liddi:
AH :
Seeing how Chi You was scapegoated for the war is rather infuriating.
Yes. Then again history is always written from the POV of the victor... so Chi Chen's villification is frustrating, but not unexpected.
Chi you was depicted and considered as villain by many noble clans in Shen Nong Kingdom during his time already.
blabla100:"Is Jing Ye prettier, or is Lan Xiang prettier?”
I always thought the reason why XY repeatedly asked Jing this question is to put him on guard, because she thought one of them betrayed him.
No, It was WXL asked Jing about Jing Ye and Lan Xiang. At that time, there was not any suggestion about betrayal from Jing's maid.
In my view, it just shows WXL was not interested in his business, his family. She just knew that he had 2 private maids. She had no common hobby or interest with Jing. She did not have topic to talk with him. Thus, she just asked such nonsense thing. Jing's fan always says that WXL was jealous with his maids. LOL, WXL even did not care how he looked by that time, why did she care for who was prettier,
AH :10 hours ago
solarlunareclipse:
There is other evidence that points to XY going to the East Sea to look for Xiang Liu. For instance, the title of the chapter, "Thinking of My Dearest Daily to No Avail," is derived from a poem that describes a situation similar to the one between XY and XL.
The poetry analysis is interesting. I agree with H19279's observation that the poem has aspects that are applicable to both YaoJing and YaoLiu at that point in the story and that the "when will this hatred end?" line seems to most closely apply to YaoLiu's dynamic and the conflict between Xuan Yuan and Shengnong that has played such a big role in keeping them apart. Although I would point out that Tushan Clan dynamics (mainly the hatred that TSH had for TSJ) also played a major role in keeping XY and TSJ apart, culminating in TSH trying to kill TSJ and succeeding in heavily wounding him before he disappeared in chapter 42, resulting in XY and TSJ being apart in chapter 43.
While I do think that the poem and chapter title can be viewed as relating to YaoLiu, I don't think that the chapter title serves as evidence that supports the idea that XY went to the East Sea, and intentionally put herself in danger there, in the hope that she would see XL.
I regard the poem as a whole, not only the sentence that was used as the chapter title. The ultimate message from the poem for me is XY's thought and wish that they (both XL and XY) still thought about each other and "I wish your heart would be like mine". She sang the fei fei song while in the carriage with Cang Xuan. In my opinion at that time she thought about XL.
Was she thinking of XL daily? Maybe. Did she miss him? Maybe. However, as expressed in my post ti @solarlunareclipse previously, I was not convinced by the idea that XY delibrately went to the trap in order to catch XL's attention. Actually, I now think the if XY thought of XL, that thought would scared her and she desperately need Jing to supress that and it could motivate her to take every chance to find Jing back.
Previously, We (@AH, @windiaa and I) had a discussion about the night right before Yao-Jing's planned wedding date, thus it was also a night with very round moon. XY woke up from a dream and she came to open the window to see if Jing came back. She also told Miao Pu that she had never dreamed of Jing. There was a bit of debate how to understand "never dreamed of Jing". However, in the narrowest meaning, XY did not dream of Jing since his missing. So, XY must have dreamed of something or someone else. https://mydramalist.com/discussions/lost-you-forever/110123-xl-and-xy-story-and-romance-warning-spoilers?pid=2907185&page=427#p2907185
In chapter 43, when XY saw XL in front of her in the whirlpool
随着水流旋转的速度越来越快,大涡流的力量越来越强大,一声巨响,水晶棺轰然碎裂。小夭“啊”一声尖叫,闭上眼睛,却没有感受到刹那间碎裂成肉末的痛苦。
她缓缓睁开眼睛,在天旋地转中,看到相柳白衣飘拂,屹立在她身前,飞扬的白发张开,犹如一双巨大的鸟儿翅膀,将小夭轻柔地呵护在中间,阻隔住了大涡流撕碎一切的巨大力量。
小夭几疑似梦,呆呆地看着相柳。
As the water spun faster and faster, the power of the vortex became stronger and stronger. With a loud bang, the crystal coffin shattered. Xiaoyao screamed "Ah" and closed her eyes, but she did not feel the pain of being shattered into minced meat in an instant.
She slowly opened her eyes, and in the midst of the world spinning, she saw Xiangliu standing in front of her in fluttering white clothes, with his flying white hair spread out, like a pair of huge bird wings, gently protecting Xiaoyao in the middle, blocking the huge force of the vortex that would tear everything apart.
Xiaoyao seemed to be dreaming, staring blankly at Xiangliu. (Chapter 43)
There are many way to express the unbelievable suprise. I believe that TH gave a hint here by using the word "dreaming". Is that because she used to dream of XL? Had she ever stop thinking or dreaming of him during that 42 years of engagement? She needed so many years to suppress her pain of losing XL. The medical book was completed but she only remembered of the wedding when Jing urged her. She had no reasonable reason to postpone it any longer. During that 42 year, she had had a calm life, using work and Jing to cure the pain in her heart and move on with her goal of having a life-time companion. And now, the chosen guy suddently disappeared. Her hope shattered. It also mean the subsitude guy who helped her suppress her feeling for XL was gone. But XY also knew that she and XL took their own paths. He had stepped out of her life. I now have the feeling that she vowed the the moon (just right after the the dream in chapter 42) as being Jing's wife, a title, identity as she used to suppress her thought of XL.
All the recent discussion about resurrection and reincarnation reminds me of a song 有翡 With Fei, from the recent Cdrama 难寻 Hard to Find's OST which never fails to move me to tears. The drama itself is one of the rare, understated gems of recent viewing fare with characters I root for, particularly Feng Yuan, who is such an awesome heroine - level-headed, courageous and strong despite being gentle and vulnerable.
Back to the song. The lyrics of the song should have originally been based on the Legend of Fei - with the reference to 翡 Fei (周翡 Zhou Fei), 洗墨江 Ximo River (where she first meets 谢允 Xie Yun who is dying from a poison in his body) etc.
However, it is the imagery and meaning behind the lyrics that breaks my heart and reminds me so much of Xiao Yao's perspective when she finally loses Xiang Liu, and that last line "What do you look like now?" implies a plaintive hope that she might finally see him once more, even if he no longer looks the same, is no longer the same person, reincarnated, or resurrected.
