IDC im so excited for this! the director is new for GMMTV and they have directed really good stuff, the premise…
For a second I'd thought you'd meant that the director is New, and you gave me a heart attack!! I was like it sure as hell wasn't the last time I'd checked😅
The phrase means that if Patts can't understand WHY Tai is silent, he's not capable of understanding whatever…
Omg thank you for the civil conversation. I like that we can talk about this with our different views and how mdl makes it possible to share them. It's always nice to discuss how other people see and interpret these things and their opinions instead of having someone yell in your face that they're right and you're wrong aha! Yeah unfortunately, while this series has some great elements, the writing is not one of their strong suits.. Tai's lying, to me seemed more like a fib that was unnecessary and rather childish and immature however I just hold it to a very different standard than controlling and possessive behaviors bc I tend to find them more intentional. I have very little to no tolerance for that since communication should be utilised to address and solve those issues before they arise. Previously, I did find Phat's character to be a little too picture perfect with virtually no flaws- besides him lying to Tai about them having not done anything the night that he was wasted. I thought that having Phat lie and omit the truth was a completely unnecessary choice to add flaws to his character but wow did ep10's plot put that unnecessarity to shame. I totally agree, lying is a huge no-go in a relationship and you are completely entitled to hold it to that standard. Good for you, that's such a fair deal breaker! I'd have just wished that if Phat had felt just as strongly then he'd have had a, like you said, sit down conversation warning of such. At last, this is a drama; which aren't particularly known for their healthy portrayals of relationships. More drama tends to get more viewers... Myself personally, if there'd been no prior issues along the same lines, I'd try to understand why there was the urge to lie and if reasonable enough then reinforce that boundary. However, once trust has been lost, it is especially hard to rebuild in intimate relationships. Or any relationship in general. Let's hope that the next couple of episodes are more logical and that the actions are more aligned with the characters themselves. I hope that you have a good day/evening! :)
Exactly this! I just threw up my hands at this episode.
Huh. I honestly didn't see it as such. It was obvious that Tai knew that there was a possibility of Lomfon having a crush on him but he wasn't sure of it. From how I saw it, both Tai and Lomfon had bonded over shared interests and he was appreciative over Lomfon taking care of a drunken Tian lol. Sure everyone was saying that he was crushing on Tai but there was not confirmation and I think that it was pretty mature for Tai to keep his promise and still give Lomfon a chance to get to know him. As a friend. Tai wasn't certain about the crush, he had said to Bow that he didn't see it and regardless of if there was a crush present, Tai still gave Lomfon a chance as an individual rather than writing him off based on what everyone else says. I think that it was very kind and mature considering how easy it is to dismiss someone like that if there were feelings and they weren't returned. They were out having lunch, snacking, talking and taking pictures; pretty mundane friend things that didn't cross into any dating or explicitly romantic territory. There was no hand holding, nudging or flirting behaviours present.
The phrase means that if Patts can't understand WHY Tai is silent, he's not capable of understanding whatever…
Tai did reassure him. He told him that he loved him very much and didn't answer the "me or him" because the "him" wasn't even a part of the equation for him. For Tai as I said before Lomfon wasn't even in the picture. Phat was being dismissive of Tai's side and only wanted to hear those exact words when Tai was basically feeding him the same answer. Tai saying that they should bring this up another time when they're both calmer and can see more clearly was him trying to tell Phat that and attempting to give them the best shot to figure it out together. Also when Phat catches Tai in his lie, he doesn't even attempt to ask why Tai lied to him, to understand where his bf's coming from. The act of trying to understand your partner is so crucial in a relationship and might I say he should've had a little faith in his bf, that hasn't done anything wrong yet prior to this incident. Why he did or felt the need to do that. Even while in his emotions, Phat was clearly close enough to see the kiss happening as he was rushing towards them. Tai was in shock and still, Lomfon backed away right after and apologized. No one was initiating anything more when Phat comes to try to beat Lomfon to a pulp. The unconsentual kiss from Lomfon also parallels the one Nara pounced onto Phat, in which Tai did not get violent. I get a shove or a punch in frustration to separate them but violence should never be the option.
