Bliss Ace

I give up on you. Think whatever you want.

Don't let your feelings deprive you from basic decency. Its not like he is asking her to marry him. Wasn't he attracted to the two of them? Can't he ask for a date in a dating show? Also, you are spinning the narrative that these girls aren't grown. They are in a dating show and they know what they're getting into. I honestly prefer Wooyeol personality to Mingyu's last season. Mingyu was unbearable to watch and yet popular. Wooyeol makes an effort to get to know the girls he is interested. Y'all jump to conclusion that he likes you when he only asked for a date to get to know you. Rings? They didn't buy them and make a commitment that they symbolize this or that.
Here is the baseline. Wooyeol definitely should have been careful with his words or actions. But he's on a dating show. And when I look at that, it demands one to do so. Go for the people you have interest on. For once, we got someone who approaches the girls. In most shows the handsome cast always waited for the girls to make a move, which was always annoying.

Oow, you mean Soyeon would misread into it? I understand your point. But what should he have done in that situation? She suggested you both get rings, how would you turn that person down? If its out here, I could just say, ah, I have a person. But in a dating show, how would turn that idea down? I am just curious because I feel like I might have behaved like Wooyeol just to maintain the mood of the date. But you made a fair point.

Which girl?? I think thats the point I keep emphasizing. Who is he watching for? Or being careful for? Gyuri never texted him back ever since he stopped texting her. Its like 3 days or so for them since they last texted each other. Yukyung, as we saw today's episode, they had misunderstood each other. He shared his thought on the date with her and me and the panelists thought, oh, he could have got that idea from her. I think for him it was all open.
I think him seeing what we can see with the privileges we have as viewers, he might be different. He might rethink his actions. But me and you, we get to see where everyone's feelings lies. And when we are lucky we even get to hear their thoughts. So, I guess its fair for him to think that everyone is testing waters. Gyuri only texts when they have a date. Other than that, she doesn't. As for Yukyung, he thought she was exploring too as a result of a little misunderstanding.
I think both of us are speaking from a place of we can see everything and almost know everything going on. Knowing that completely changes your actions.

Your problem is that you are demanding certainty from vagueness. Who exactly was he supposed to be loyal to or preserved for? He could basically do anything if you came up to him. Was he supposed to be rude when he had no reason to be.

Remember, we are viewers and so we are lucky to see everything and everyone. When you are in the moment and don't know what the other person is thinking, it becomes even harder. You get confused just like the rest of the casts.

He's not married or coupled up with anyone. It must be a difficult concept to you. He has no reason to refuse gesture from anyone because one you are in a dating show. You simply just can't say we are not going to that date. If he has a reason like I might hurt this and that other person by doing this, I think we might see a different side. By then, no one had openly expressed interest in him.
Just take his shoes for a bit. He didn't get any text from the two girls he had sent signals to. In his mind, he is thinking he is working hard and got nothing from them and especially when he was sick of all days. So in his mind, the girls are also testing waters or just like his vibe. Nothing is firm given they are now completing a week of their stay in the house. The worse thing you can do is jump the gun too early.
For him, the girls are enjoying his company but no one until today (Yukyung) seemed interested. Because Gyuri once she noticed she is developing feelings too fast, she became more cautious. She didn't sent a text when he didn't. She also didn't want to jump the gun too early and also gave a chance to explore a little. So until today's episode where Yukyung said hey you are confusing me with your actions. And thats when he came out and said he had a different idea.

Remember, right now or early in the beginning, everything is happening in their minds. Not necessarily what the other person do. Everyone is thinking, we shared a moment but didn't get a text or h/she is spending too much with another person. So they may not be as interested. So let me also try to talk with this other person or be more open.
He never promised anyone to be their boyfriend to warrant such hostility from you. Now, Yukyung openly admitted she is interested and would like a little more proactiveness from him. So, someone shared their feelings and he reciprocated. Will he still try to pursue Gyuri? Let's see his behavior from here on. Technically, he is not settled on Yukyung but we would some a little of loyalty from hereon. And I would be right there with you to criticize him.

Not, really. I watched it with the AI subs. Excuse? You must be the one who is making things up. We got his voice over/thoughts during scenes where he misunderstood Yukyung. You must be set to make a villain out of him. And thats where the problem is.
Every girl? Not really. You may not have an idea of what flirting is. First, the rings was not his idea. He just goes along with it. You could clearly see he was stuck between two girls. Yukyung and Gyuri. Also, does he go telling the girls he has feelings on them. Or even initiate things which could imply an interest in them? So far we only saw it with Gyuri and Yukyung, who he has interest on. Again, you just found your villain and you're set to make him one. So, reasoning won't work with you.