有翡 | With Fei |
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世事悲 相逢萍水 | Amidst the sorrows of the world, we meet by chance |
人事微 蓬岛长睡 | Human affairs are trivial, we sleep for a long time on the Penglai Island |
向梦中 山花如翡 | In the dream, the mountain flowers are like jade |
只盼故人归 | Only hoping for the return of the one from my past. |
游龙飞 推云遮晖 | The wandering dragon flies, pushing clouds to block the sunlight, |
惊鸿追 破雪摧危 | The startled wild geese pursues, breaking the snow and destroying the danger |
二十载 弃身成匪 | Twenty years, abandoning my life to become a bandit |
洗墨江上 留下谁 | Who was left behind at Ximo River |
现实一桩桩 拆碎我仅有的希望 | Reality after reality, rips apart my only hope |
冷刃一层层 卷起我窥见的天光 | Layer after layer of cold blades, roll up my glimpse of the skylight |
信笺早已泛黄 徒留落寂两行 | The letters have long yellowed, leaving only two lines of loneliness and desolation, |
故园也添了风霜 | The old home is now covered with wind and frost |
燕子一双双 吸引我艳羡的目光 | Pairs of swallows attract my envious gaze |
梦里一幕幕 是我到不了的地方 | Scene after scene in dreams, are places I can no longer reach |
君埋黄泉销骨 我寄人间满霜 | You are buried in the grave, bones eroded; I linger in the mortal realm, covered in frost |
你又是什么模样 | What do you look like now? |
H19279:Chi you was depicted and considered as villain by many noble clans in Shen Nong Kingdom during his time already.
I finally started reading Once Promised - having just covered 8 chapters with A Heng and the badly wounded Chi Chen just arriving at Bai Li with A Bi and Lie Yang. Truly loving it so far, and could hardly put it down. It is so great to finally read the backstory of the different kingdoms and characters. You're right. It is so ironic that even among those in Shen Nong, Chi Chen seemed to be feared but looked down upon, similar in some way to how Xiang Liu was treated years later, again by those whom he was fighting for:
Xiling Heng walked slowly up to him and scrutinised him carefully. "After you left last night, I just realised that even for a highly skilled deity, not many could escape unscathed after stealing treasures from the underground palace of Jade Mountain. It was you who saved me on Bo Fu Mountain, wasn't it? Who exactly are you?"
"I am who I am."
Xiling Heng was furious. "Don't lie to me anymore. I mean your real name!"
"The shamans of the Bai Li tribe call me the Beast King. As for the deities on Shen Nong mountain, some call me beast (savage), others call me animal (brute). Master and Yu Xiang call me Chi Chen."
Chi Chen's words were calm but Xiling Heng felt an inexplicable ache in her heart, and she murmured softly, "Your spiritual powers are not weak, so I thought you were some renowned hero of the deity clans. Who knew you are not well-known after all."
-- Once Promised, Vol 1 Ch4
Xiao Liu could not help but burst into laughter and ended up choking on his saliva, so he grabbed Xiang Liu's arm in a hurry. "You... you... didn't you say that you detest people calling you Nine-headed monster the most? Nine heads is a taboo topic for you. Whoever dares to mention it will be killed by you."
"You are still alive."
Xiao Liu mumbled, "Alive for now."
"What I detest is not them talking about me being a nine-headed monster, but the disdain and contempt in their hearts. I allow you to mention it because..." Xiang Liu turned over, propped his arm under his head, lying on his side on the surface of the water and looked at Xiao Liu. "You ridicule and make fun of me verbally, but deep down in your heart, you never truly thought that a nine-headed demon is strange."
Xiao Liu smiled and said, "That's because I used to be even weirder than you."
-- Lost You Forever, Vol 1 Ch7
It is intriguing to see the Shao Hao of his youth - appearing gentle, but chilling, hiding so much in the deep recesses of his soul. Even the dynamics between Qing Yang and Shao Hao is fascinating - two fast friends, yet warily circling each other, knowing that one day, they will very likely go against each other. And it would appear, at least in the early chapters, that in the end, their ultimate loyalty is still to their own kingdom, outweighing any friendship. In contrast, Chi Chen has far less guile, certainly more direct and upfront. Teared up reading about how Xie Zu wanted A Heng to live life to the fullest before her status imprisons her within the palace walls, just as I was deeply moved to see the happy scene of the mother and her 3 children together, knowing that such happy times will soon be a thing of the past.
blabla100:That's a very interesting take, I never linked the colors that FFB's used to the ice crystal wind chimes from Jing's residence. I don't know if they hint to the resurrection theory, a bit of a strech IMO, but I can see a connection there.
Let me clarify the explanation, since my previous explanation was very wordy.
The wind chime color order predicts the order of assassination attempts/deaths. Wind chimes were mentioned right after XL's first assassination attempt on CX and right before XL's successful assassination of Feng Long.
- Scarlet red = FFB
- Bamboo green = Jing
- Purple indigo = Feng Long
- Moonlight white lotus = XL
XY's dress color order predicts the order of XY's weddings and hints at a XL's resurrection as FFB. FFB changed XY's dress different colors at Feng Long and Xin Yue's birthday party. Birthday parties and weddings are both social gatherings.
- White = XL (PLB transfer = wedding)
- Violet = Feng Long
- Green = Jing
- Red = FFB
Tong Hua didn't arbitrarily make the order of the wind chime colors the exact opposite of the order of dress colors. The color orders definitely mean something. Whether TH actually meant for the orders to mean what I interpret them to mean is up for debate. I'd be curious if anyone has other interpretaions for the color orders.
blabla100:" In the end, because of his greed, Jing suffered a fate as bleak as the other fox: he had the majority of his tails chopped off, lost his wealth, status, and life's work, and forever lived in the shadow of his love rival."
I agree. Great analysis.
Thank you :-). This is why I don't feel bad at all for Jing that XY used him as a substitute/mask for XL. He comes off as being inept, but he's actually just super shady--especially at the beginning. That said, his feelings for XY probably evolve to something approximating love as the novel goes on, just like XY grows to deeply care for him, like she cares for her closest family members.
blabla100:"Is Jing Ye prettier, or is Lan Xiang prettier?”
I always thought the reason why XY repeatedly asked Jing this question is to put him on guard, because she thought one of them betrayed him.
H19279:No, It was WXL asked Jing about Jing Ye and Lan Xiang. At that time, there was not any suggestion about betrayal from Jing's maid.
In my view, it just shows WXL was not interested in his business, his family. She just knew that he had 2 private maids. She had no common hobby or interest with Jing. She did not have topic to talk with him. Thus, she just asked such nonsense thing. Jing's fan always says that WXL was jealous with his maids. LOL, WXL even did not care how he looked by that time, why did she care for who was prettier,
Agree that the question isn't because XY thought they might have betrayed Jing. Jing was too powerful to be injured by a couple of maids. Also, this was before CX intercepted the medicine meant for XL's men, so there was no reason to suspect the maids of leaking information yet.
I also agree that WXL was probably not jealous. She didn't like Jing romantically at that point (or ever). Her intention in asking who was prettier was probably to tease Jing and make him uncomfortable and because she was curious as to Jing's feelings on Jing Ye, given how clearly devoted Jing Ye was to Jing. There's also the matter that Shi Qi had promised he would always do what she said even if people he was familiar with showed up. The question may have been a passive-aggressive reminder to him that he broke his previous promise by going back to being TSJ.
AH :If Jing slept in this ocean then she would rather be here with him.
This translation is not accurate. A more accurate translation is, "Since Jing was sleeping in this sea, she was willing to be with him." I think there is a big difference between "was willing" vs. "would rather." I also think she thought this because she was momentarily overcome with grief, but she wasn't suicidal going into the situation.