Just because someone's calm and nice, doesn't mean that their significant other is comfortable or capable of knowing how to have those conversations. It could have absolutely nothing to do with Phat and all to do with Tai's people skill being underdeveloped as he's been very open at being an introvert that would rather keep to himself. As well as the fact that this is his first relationship so will have some learning curves; whereas Phat's had at least one other serious committed relationship already. He should know how this work especially since Nara was portrayed as so emotionally intelligent. That's not an excuse but a human flaw that they as a couple should be able to calmly talk about and work together to understand and compensate for each other's short comings. You seem to be clinging onto the reassurance part of the mix as if that were present (worded exactly as Phat had wanted), that it would've fixed everything. It's true that it might've lessen his anger but Tai shouldn't be the factor to hold Phat's emotions in check. Tai's not responsible for or in control of Phat's feelings. Of course he shouldn't want to make things worse, which he didn't but Phat alone is the only one who can control and regulate his own emotions and reactions. He's a fully grown adult with a fully developed brain and the life experience to guide it while everyone else is under the age of 25 and don't have that part of their brain fully developed. That doesn't excuse any behaviours or actions but SHOULD be taken into account, as Phat should be the more responsible person. Tai wasn't gaslighting Phat. He was telling him that there wasn't anything between him and Lomfon, which despite what it probably looked like was in fact true. There was no romantic or sexual feelings from Tai's side. And I never said that Phat should've disclosed Lomfon's condition, he did the right thing by not disclosing it but he could've handled it better. But obviously from Tai's POV, that would've could've been seen as deceit from Phat.
I completely understand why Phat had that reaction but that doesn't make it okay!! That's the important distinction! It was completely disproportionate and anger issues don't just appear out of nowhere when provoked. It's an underlying response that I'm sure he'd have had to been aware of. That's not to say that his anger is bad, it's just that as a person it's your responsibility to try to give yourself the tools to manage your own reactions. To be proactive and responsible for yourself.
...a mark of a good story is how invested everyone gets, right? Leading to heated debate and flying emotions.…
At this point I think the ratings will stay very polarized because I don't think there any way to make everyone happy with the ending. Polarizing ratings usually means a lower rating
...a mark of a good story is how invested everyone gets, right? Leading to heated debate and flying emotions.…
While I do agree that this was very unexpected for the characters, I don't actually think it'd came out of nowhere! IMO there were little hints of these qualities in their characters beforehand too; it just wasn't that noticeable. We know from the start that Tai's an introvert who doesn't have much experience and doesn't go out of his way to socialize with people, so it makes sense that he doesn't really know how to approach a potential confrontation without being prepared to do so beforehand. In the moment, he resorts to the more childish habit of the "white lie" to not upset people (aka his report to not hurt/upset Phat). It was a fib and not the most mature move but he's 22 and open about his tendency to keep to himself so it makes sense that he's underdeveloped in that category.
Phat on the other hand should have that experience and can work with other which is demonstrated by his shares in the vet clinc with his friends. He's portrayed as the perfect bf but IMO there was always something a pinch off about him to me that I only chalked up to a bad script or bad acting (sorry Pee..). I think that it was the not being completely truthful from the beginning that showed a lack of maturity to me. He lied about not having done anything with him when Tai was blackout drunk/severely wasted; which he did cross out in his letter but never brought it up or clarified. Isn't them kissing (their first kiss) when he was drunk an innocent enough thing to disclose when you're wanting to start a relationship with someone? It shouldn't start issues since it was a drunken Tai that initiated the kiss. When Phat reveals to a now sober Tai that he now knows about their soulmate connection, he lies to him again about nothing happening between them, for absolutely no reason which I thought was oddly chalked up to cheeky-ness. But now looking back, it was completely unnecessary.