I think you haven't watched the show with subtitles that's why you think he was flirting with them thinking he has Yukyung as his main option. After the episode is subbed, you will see he says he didn't know how to act aftersome misunderstanding between him and Yukyung. So he wasn't flirting with the girls thinking he is set on Yukyung. He is just someone on a dating show trying to find his match. And he's biggest charm is that he can flirt. Thats how he shows interest. I think people are reading too much into that.

Yeah, we all owe Wooyeol an apology. He was painted as a player by the edit.

I am glad I could shed more light on how any smart human being would do. The ones who behave 'badly' in the eyes of the viewers, you never have to worry about them. They will anyway get criticism and negative comments for their actions on the show. Wooyeol is about to get his part if he pulls the biggest upset with his pick or indecisions.

But for me, its those innocent looking ones I am scared of. I watch them. Fall in love with them and their love story (-ies). And then after all is said and done, they move on like nothing happened. No sneak peek of whether they got a happy ending in real life too. No nothing. Its like we made it all up. All of a sudden they want to keep things private. So you shouldn't inquire. You're disrespecting their space if you dare ask of them that.

But no not really. Its more complicated than that. They go on to do a vlog of every aspect of their life. Like where they travel, their routine, hobbies, friends, hangouts, brand deals and sponsorship etc. All except the one thing we came to know them from. Their dating. And the viewers will never know. It was all a fantasy we were sold. We were promised an epic love story that we will never get to see outside the show. Or at least know its ending. I am in no way saying its scripted. Its just that the end result is often disappointing.

Well, from the movie, I can say waiting for him would totally backfire. You could see time and distance didn't work for our leads. I think what you could say is that it could mean they should both take their chances when they get it. Thats what I meant by saying living without regrets.

Thats some unpopular opinion right there. But to just make it clear. Neither do I. Or to some extent. And the only reason is because when they went to Japan, they had only been together for 8 days. From the dating show perspective, none of his actions are wrong. But on a real world basis, its wrong because the girls fell for him too fast and that could hurt one or the other. He could be a little mindful of his actions. In other words, he should settle for one girl soon. People enjoy a steady and consistent man. And more importantly, they like to see chemistry between a couple that chose to stick with each other. So for now Wooyeol is doing what he wants and not necessarily what the audience would want to see him do.
Its actually bizarre people think that that would be a a great smart plan for someone seeking spotlight. Thats an high school level thinking. Who wants to see how many girls or boys you can pull in on a dating show. A smart plan would be pretending, in this case, to be a loyal dude or girl and showing unwavering interest in them until the end of the show. Make the audience think how unconditional that love is, which is either rewarded or not at the end. But it doesn't matter anyway because now the audience will be on your side.
And then after the show ends, you completely ghost that girl or dude with no explanation at all. Well, not many dating shows asks for a follow up anyway. And the girl or dude will just be embarrassed to come out and say he or she was duped from the dating show. OR simply just come up with reasons to them that you no longer feel attracted like you did on the show. Well, after deceiving us your love was never going to change for a month (but months for us, because we have been watching you for months). But thats an amicable way to end it. And voila you have your fame. And most importantly, you have your good reputation. Smart plan.

I took the liberty and watched the 'Once We Were Us' before Wooyeol and Yukyung do (based on the show). And wow. Everyone should check it out. I just can't understand why it has low ratings on MDL. Its really a great movie. Haven't had most of those for a while. Almost had me to tears. Anyway, it really has a great message overall. If you watch with someone you are getting to know, I think your dynamics will completely change. So I think their relationship (Wooyeol and Yukyung) will greatly change after this. Without giving away anything from the movie, you will learn about living without regrets. And the movie does a great job showing that.

That is why having confidence in your partner is important. He promised her the world and even his heart and wanted to give her that. But the reality was different. 'Grew apart from her' is more like saying he couldn't face his failures. He knew he had failed her. He couldn't give her the world he wanted or promised to give her.
I think that was too painful for him to live with. Or for him to face her. Hence, the distance between them. To some extend, I understand him. But he should have shown more confidence in her. That no matter what happens, like you said, she was willing to try. Or better said, she was willing to stay with him. But who would want someone they love so dearly suffer beside them?

I am here because of Wooyeol and Yugyung. I don't know what will happen once they get to watch this movie (obviously they have already watched). But in terms of the show, I know their dynamics will change too. The movie is more about living without regrets.