AH :I do think there are times where the neutral narrator's voice in the novel presents information about XY's thoughts, feelings or intentions that I think is meant to be taken as it is presented.
I agree that the narrator probably wouldn't outright lie. That said, I think the narrator can be cunning just like XY, so you may think the narrator means one thing, but they actually mean another. Also like XY, the narrator may intentionally omit information and not give the whole picture. Based on the narration, I agree that XY was genuinely very sad about TSJ and was upset to have her hopes dashed that he was alive, no matter how minuscule. However, this doesn't necessarily mean she didn't go into the situation also hoping that XL would come save her.
AH :If XY simply wanted to put her life in danger in order to compel XL to come and save her, then there would be no reason for XY to ask the seagull demon why XY should believe the seagull demon before getting on the ship and no reason for XY to confirm that the jade plant wine wouldn't harm her before drinking it.
I think XY was willing to take large risks, but wasn't suicidal. I agree that the narration confirms that at least part of the reason XY came was because she was hoping to really save Jing, and was willing to put herself in extreme danger to do it.
However, it may not be the whole reason because the narrator may have omitted the other reasons. Another reason for her coming might have been to get an answer to, "If I die, can you live?" that she asked XL earlier, but didn't get a response to.
Even if she missed XL or wanted to test him, there was a reason for her to be cautious about putting herself in a situation that even he would not have been able to save her from.
AH :The risk of telling Miao Pu was quite limited because XY already knew that Miao Pu was loyal to her and that Miao Pu would follow her orders to go with her and to not tell anyone else about it.
The message said not to tell anyone. It didn't say it's ok to tell people she knew were loyal to her. Besides, at this point, XY fully trusted CX, so what was wrong with the information getting to him?
AH :If that was the case, why would she instruct Miao Pu to go get Xiao Xiao and even to gather the Xuan Yuan army to bring them to that location if it did turn out to be a trap? Bringing the Xuan Yuan army to the location where XL was saving her should be the very last thing that XY would want to happen.
XY thought Xiao Xiao was coming anyway and was only two or three hours behind, so all Miao Pu would do is wait for her. As for the Xuan Yuan army, they were only to be involved if something really did happen to her. So if XL saved her, then there would be no reason to involve the Xuan Yuan army.
AH :However, the East Sea being "like" XL's home is not relevant to XY's chances of seeing XL after putting herself in danger. While the East Sea might be "like" XL's home in some senses, there would be no guarantee that he would be anywhere near the East Sea on that particular night. He could have been with the Shengnong remanant army outside of QS town. Or he could have been in the far north for all XY knew. Or in any other part of Dahuang, although he'd have to be extra careful in most parts that were under CX's control. And if XY were under the impression that XL would come save her if her life was in danger no matter what / no matter where she was, then the fact that the danger occurred in a place that was "like" XL's home would be irrelevant.
I don't think XY knew that XL would save her no matter what. I think she wanted to test whether he would or not. You're right that there was no guarantee XL was in QST, but XY probably thought QST was the most likely place he could be, especially since he killed his FFB identity, and the entire world was controlled by CX. Obviously, the closer XL was, the more likely he would have been able to save her in time, so it made sense for her to put herself in danger close to where she thought XL was likely to be.
Add to that the fact the PLB works in mysterious ways. XL found her on the boat after she saw the voodoo king. I'm guessing he wasn't stalking her so either she signaled to him to come or he sensed her nearby and came. It's reasonable to assume that whatever happened to get him to come last time could happen again.
AH :There are moments elsewhere in the novel where XY is described as being in a daze when she is thinking of XL (e.g., after she finds out that the bugs are called Lovers Bugs in chapter 26). However, I think it would be a mistake to assume if XY is described as being in a daze at any point throughout the novel, that always must mean she is thinking of XL.
I did a search for the word "发呆" (daze). The first time it appears is after XL told WXL to work for him if he wanted to live. I think all the other instances of when XY is in a daze can be attributed to her thinking about XL. I'll publish the full findings later in a separate post, but I don't think this instance is an exception to the rule, especially since XY is in the sea. That said, XY thinking of XL in this moment doesn't necessarily mean her purpose in coming to the East Sea was to test XL by putting her life in danger. Even if her sole purpose in coming to the East Sea was to save Jing, we could still interpret her thinking of XL to be a contributing factor (in addition to saving Miao Pu) in getting her to decide to take action to get herself out of that situation alive.
AH :While I do think that the poem and chapter title can be viewed as relating to YaoLiu, I don't think that the chapter title serves as evidence that supports the idea that XY went to the East Sea, and intentionally put herself in danger there, in the hope that she would see XL.
For me, the YaoLiu vibes of the poem make me think of YaoLiu at the end of chapter 43 when XY and XL are on the boat. Not the beginning of the chapter when XY decides to go to the East Sea.
Agree that it doesn't serve as evidence of her intent in going to the East Sea. It could just apply to her being upset that XL suggested breaking their PLB connection, which she didn't want at this point.
liddi:All the recent discussion about resurrection and reincarnation reminds me of a song 有翡 With Fei, from the recent Cdrama 难寻 Hard to Find's OST which never fails to move me to tears.
It's a beautiful song. Thanks for pointing it out. I never paid attention to the lyrics before. I picked up the drama after you recommended it earlier. I'm currently on episode 19.
AH :So I personally prefer the idea of reincarnation for XL, rather than resurrection.
Compelling argument for reincarnation vs resurrection - thank you for sharing! I personally do not see the two as the same either.
Resurrection is picking up where he left off in the life he lived... and Xiang Liu himself stated that it was better to have died rather than living with the memories of the brothers-in-arms who did not survive.
“He used to be under Chi Chen’s command, a survivor of the final battle at Ji Province. Continuing to live with the memories of all his comrades who perished, he might as well have died.” Xiang Liu smiled. “Actually, for a general, the best ending is to die on the battlefield.”
-- Vol 2 Ch12 (Chapter 29)
However, if he had been resurrected, having died fighting to the last with the rest of the Shen Nong resistance army, could Xiang Liu have finally come to accept that he did do right by them, had given his all and honoured his comrades in life and death. And that his second chance at life was another way of honouring the memories of those who died, those whom no one else know and remember? It is a cruel, painful existence to be sure, but could he, in time, have finally come to accept that living and living well is the best way of honouring their sacrifices, similar to Little Yan Zhuan:
Yan Zhuan’s death represented the imperial integrity of the royal family's heart for their homeland, so how was Little Yan Zhuan’s survival not an alternate manifestation of the same imperial integrity?
-- Vol 1 Ch10
and his own hope for Xiao Yao, that she would go on living well even without him around:
Xiang Liu said silently in his heart: Xiao Yao, from here on, I can no longer watch over and protect you. You must look after yourself well. Wishing you a lifetime of carefree peace and happiness!