...a mark of a good story is how invested everyone gets, right? Leading to heated debate and flying emotions.…
Aha I love your positivity! Normal I'm a pretty "glass half full" person who can see the logic but chooses to focus on the good present but a lot of people's responses have got me questioning my fellow human beings lol😆
Wait, when did Phat say Tai was holding back? It sounds familiar, but no way am I watching that episode again,…
In the beginning of the episode when they just get into Phat's apartment. I know that it's also not an uncommon BL trope, which always leaves a sour taste in my mouth no matter how healthy and loving the relationship is but Phat has the pattern of wanting to get to the sex and it's weird. If it was mutual horniness then cool, go ahead but even their first kiss he was stripping off his shirt while makingout with a wasted Tai who'd soon pass out. It's been kind of an underlying thing that was making me uncomfortable because they're in love; can't they just chill and kiss and be affectionate without Tai having to pull on the breaks in some way or another? Shouldn't they have both been aware and tuned into how their partner was feeling and reacting!
Finally someone with some logic and perspective! A little of my faith has been returned after seeing that at least…
Exactly! I know that it's the writing but there are so many instances that Phat could've had some faith in his bf and/or take a pause to use some maturity. Instead he chose to jump to conclusions, dismiss what Tai was trying to tell him (in person) and chose the more controlling route that makes the bigger scene. I watched the whole episode without reading the comments and only after came to read them after being sure of how I'd felt about the episode. I was astonished to find out that this was the uncommon opinion. I know that a lot of people might not have had to go through the experience of a tricky and toxic relationships that required you to understand, develop and utilize a higher EQ but I was truly astonished to see just how much of a minority we were. I even had to take a couple of days off before answering all the replies in my notifications just be quadruple check that I wasn't the crazy one. A relationship takes two people to make it work but it also takes two people (the people in the coupling) to let it crumble. When someone's your significant other, they are your parnter; it's a partnership and you both need to want to mend it and come to a happy medium. You need maturity, self awareness, communication and patience as there'll most definitely be issues that arise in the future. Some people are thinking that we're writing off Tai and picking on Phat but regardless of Tai's lie, which he had reasons for- that again his older bf should've inquired about- Phat still didn't try to hold up his end of "making the relationship work" instead lashing out while blinded by emotions.
Hello ep 12??Did I miss something, but when did they released ep 11😒
People paying (on whichever platform it's on), have early access to the finale aka ep12. We will be getting ep11 when they'll be getting ep12. I'm not sure if they've gotten early access to ep11 too or if both of the finale two episodes are getting released at the same time for the payed memberships.
I talk and write a lot and like to use colorful language... Can you believe that I tried my hardest to cut it down and that *this* is the shorter version of my notes🤭😆🫣
...a mark of a good story is how invested everyone gets, right? Leading to heated debate and flying emotions.…
Yeah I was gonna say that I can't decide if the vast array of opinions is based off of good writing... or bad writing😅 Good bc there's so much passion and obviously people are connecting to the different characters in different ways, or if it's bad because there isn't more of a solid stance on their characters' traits. Everything's up to interpretation but this is so extreme that it's very interesting. Like the crazed engagement is good but should the chaos have had a slightly tighter net? Lmfao
Yeah unfortunately, while this series has some great elements, the writing is not one of their strong suits.. Tai's lying, to me seemed more like a fib that was unnecessary and rather childish and immature however I just hold it to a very different standard than controlling and possessive behaviors bc I tend to find them more intentional. I have very little to no tolerance for that since communication should be utilised to address and solve those issues before they arise. Previously, I did find Phat's character to be a little too picture perfect with virtually no flaws- besides him lying to Tai about them having not done anything the night that he was wasted. I thought that having Phat lie and omit the truth was a completely unnecessary choice to add flaws to his character but wow did ep10's plot put that unnecessarity to shame.
I totally agree, lying is a huge no-go in a relationship and you are completely entitled to hold it to that standard. Good for you, that's such a fair deal breaker! I'd have just wished that if Phat had felt just as strongly then he'd have had a, like you said, sit down conversation warning of such. At last, this is a drama; which aren't particularly known for their healthy portrayals of relationships. More drama tends to get more viewers... Myself personally, if there'd been no prior issues along the same lines, I'd try to understand why there was the urge to lie and if reasonable enough then reinforce that boundary. However, once trust has been lost, it is especially hard to rebuild in intimate relationships. Or any relationship in general.