We don't know if he has a wife. Just the child was heard or can I say mentioned. It was just a way of showing that he 'moved' on. Even though that didn't apparently convince you. But the 'wife' part was and is implied. You could be right to say he had one. And you could be wrong too. But the idea of having a daughter showed life goes on and what remains are the choices we made. The fact they couldn't get back together showed we get to live with those choices. It reflected more on the idea of regret and what could have been.

I see you dissected all the details. If Wooyeol was as loyal as he said (having kept long relationships), I would really hope for him to end up with Yukyung. Only just because I like her more when she is in love. I don't know if that makes sense. She just have that glow if she is in love with someone. And I only hope its the right person who only has eyes for her.
Thats why I don't like Wooyeol just for that reason. He just seems unsure. Its only bad because the girls drawn to him all seem pretty deep into him. So that means one person or some are inevitably going to get hurt. And that doesn't seem to bother him, well in my opinion. But in his defense, I think the panelists mentioned they had only known each other 8 days while they were in Japan.
So its pretty wild that the girls too are that deep. He also said in a conversation I believe with Yukyung on their first date that he takes like months of knowing someone before committing. That's perfectly okay, its only that his actions or the way he flirts that makes him so certain about the other person when in real sense he likes to take things slow.
Back to your arguments, yes, the editing could be misleading. So far, even when he is describing his ideal type, if you noted, it all seem to point to Yukyung. Including when asked by the catfish on their date about what he finds cute in a partner. If you go back and listen to it carefully and try to recall his interactions with Yukyung, you can almost feel like it could fit her.

But then again during a group setting, you can also see he seems too aware of Gyuri, which makes me think they could have something going on. Whether its an edit or not, he seems too bothered by her that I also think that Gyuri has an edge over Yukyung. I might be wrong. Let's see how the future episodes pan out. It might work out with Yukyung because we can also see from the preview that she is planning to be bolder, which might work in her favor.

Yes, please elaborate. I have nothing but time. Because to me, it seemed the other way round. I favored Gyuri more than Yukyung simply because he seemed to lean more to her. And silly me thought that he would reassure Gyuri more and stick to that choice to the end. So other girls will keep trying to get his attention. But didn't think that he would actually entertain all of them. We can tell who he is leaning towards but we can also see he's not closed off to the rest.
On the other point you raised. I agree. Gyuri has a strong personality. She wouldn't like getting dragged around by someone especially emotionally. I unfortunately don't see that romantic connection with Seowoon. Just yet. But I could see her choosing him. I think she's someone who values stability and reassurance. And currently Wooyeol doesn't give that. While Yukyung at this point is too far gone to even save herself. So I can also see why she would choose him.

Unfortunately, when you are in your feels, its hard to look at the situation logically. I am still trying to see how the girls see him as desirable even though they all know he's showing interest to all of them. Yes, they know. In the real world and to most of us, its a turn off. But in the house, the girls will get competitive instead.

I saw someone say he is most likely to end up alone. I have watched lots of dating show to know he won't. I saw how he treated the catfish on the date. He's so boyfriend coded. He's attention to details (the girl he's with) and he can hold a conversation (tiki taka). Those attributes from the girls' POV makes him desirable. I think they are rationalizing his behavior as they all getting to know each other in the house. His behavior wouldn't work on any girl in the outside world. But as far as the show is concerned, he gets to keep the girls somehow on the edge because he's soo unpredictable. For example, I feel like Gyuri doesn't like somehow who goes back and forth. Thats why on their date, she kept hinting to him that she needs to be the only girl. That massage to Yukyung is enough for someone like Gyuri to lose interest. In the outside world, Gyuri seems like the type of person who knows what she wants and wouldn't tolerate nonsense.

But Wooyeol is also confusing. One minute, he is showing interest in her and in the next she is second guessing whether he does. So she can't completely decide to close off her heart to him. Her like the rest, I think she will keep being dragged until the end unless he makes himself clear.

I was with you until I listened to Eana. She justifies it by saying Wooyeol is someone who is fluid depending on the person he's with. He matches the person he is with. He didn't suggest having the rings but he goes along with the other person's idea. He's also true to the present. He lives in the moment and will text the person he interacted with that day.
Because the day can change, he changes together with it. That makes him appear so fickle. I get why so many girls are drawn. While we see how changes from one girl to another, one thing we can also see is that he matches their energies differently. Its as if he knows how to make them each feel special or seen.