-- Epilogue
There is of course, the question of Xiao Yao and Jing. If she had been involved in his resurrection, what would that entail? Could she let him go again, after bringing him back? Or perhaps the real question is, would he wish to come between her and Jing? By then, he has no loyalty, responsibility, no duty to an army left behind by time. He was a free man, free to roam the world, explore uncharted islands with her if he chose. Would he choose to be the one who accompanies her for her lifetime? Would they truly be able to find the peace and happiness he wants for her, knowing that that happiness was built on the heartache of another? Or would he choose to step aside once more, until such a time when she is free to be with him, if that time ever comes? It certainly is not an ideal situation, and it means yet another prolonged period of yearning, until she is free once more. But, I think in that respect, it is probably the scenario I can envision and accept. Their lives do not, should not center around just loving one another and there is purpose and meaning, above and beyond the love they share. They are more than just halves of a whole, but a complete person in and of themselves, complementing each other. Just as Tong Hua said:
Eternal yearning for each other happens because there is profound love, because it cannot be obtained, because it cannot be forgotten. However, I am willing to bear with all these emotions and live well.
Life is a series of encounters and partings; it is a series of forgetting (leaving behind) and beginnings.
You were once here, you have left.
Even though I find it difficult to stop missing you, I will still smile when I see the beautiful rainbow.
-- Tong Hua, 2013-02-26
Reincarnation definitely does away with a lot of the issues that resurrection has. As you say, he need not be burdened with first hand memories, grief and guilt. He could grow to be the person he would have become, if he had never been in the death match arena, never been beholden to anyone, living free and unfettered as he was meant to be, as was his true character. But is he the same person Xiao Yao fell in love with? Who did she fall in love with anyway? When she met him, he was already the man he had become with and in spite of all the baggage he carried with him. She wanted him to be free, without all the experiences he suffered, all the debt of loyalty and kindness he took to heart. But, without it, was he still the same man she loved? Those experiences made him the man he was. By the same token, would the man who live unfettered from the very beginning, have fallen in love with her? Xiang Liu was first drawn to her because what she said echoed in his being, resonating with him exactly because they shared such similar, tragic pasts. Would the reincarnated man be similarly drawn to this woman who had lived through so much, whose past he could not relate to?
Resurrection or reincarnation... either way, I wish Tong Hua could have given us more glimpses of him.
liddi:He could grow to be the person he would have become, if he had never been in the death match arena, never been beholden to anyone, living free and unfettered as he was meant to be, as was his true character. But is he the same person Xiao Yao fell in love with? Who did she fall in love with anyway? When she met him, he was already the man he had become with and in spite of all the baggage he carried with him. She wanted him to be free, without all the experiences he suffered, all the debt of loyalty and kindness he took to heart. But, without it, was he still the same man she loved? Those experiences made him the man he was. By the same token, would the man who live unfettered from the very beginning, have fallen in love with her? Xiang Liu was first drawn to her because what she said echoed in his being, resonating with him exactly because they shared such similar, tragic pasts. Would the reincarnated man be similarly drawn to this woman who had lived through so much, whose past he could not relate to?
Agree with all the points you raised regarding reincarnation meaning that XL would not be the same XL that XY loved anymore and also that he may not have fallen in love with her. Also, reincarnation wouldn't tie up the loose ends with XL's association with the Gui Fang clan or what happened to his demon core.
liddi:Reincarnation definitely does away with a lot of the issues that resurrection has. As you say, he need not be burdened with first hand memories, grief and guilt.
From what I've read about the rumored second epilogue, the Gui Fang clan resurrects XL as Gui Fang Bei, but erases his memories because they were afraid he would go to find Xiao Yao.
liddi:There is of course, the question of Xiao Yao and Jing. If she had been involved in his resurrection, what would that entail? Could she let him go again, after bringing him back? Or perhaps the real question is, would he wish to come between her and Jing?
Rumor has it that Jing dies early. He only lives another 200 years or so. Also, it's rumored that the epilogue ends without XY and Gui Fang Bei meeting, so it keeps an open ending.
liddi:However, if he had been resurrected, having died fighting to the last with the rest of the Shen Nong resistance army, could Xiang Liu have finally come to accept that he did do right by them, had given his all and honoured his comrades in life and death.
Xiang Liu is dead. Gui Fang Bei gets resurrected.
XL died honoring all his commitments to the army and his comrades, who are also all dead. He died fighting for a cause he didn't even believe in, so there's no reason to stir up more trouble now that the word is at peace. Also, since he has amnesia, he doesn't remember his comrades and past commitments anyway.
Your comment did have me think of an interesting scenario: what would XL have done if the entire remnant army, including Hong Jiang, had vanished into thin air before the final decisive battle where he died?
I believe he'd grieve for them, but would then go on with his life. I don't think he'd view suicide as the honorable thing to do in this scenario.
solarlunareclipse:It's a beautiful song. Thanks for pointing it out. I never paid attention to the lyrics before. I picked up the drama after you recommended it earlier. I'm currently on episode 19.
I loved the song ever since I first heard it in the drama. The lyrics just makes me love it even more - this is my favourite of all its OSTs. I think the pacing faltered towards the end, but the performances more than made up for it, and I was a blubbering mess for the most part of the drama.
solarlunareclipse:From what I've read about the rumored second epilogue, the Gui Fang clan resurrects XL as Gui Fang Bei, but erases his memories because they were afraid he would go to find Xiao Yao.
Yes, the erased memories are part of the rumoured second epilogue. Another rumour is that Xiao Yao and the resurrected Fangfeng Bei did cross paths, but neither recognised each other because Xiao Yao never met the real Fangfeng Bei, while he no longer has any memories of her. So even then they did not end up together.
solarlunareclipse:Xiang Liu is dead. Gui Fang Bei gets resurrected.
XL died honoring all his commitments to the army and his comrades, who are also all dead. He died fighting for a cause he didn't even believe in, so there's no reason to stir up more trouble now that the word is at peace. Also, since he has amnesia, he doesn't remember his past comrades and commitments anyway.
This is assuming that his memories were lost. I cannot see why the Guifang clan would seal his memories, unless he specifically requested it because he wanted to return Fangfeng Bei's life (whose blood and powers he absorbed) back to him, one that is not coloured by Xiang Liu's memories and past. Another rumour was that the Guifang clan sealed it due to their enmity with Xiang Liu, though I have no idea what would have caused it, seeing Xiang Liu carried their clan's token.
However, if he retained his memories, he would certainly mourn but I don't believe he would continue to undermine Cang Xuan's reign, because his comrades had all died, their remains interred at Liang Wang Peak, just as Cang Xuan once promised him.
solarlunareclipse:Your comment did have me think of an interesting scenario: what would XL have done if the entire remnant army, including Hong Jiang, had vanished into thin air before the final decisive battle where he died?
I believe he'd grieve for them, but would then go on with his life. I don't think he'd view suicide as the honorable thing to do in this scenario.
Was Xiang Liu ever suicidal to begin with? I don't believe so. He valued life, as we have learnt from his words to Xiao Liu, so I don't believe he would take his life because his comrades had disappeared. On the contrary, I am more of the opinion that he would search for them, and do his utmost to bring them back.
