan asking, " Zheng Xiao En, where did this fella come from?"
- XiaoEn appeared in the novel world suddenly but she arrived with a position and character setting.
- Senior editor in the real world said that the novel XiaoEn didn't appear until midway in the story. Therefore, she was was likely inserted into the world by force... this will likely lead to so sort of plot hole.
- If the characters attempt to track XiaoEn's past, what will they find?
- Would the story have replicated XiaoEn's history in the real world? It might not make sense why she's working at the company if so, she lived and worked a completely different job in real life.
- Her history and past is non-existent. They look but nothing can be identified.
- Aoran becoming aware of his feelings for XiaoEn?
- MoRan Interacting with XiaoEn
- Strong feelings of distress from XiaoEn in episode 9, curious show she begins to interact with him in ep 10
- How much of the novel character's life affects their real world counterparts? We know that whatever hurts XiaoEn and AoRan in the story, their real bodies are negatively affected as well.
- What about those that have counterparts in both worlds but are not connected to them like the MCs are.
- What Does XiaoEn have to do to go back to the real world and What does TianXing have to do to go back? I think they have to reverse engineer their way back via the way they entered the world.
- XiaoEn will go back if she gets sick and dies. Any other way will likely lead to her death in reality.
- I think TianXing might have to fall off a building. Blacking out seems to only puts his real body into a state of of distress.
In my opinion Qingfeng is burning because :
1) he's going against the authors plot by liking Qiao En instead of chuchu
2) Maybe he is disappearing from novel world slowly because his counterpart don't exist in real world unlike Aoran.
3) or at the end of drama maybe he will transported into the real world.
4) maybe he is slowly realising that he is merely a character in novel and Qiao En is the author.
5) Or he is stuck in fictional world not his soul like Qiao En and Oran .
There are various interesting theory going around qingfeng some of them are really very mysterious. I wish screen writers could see these theories. I don't think that writers will show the much anticipated reason of qingfeng's burning.
Going to the plot I think that following scenarios may /should happen :
1) By end of the drama MingLi should regret all about her wrong doings and apologize to He Tian xing. Same for He Tian Jian. The master mind behind all these evil scheming uncle should be sent to prison. I think maybe he's the reason behind He Tian xing father's family fight. Sole reason for MingLi to hate her brothers is her mother. So she should also regret and repent for her mistakes.
2) He Tian xing father should also apologize to He Tian xing for ignoring that what his wife and children were doing to his son and also apologize to MingLi for not understanding her.
3) He Tian xing should leave the company for good and start his own company. Qiao En and He Tian xing should end up together with a proper ending not a rushed ending where viewers are confused by ending.
*Many viewers are liking Qiao En and Qingfeng because they have more screen time as compared to aoran and Qiao En but can't expect scenes between FL and ML so early in the drama as drama is going to be end up on October with 20 episodes. Aoran and Qiao En have a potential story in real world also. We will see scenes between FL and ML by the end of episode 13-14. I am rooting for aoran and Qiao En. Qingfeng can be seen as a good friend of Qiao En as he cares for her but aoran and Qiao En look great together But I do hope that qingfeng too gets a proper ending.
The points above are really interesting; I'm especially turning these questions over in my head:
Lily Lam:How much of the novel character's life affects their real world counterpart? We know that whatever hurt to XiaoEn and AoRan in the story will negatively affect their real world bodies' as well.
What about those that have counterparts in both worlds but are not connected to them like the MCs are.
What Does XiaoEn have to do to go back to the real world and What does TianXing have to do to go back? I think they have to reverse engineer their way via the way they entered the world.
XiaoEn will go back if she gets sick and dies. Any other way will likely lead to her death in reality.
I think TianXing might have to fall off a building. Blacking out seems to only puts his real body into a state of of distress.
I didn't realize until episode 8 that XiaoEn's friend Lin ChunTian had a different (but related) name. Her presence seems unique--she's the only actual friend of XiaoEn's who shows up in the novel world (come to think of it, XiaoEn never even saw the "real" ChuChu from a distance). I wonder if it's her physical contact with the real XiaoEn that's allowing her into what otherwise seems like He TianXing's world.
The question of reverse engineering is a good one (but scary! Poor TianXing!). I rewatched the scene in which he blacks out and realized--he's actually holding ChuChu's arm in the same way he holds XiaoEn's a) when he grabs it in the real world, b) when he grabs it during the power outage as she's falling asleep and c) when he grabs it at the end of Episode 9. Also the music that evokes Kill Me Heal Me is playing during the montage that follows. So falling and reaching out do seem to be powerful symbols of what's going on with the AoRan/TianXing connection.
Phroggies:I didn't realize until episode 8 that XiaoEn's friend Lin ChunTian had a different (but related) name. Her presence seems unique--she's the only actual friend of XiaoEn's who shows up in the novel world (come to think of it, XiaoEn never even saw the "real" ChuChu from a distance). I wonder if it's her physical contact with the real XiaoEn that's allowing her into what otherwise seems like He TianXing's world.
I think the people in the story world is made of people with familiar faces to XiaoEn (XE) and He TianXing (TX). With the exception of AoRan and MoRan, Their names are variants of the OG world counterpart.
- ChunTian (real) ---> Qiu Tian (novel)
- btw XE only has one friend in the real world. She doesn't have relatives nor was she closed to anyone aside from Chun Tian. I think she is the sole person XE misses from her OG world.
- Also wanted to note that QiuTian does not equate to ChunTian in XE's eyes. They are different enough that XE considers them two different people (which I fully respect).
- Susana ---> Susan
- TX's best friend in the real world. XE has probably seen her a couple of times.
- Lin Chu Chu ---> Chu Chu
- Lol she doesn't have a last name?!?! The author of the novel world really wrote every halfheartedly
- AoRan, Moran is the only other person to have shown up with a completely name to their real world counterpart
Everybody, that holds some significance, in the story world is either apart of TX's life or XE's. This makes QingFeng's existence even more precarious in my opinion. There are plenty of real world people that didn't make it into the story, and yet why is there one that is original to the story. Is it because neither leads know anybody that would fit the warm-hearted persona? But It doesn't seem like the story characters replicate their original counterpart's personalities. Maybe only people they have some degree of good will towards gets a pass in.
Phroggies:The question of reverse engineering is a good one (but scary! Poor TianXing!). I rewatched the scene in which he blacks out and realized--he's actually holding ChuChu's arm in the same way he holds XiaoEn's a) when he grabs it in the real world, b) when he grabs it during the power outage as she's falling asleep and c) when he grabs it at the end of Episode 9. Also the music that evokes Kill Me Heal Me is playing during the montage that follows. So falling and reaching out do seem to be powerful symbols of what's going on with the AoRan/TianXing connection.
I thought of them waking up with the ending of the novel but what would be considered an ending. In normal overbearing president stories, the ML and FL of the novel would get married and maybe have kids... that's probably not going to happen with the way the story is progressing. There is no true ending in life until death, which lead me to the conclusion they will probably have to die? to get back home.
I think grabbing and falling is a powerful theme for TX, It's also what connected XE and TX's fates for the first time. I don't what to make of it though...
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