@liddi,
Thanks for the additional information on the rumors about the second epilogue. I wasn't aware about the rumor that FFB and XY had crossed paths, nor about the other rumored reasons why the Gui Fang clan sealed XL's memories.
I read about another clue that points to XL's resurrection and thought I'd share it.
On the gourd-shaped lake, after Xiao Yao gave Xiang Liu her blood and told him she never wanted to see him again in this lifetime, the chapter closed with this passage:
相柳把血红的珠子递给鲛人,鲛人小心翼翼地接过,用一个金天氏特殊锻造过的蓝色贝壳藏好。相柳用鲛人的语言吩咐了他几句,鲛人仔细地听完,甩着鱼尾对相柳行了一礼,转身向着大海的方向疾驰而去。
Xiang Liu handed the blood-red pearl to the merman, who carefully received it and stored it in a blue shell forged by the Jin Tian Clan. Xiang Liu gave him a few instructions in the merman's language. The merman listened attentively, then flicked his tail in a gesture of respect to Xiang Liu before turning and swiftly heading towards the sea.
相柳目送他的身影消失在湖面上后,低下头,看着胸口的小箭,伸手轻轻抚过,手在箭上停驻了一瞬。他无声地叹了口气,猛然一用力将箭拔出,随着鲜血的喷出,他好似累了,直挺挺地躺倒在水面上,仰望着天空,笑容慢慢淡去。
After watching the merman's figure disappear on the lake's surface, Xiang Liu lowered his head and looked at the small arrow in his chest. He gently stroked it, pausing his hand on the arrow for a moment. He sighed silently, then suddenly pulled the arrow out with force. As blood spurted out, he seemed to be exhausted, lying straight back onto the water's surface, gazing up at the sky as his smile slowly faded.
黑云遮蔽住了圆月,相柳的双眸内映出的是——没有一颗星辰的苍穹,无边的黑暗、无边的寂寥。
Dark clouds obscured the round moon, and what was reflected in Xiang Liu's eyes was a sky without a single star, endless darkness, and endless loneliness.
— Vol 3 Ch 13 (Chapter 46)
Tong Hua specifically mentioned the Jin Tian Clan here because Jin Tian Xin Chen (金天星沉) forged Xiao Yao’s bow and arrows, including the arrow that Xiao Yao shot into Xiang Liu’s chest. Xin Chen (星沉) is the second half of the Chinese idiom “The moon sets, and the stars sink” (月落星沉 - yuè luò xīng chén), which means the moon has set and the stars have dimmed, referring to the time right before dawn. The last sentence of the passage alludes to this idiom.
- The moon sets (月落) - “dark clouds obscured the round moon”
- The stars sink (星沉) - “a sky without a single star”
The hidden meaning behind the last sentence is that the darkness is only temporary and a new dawn is coming, hinting at Xiang Liu's resurrection.
liddi:However, if he retained his memories, he would certainly mourn but I don't believe he would continue to undermine Cang Xuan's reign, because his comrades had all died, their remains interred at Liang Wang Peak, just as Cang Xuan once promised him.
I agree the XL wouldn't undermine CX's reign after the Shen Nong Remnant Army and Hong Jiang were defeated. Even in LYF, I wonder if XL secretly helped CX to succeed in uniting the wilderness and bringing peace. XL did tell XY that if he didn't have any principles, he'd personally help King Xuan Yuan defeat King Gao Xin. Also:
- By stealing the maps of De Yan and Yu Yang's residences and attempting to steal the maps of the secret granaries and armories of the Central Plains, it created a convenient diversion that ultimately resulted in CX getting sent to the Central Plains. His opponents felt they could let their guard down with CX since he was such a mess when Yue Liang searched his residence after the maps went missing.
- The nine stalks of soul reversing grass gifted by the Gui Fang clan at CX's first wedding alludes to XL's secret backing.
- XL's assassination of FL hastened pace of the war, thereby speeding up the unification of the wilderness. I do believe FL was the actual target of the assassination and not CX.
Two weeks later, but better than never, I supposed.
solarlunareclipse:I have a different perspective. I don't see Xiao Yao as ever being dependent on Jing, nor do I think she was manipulating him. Jing, who is able to read Xiao Yao very well, admitted that Xiao Yao can go on just fine without him.
XY could live fine without Jing as she had shown during the 6 years that he was presumed dead. She is also capable of making her living and surviving just fine - she lived as WYL for hundreds of years without him. The dependency here is more that she is afraid of loneliness and being abandoned. Jing cannot live without her feeds into these emotional and mental needs. While Jing depends on XY for his manhood and selfhood.
And it's not XY that manipulated Jing, but rather Jing that does the manipulation. This character to me is "dirty", it's never explicitly stated and you even get other characters singing his praises, but if you read and pay attention to what he did or didn't do then this character is not kind or good like he appeared. You would be familiar with the concept of junzi, right? Well, Jing, IMO is a fake junzi. These people are worse than an all-out villain like FFYY or Hou because they hide their selfish/self-serving nature beneath the veneer of magnanimous appearance. The hard/dirty works are done by other people (with some manipulation by them), allowing them to keep their hands clean and maintain their masks. Have you read The Smiling Proud Wanderer by Jing Yong? Yue Buqun, Linghu Chong's si-fu is the definition of fake junzi and Jing reminds me of him.
I've read the majority of TH's works and this is the first time I had such a strong, negative reaction to one of the female's lead pairing. We know that she based XY's characterization on childhood trauma. I wonder if she carried this through to the unhealthy relationship patterns that such people are susceptible to. Unfortunately, it is not at all uncommon for people like XY who are not yet ready to deal with their issue to be stuck in a cycle of unhealthy behaviour and relationships. XY ending up with Jing is probably one of the biggest reasons why this book left me unsettled.
The ending of this novel is very bleak to me. The upstanding junzi ended up dying horribly; the fake junzi gets the things that he had been aiming for and the traumatized female lead ends up with the latter because her psychological trauma prevented her from seeing him for who he truly is. But that's probably a reflection of life, right? Honourable, selfless people often end up disadvantaged while self-serving ones get what they want. And ill people who don't get treated will remain trapped.
solarlunareclipse:The hidden meaning behind the last sentence is that the darkness is only temporary and a new dawn is coming, hinting at Xiang Liu's resurrection.
Thank you for pointing out about the blue shell case also being specially forged by the Jintian family. It goes to highlight once more Xiang Liu's continued access to the Jintian family via his Guifang connections.
However, I do not agree that the last line hints at the period just before dawn.
The saying "月落星沉" literally means "the moon has set, and the stars are fading away".
Xiao Yao went to look for Xiang Liu by the gourd-shaped lake after midnight. At the time, the moon was shining over the lake:
Beneath the bright, clear moon, the ripples on the surface of the lake shimmered but Xiang Liu still did not appear. Unable to stop herself, Xiao Yao shouted, “Xiang Liu, I know you can sense me! Get out here and see me!”
-- Vol 3 Ch13 (Chapter 46)
After the merman left with the blood-red pearl, the text states this:
相柳目送着他的身影消失在湖面上后,低下头,看着胸口的小箭,伸手轻轻抚过,手在箭上停驻了一瞬。他无声地叹了口气,猛然一用力将箭拔出,随着鲜血的喷出,他好似累了,直挺挺地躺倒在水面上,仰望着天空,笑容慢慢淡去。
黑云遮蔽住了圆月,相柳的双眸内映出的是——没有一颗星辰的苍穹,无边的黑暗、无边的寂寥。
Xiang Liu watched until his figure disappeared from the surface of the lake. He then lowered his head to look at the arrow in his chest, reached out and gently caressed it, his hand lingering on the arrow for a moment. He sighed silently and suddenly pulled out the arrow with force. As blood gushed out, he appeared exhausted and laid straight down on the water’s surface, staring up at the sky, his smile slowly fading.
Dark clouds obscured the full moon and what was reflected in Xiang Liu’s eyes was—a sky devoid of stars, boundless darkness, unending loneliness.
-- Vol 3 Ch13 (Chapter 46)
Xiang Liu was not standing and looking at the moon setting in the horizon. He was lying on the surface of the water, gazing up at the sky. This was not a setting moon, but a round moon still visible up in the sky, merely obscured by the dark clouds. As such, this is not referring to the period just before dawn.
So to me, the emphasis in that last sentence is the unending desolation and loneliness that Xiang Liu faced, having decisively severed their relationship beyond repair, and the full moon that once bore witness to their most intimate moments together, that represented their love, was now covered by the darkness of the clouds, leaving an unilluminated dark sky that reflected the same loss of light in his life.
solarlunareclipse:Even in LYF, I wonder if XL secretly helped CX to succeed in uniting the wilderness and bringing peace.
I don't believe that the theft of the maps was intended to pave the way for Cang Xuan to go to the Central Plains. Xiang Liu's target was the locations of rations and weapons in the Central Plains. The theft did not impact Cang Xuan in any way. He supposedly fell from his grandfather's good graces a few months later due to problems with the canal project. Then, Cang Xuan was sent to the Central Plains because the building of the palace on Shen Nong mountain was a task no one wanted, and served as a way for his uncles to prevent him from being in close proximity to the Xuan Yuan king.
solarlunareclipse:The nine stalks of soul reversing grass gifted by the Gui Fang clan at CX's first wedding alludes to XL's secret backing.
The Guifang clan's support for Cang Xuan was an unexpected move no one saw coming. It is possible that Xiang Liu might have had a hand in convincing them to do so. Certainly, it would bode better for the families of the Central Plains if Cang Xuan was to be in power, compared to his uncles.
solarlunareclipse:XL's assassination of FL hastened pace of the war, thereby speeding up the unification of the wilderness. I do believe FL was the actual target of the assassination and not CX.
For me, Xiang Liu's target was Cang Xuan all along. He was aware Cang Xuan had come to Qingshui Town because he sensed the presence of the Lovers bug, and knew that if Xiao Yao was there where a war was ongoing, it meant that Cang Xuan was present too. If he wanted to kill Feng Long, he had plenty of opportunities in the past because Feng Long, as the Great General, was already stationed at Qingshui Town in the first place. This time, I believe his reason for assassinating Cang Xuan was twofold. With Cang Xuan dead, the unification of the Great Wilderness would certainly be thrown into disarray, and the Shen Nong resistance army might be able to hold out a little longer. The second, I believe, is the fact that Cang Xuan himself had already tried to kill Jing, and will continue to do so if Jing were to return. Since Jing is the one Xiao Yao had chosen to marry, Cang Xuan's existence poses a threat to Xiang Liu's arrangement for Xiao Yao to have someone to rely on when he himself is gone. However, because Feng Long died in his stead, and Xiao Yao confronted him, this time round, Xiang Liu had no choice but to tell Xiao Yao who truly masterminded Jing's assassination. Why didn't he do so in the past? I think he did not wish for Xiao Yao's heart to be shattered more than it already has by revealing Cang Xuan's treachery, knowing just how much she loves Cang Xuan.
HeadInTheClouds:And it's not XY that manipulated Jing, but rather Jing that does the manipulation. This character to me is "dirty", it's never explicitly stated and you even get other characters singing his praises, but if you read and pay attention to what he did or didn't do then this character is not kind or good like he appeared.
We're totally on the same page here. I just wrote a two part post on how shady Jing was in proposing the 15 year promise. There was a lot of material to work with. (。•̀ᴗ-)✧
In case you're interested: https://mydramalist.com/discussions/lost-you-forever/110123-xl-and-xy-story-and-romance-warning-spoilers?pid=3066431&page=611#p3066431
HeadInTheClouds:You would be familiar with the concept of junzi, right? Well, Jing, IMO is a fake junzi. These people are worse than an all-out villain like FFYY or Hou because they hide their selfish/self-serving nature beneath the veneer of magnanimous appearance. The hard/dirty works are done by other people (with some manipulation by them), allowing them to keep their hands clean and maintain their masks. Have you read The Smiling Proud Wanderer by Jing Yong? Yue Buqun, Linghu Chong's si-fu is the definition of fake junzi and Jing reminds me of him.
I wasn't familiar with the term, but read the Wikipedia article on junzi; I also skimmed the article on The Smiling Pround Wanderer. Agree that Jing is a fake junzi. Zhao Jing from Word of Honor also has a similar vibe.
HeadInTheClouds:The ending of this novel is very bleak to me. The upstanding junzi ended up dying horribly; the fake junzi gets the things that he had been aiming for and the traumatized female lead ends up with the latter because her psychological trauma prevented her from seeing him for who he truly is.
Yeah, if we take the ending as the real ending for these characters, then it would indeed be very bleak. But TH has made a lot of Weibo posts hinting that the story continues. Here's one of them:
桐华tonghua: 用这个问题作为开场吧, 其实, 每个故事的结束都并不是那些人物的真正的结局, 在这个问题上, 我是个很不切实际的 人, 我总觉得故事只是他们生命的一个段落, 即使我的故事结束了, 他们的生活依旧在另外一个空间继续, 所以, 每个故事都不可能有真正的结局的。
Tong Hua: Let's start with this question. In fact, the conclusion of every story is not the real ending for those characters. On this matter, I am quite unrealistic. I always feel that the story is just a chapter in their lives. Even though my story has ended, their lives continue in another space, so, it’s not possible for every story to have a true ending.
liddi:So to me, the emphasis in that last sentence is the unending desolation and loneliness that Xiang Liu faced, having decisively severed their relationship beyond repair, and the full moon that once bore witness to their most intimate moments together, that represented their love, was now covered by the darkness of the clouds, leaving an unilluminated dark sky that reflected the same loss of light in his life.
Agree with this as the overt interpretation. That said, TH does often include hidden interpretations, so I think it's plausible that TH added a well-hidden glint of hope in what would otherwise be one of the saddest lines on the novel. Anyway the theory didn't come from me: it came from someone whose profile said they had a Master of Chinese Linguistics from Beijing Language and Culture University. Not sure if someone can make up fake credentials on https://www.zhihu.com/ , however, in my opinion, only someone extremely well-versed in the Chinese language could have come up with this. The main reason I find it very plausible is because we know TH's character names often contain hidden hints. I can't think of a better reason why Xin Chen would have this specific name.
I don't take "月落星沉" too literally. The main idea is just that the moon and stars disappear from view. I also don't think that the dawn is literally coming at the very moment XL is lying on the surface of the water, just that XL will eventually get a "new dawn" (a.k.a. be reincarnated) even though everything looks hopeless at the moment. Of course, he first has to go through all the trials with cutting all ties to XY and then sacrificing the rest of his lives on the battlefield.
liddi:I don't believe that the theft of the maps was intended to pave the way for Cang Xuan to go to the Central Plains. Xiang Liu's target was the locations of rations and weapons in the Central Plains. The theft did not impact Cang Xuan in any way. He supposedly fell from his grandfather's good graces a few months later due to problems with the canal project. Then, Cang Xuan was sent to the Central Plains because the building of the palace on Shen Nong mountain was a task no one wanted, and served as a way for his uncles to prevent him from being in close proximity to the Xuan Yuan king.
I agree that helping CX was not XL's main objective, but the effect is that stealing the maps might have helped CX. Yue Liang was the one who searched CX's residence for the maps. After seeing CX acting like hot mess that night, he probably felt he could let his guard down about CX and not continue to vigilantly keep an eye on him. Yue Liang had a direct hand in sending CX to go to the Central Plains. Rough AI translation:
The attendants around King Xuan Yuan secretly told Yue Liang, Shi Ran and others that King Xuan Yuan planned to choose one from among their grandsons. Yue Liang and Shi Ran were terrified. There were 28 named peaks in Shennong Mountain. It would take at least 180 years to renovate the palaces. If they were repaired, it would be a good thing. If they were not, the Central Plains clans would probably write letters to criticize them. Grandpa's health was so poor now. If something happened to him, they would be thousands of miles away. Then...
Shi Ran came up with a trick and told Yue Liang about it. Yue Liang discussed it with his father and they both thought that doing so would not only solve the current urgent problem, but also take advantage of the fact that King Xuan Yuan was angry with Cang Xuan and drive Cang Xuan out completely. Otherwise, Cang Xuan would be able to coax King Xuan Yuan into his heart if he stayed in Xuan Yuan City. After all, only Cang Xuan could live in Chao Yun Palace and accompany King Xuan Yuan day and night, but they could not even enter Chao Yun Palace without King Xuan Yuan's summons.
-- Vol 1 Ch 17 (Chapter 17)
Did XL realize that his actions might help CX and do it anyway? I'm not sure, I'd have to go back and read about the events leading up to the night CX's residence was searched to see if there was a way for XL to know about CX's drug addition and that CX might be trying to give the impression that he was incompetent.
liddi:The Guifang clan's support for Cang Xuan was an unexpected move no one saw coming. It is possible that Xiang Liu might have had a hand in convincing them to do so. Certainly, it would bode better for the families of the Central Plains if Cang Xuan to be in power, compared to his uncles.
Better for the Central Plains, but worse for the Shen Nong Remnant Army, who would lose support if the Central Plains were well-governed. If XL did have a hand in convincing Gui Fang to support CX here, I'm sure he realized this, but made the selfless decision to support CX anyway. XL's loyalty to the army was only to his comrades, not to the cause itself, which he thought was idiotic.
liddi:For me, Xiang Liu's target was Cang Xuan all along.
The arguments you made for targeting CX are reasonable. There are reasonable arguments for targeting FL as well. I'll address them later in a separate post.
solarlunareclipse:This translation is not accurate. A more accurate translation is, "Since Jing was sleeping in this sea, she was willing to be with him." I think there is a big difference between "was willing" vs. "would rather." I also think she thought this because she was momentarily overcome with grief, but she wasn't suicidal going into the situation.
"I am willing to die to be with X" does indeed sound slightly more passive than "I would rather die to be with X than continue living". But either way, XY is in the middle of an attempt to assassinate her. And she's not willing to fight for her life. She's willing to allow herself to be killed and to join TSJ in death in the ocean, because she isn't willing to continue being in pain for the duration of the long life ahead that she would have to face if she were to survive the assassination attempt.
When she left for the East Sea and first encountered the seagull demon, XY didn't appear to be willing to accept death (for example, she didn't drink the wine until she confirmed that it wouldn't harm her) but she was very reckless with her own safety and well being because she felt the risk was necessary / worth it. That was also the case throughout the time that she spent searching for TSJ after he disappeared. Then, when the seagull demon reveals that it was indeed a trap all along and that she was not taking XY to meet TSJ alive, that is when XY is overcome with sadness, when she has no fear of death, and when decides that she doesn't want to be in pain any longer and is willing to join TSJ in death in the ocean.
We see this confirmed when XY does not resist at all, mentally or physically, when the coffin sinks into the ocean. XY thought she was going to die and faced her death calmly. She expected to sufficate and did not fight it, and when she survived thanks to enough seawater seeping into the coffin to allow her to start breathing again, she wasn't expecting it. It felt like she had jumped off a cliff, but instead of hitting the bottom and ending her life, she was stuck falling endlessly, still in pain.
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Google, rather than Koala:
Xiao Yao looked at the blue sky. She had no anger of being deceived, no fear of dying, only sadness after her hopes were dashed. From childhood to adulthood, she had always lived a hard life, her heart had been wandering, and she always felt that she would be abandoned at any time. After getting engaged to Jing, her heart was finally at peace. She thought everything would be different, but she didn't expect Jing to be gone. He was like her parents, and had to abandon her for unavoidable reasons! The days ahead were too long, and she didn't want to persist in pain anymore. Since Jing was sleeping in this sea, she was willing to be with him.
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Xiao Yao felt suffocated and breathless, as if she was going to suffocate to death, but when the sea water seeped into the crystal coffin and soaked her mouth and nose, she felt comfortable instead, like a stranded fish returning to the sea. Xiao Yao couldn't help but smile bitterly, this was a well-planned perfect murder: deep in the sea and sky, no blood was seen, they didn't even kill her, even the purple clothes [the seagull demon] wore were burned to ashes, leaving no evidence, but the only imperfection was that they didn't know she couldn't be drowned.
Because she drank the red jade grass, Xiao Yao's head was dizzy and it was difficult for her to think clearly. When she was sunk into the sea, she actually thought she was going to die. She had decided to face death calmly, but suddenly found that she couldn't die. It was like jumping off a cliff. She originally expected to be smashed to pieces and end it all, but suddenly found that the cliff [was small and]* had no bottom. She could only keep falling down, falling down... She couldn't see the beginning or the end, and was stuck in the middle in pain.
* To be honest I'm not sure how a cliff can be both small and bottomless.
solarlunareclipse:I agree that the narrator probably wouldn't outright lie. That said, I think the narrator can be cunning just like XY, so you may think the narrator means one thing, but they actually mean another. Also like XY, the narrator may intentionally omit information and not give the whole picture. Based on the narration, I agree that XY was genuinely very sad about TSJ and was upset to have her hopes dashed that he was alive, no matter how minuscule. However, this doesn't necessarily mean she didn't go into the situation also hoping that XL would come save her.
I agree that it is possible that XY could have had more than one reason for going to the East Sea or for willingly facing death, as long as those reasons were not fundamentally opposed.
However, if XY didn't want to face a long life of pain anymore, was wiling to die / be with TSJ in death in the sea, and and had no fear of death, then it seems to me that she couldn't simultanseously want XL to save her from death, even if she would have liked to see him. If he did save her this time, she would be right back in the position she was in before the coffin sank: facing a long life of pain alone and abandoned once again. As XY thinks later in the chapter (after XL saves her), facing a long life without giving up seemed, to her, like facing a neverending night with no sunrise.
I do think her saddness and pain (and the endless longing she mentions) was about way more than just TSJ though. TSJ's disappearance / death was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Google, rather than Koala:
Xiang Liu said, "Live! Even if Tushan Jing dies, you must live!"
Xiao Yao stared at Xiang Liu blankly for a moment, then looked past him and looked at the night at the end of the sea. A long life, endless longing... How would it feel to live without giving up? Probably like a dark night that will never have a sunrise. Xiao Yao didn't understand why Xiang Liu cared about her life or death?
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Xiao Yao shed tears silently, not daring to tell Zhuanxu. At that moment, she gave up! She forgot everything, including Zhuanxu. She did not try her best to escape, but just wanted to end the pain. Xiao Yao promised Zhuanxu: "I won't do it again in the future." Zhuanxu thought she meant that she would never trust others and fall into their traps again. Zhuanxu patted her on the back and said: "I won't give you the chance to make mistakes again."
solarlunareclipse:The message said not to tell anyone. It didn't say it's ok to tell people she knew were loyal to her. Besides, at this point, XY fully trusted CX, so what was wrong with the information getting to him?
IMO, XY clearly exercised her own judgment and decided that, regardless of what the message said, telling Miao Pu was an acceptable risk, which makes sense to me since Miao Pu was a variable that XY could control while anyone else, like Xiao Xiao and CX, wouldn't be. She didn't have much information about the situation she was walking into and what kind of help she might need. Bringing Miao Pu along meant that she would have a loyal and obedient person with her to provide help, or to obtain more help, if needed. And Miao Pu did provide help from the very beginning. Miao Pu helped XY move Xiao Xiao's body to XY's bed and was the person who manned the carriage and presented the token to the guards, while XY hid inside the carriage, which allowed XY to leave without being detected. And XY could count on Miao Pu to stay back if XY ordered her to, with some extra convincing, which she did end up doing.
When XY considered CX to be her closest person, she trusted him when it came to certain things, but she didn't trust him with everything. If she knew he would stop her from doing something, she wouldn't tell him about it. Like in chapter 29 when she pretended to let him drug her and then attended the ceremony in disguise anyway without telling him. She acted similarly in chapter 46, when she disguised herself as Xian and slipped out of the Xuan Yuan military base to see XL without telling CX. She lied to CX all the time about XL and downplayed the nature of the bug connection between them. There are many other occasions where XY lies to CX or hides things from him, despite considering him to be her closest person and trusting him. Sneaking away to see TSJ without telling CX seems very consistent with her behaviour throughout the novel.
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Google, rather than Koala:
Xiao Yao walked up to Xiao Xiao, put her hands on Xiao Xiao's shoulders, put her head close to Xiao Xiao's ear, and said in a low voice: "Xiao Xiao, you are a good girl, but sometimes too old-fashioned. I'm going to the East China Sea, but I won't take you with me, because you will definitely not let me go."
Xiao Xiao's eyes went dark, her body went limp, and she fell backwards. Miao Pu hurriedly hugged Xiao Xiao, staring at Xiao Yao in panic.
"Why aren't you helping?" Xiao Yao asked Miao Pu to lift Xiaoxiao and put her on the bed, cover her with a quilt, and put down the gauze curtain. At first glance, it seemed that Xiao Yao was sleeping.
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Miao Pu selected two of the strongest celestial horses, and together with Xiao Yao, set up the cloud chariot.
Xiao Yao shrank into the carriage and handed a jade token to Miao Pu, who was driving the celestial horses: "This is my grandfather's token. I can enter and exit Shennong Mountain at will."
Miao Pu took a deep breath and said to herself: "I'll die if I die!" Miao Pu raised the whip, and with a sound of "gig", the celestial horses ran a few steps and soared into the air.
When passing through the East Gate of Shennong Mountain, Miao Pu raised the token arrogantly, and the guards looked at it carefully.
After letting Miao Pu pass smoothly and away from Shennong Mountain, Xiao Yao poked her head out of the carriage and said to Miao Pu: "Thank you! "
solarlunareclipse:XY thought Xiao Xiao was coming anyway and was only two or three hours behind, so all Miao Pu would do is wait for her. As for the Xuan Yuan army, they were only to be involved if something really did happen to her. So if XL saved her, then there would be no reason to involve the Xuan Yuan army.
If anything happened that would make her think that XY was in danger (e.g., XY not returning from scouting the ship as she promised), especially before Xiao Xiao arrived, Miao Pu might have followed XY's instructions and asked the Xuan Yuan army that was stationed nearby to help. The danger to XY would proceed any rescue by XL. So XL saving XY wouldn't necessarily stop Miao Piu from rallying the army. If XL did show up to save XY, that would mean that XY had been put in danger, which would increase the liklihood that Miao Pu would have already gotten the army involved.
As far as I can tell, the only reason Miao Pu ended up not getting the army invovled after XY didn't return from scouting out the ship (still long before Xiao Xiao would have arrived) was that Left Ear showed up and knocked her out before she could do so.
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Google, rather than Koala:
Miao Pu couldn't answer, thought about it and said: "Xiao Xiao will definitely chase us. They have high spiritual power and their mounts fly fast. It is estimated that they will arrive in two or three hours. No matter what happens, wait until they come."
"We can wait, but Jing may not be able to." Xiao Yao picked up the fish jewel hanging around her neck and shook it, coaxing, "I will swim over from the bottom of the sea and take a look quietly. If there is any danger, I will keep sinking to the bottom of the sea, and they can't do anything to me. If you go with me, it will be a burden. Besides, if you stay here, it means I have a support. We can attack or defend. If something really happens, you can tell Xiao Xiao and the others, or ask for help from the Xuan Yuan army stationed nearby."
Miao Pu had to admit that Xiao Yao was right. She said with a grim face, "Then come back quickly, just take a look. No matter what is in the boat, we will act after discussion."
"Okay!" Xiao Yao took advantage of the cover of the reef and slowly dived into the sea.
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