Let's hope that the next couple of episodes are more logical and that the actions are more aligned with the characters themselves. I hope that you have a good day/evening! :)
From how I saw it, both Tai and Lomfon had bonded over shared interests and he was appreciative over Lomfon taking care of a drunken Tian lol. Sure everyone was saying that he was crushing on Tai but there was not confirmation and I think that it was pretty mature for Tai to keep his promise and still give Lomfon a chance to get to know him. As a friend. Tai wasn't certain about the crush, he had said to Bow that he didn't see it and regardless of if there was a crush present, Tai still gave Lomfon a chance as an individual rather than writing him off based on what everyone else says. I think that it was very kind and mature considering how easy it is to dismiss someone like that if there were feelings and they weren't returned. They were out having lunch, snacking, talking and taking pictures; pretty mundane friend things that didn't cross into any dating or explicitly romantic territory. There was no hand holding, nudging or flirting behaviours present.
Also when Phat catches Tai in his lie, he doesn't even attempt to ask why Tai lied to him, to understand where his bf's coming from. The act of trying to understand your partner is so crucial in a relationship and might I say he should've had a little faith in his bf, that hasn't done anything wrong yet prior to this incident. Why he did or felt the need to do that.
Even while in his emotions, Phat was clearly close enough to see the kiss happening as he was rushing towards them. Tai was in shock and still, Lomfon backed away right after and apologized. No one was initiating anything more when Phat comes to try to beat Lomfon to a pulp. The unconsentual kiss from Lomfon also parallels the one Nara pounced onto Phat, in which Tai did not get violent. I get a shove or a punch in frustration to separate them but violence should never be the option.
Just because someone's calm and nice, doesn't mean that their significant other is comfortable or capable of knowing how to have those conversations. It could have absolutely nothing to do with Phat and all to do with Tai's people skill being underdeveloped as he's been very open at being an introvert that would rather keep to himself. As well as the fact that this is his first relationship so will have some learning curves; whereas Phat's had at least one other serious committed relationship already. He should know how this work especially since Nara was portrayed as so emotionally intelligent. That's not an excuse but a human flaw that they as a couple should be able to calmly talk about and work together to understand and compensate for each other's short comings.
You seem to be clinging onto the reassurance part of the mix as if that were present (worded exactly as Phat had wanted), that it would've fixed everything. It's true that it might've lessen his anger but Tai shouldn't be the factor to hold Phat's emotions in check. Tai's not responsible for or in control of Phat's feelings. Of course he shouldn't want to make things worse, which he didn't but Phat alone is the only one who can control and regulate his own emotions and reactions. He's a fully grown adult with a fully developed brain and the life experience to guide it while everyone else is under the age of 25 and don't have that part of their brain fully developed. That doesn't excuse any behaviours or actions but SHOULD be taken into account, as Phat should be the more responsible person.
Tai wasn't gaslighting Phat. He was telling him that there wasn't anything between him and Lomfon, which despite what it probably looked like was in fact true. There was no romantic or sexual feelings from Tai's side. And I never said that Phat should've disclosed Lomfon's condition, he did the right thing by not disclosing it but he could've handled it better. But obviously from Tai's POV, that would've could've been seen as deceit from Phat.
I completely understand why Phat had that reaction but that doesn't make it okay!! That's the important distinction! It was completely disproportionate and anger issues don't just appear out of nowhere when provoked. It's an underlying response that I'm sure he'd have had to been aware of. That's not to say that his anger is bad, it's just that as a person it's your responsibility to try to give yourself the tools to manage your own reactions. To be proactive and responsible for yourself.
We know from the start that Tai's an introvert who doesn't have much experience and doesn't go out of his way to socialize with people, so it makes sense that he doesn't really know how to approach a potential confrontation without being prepared to do so beforehand. In the moment, he resorts to the more childish habit of the "white lie" to not upset people (aka his report to not hurt/upset Phat). It was a fib and not the most mature move but he's 22 and open about his tendency to keep to himself so it makes sense that he's underdeveloped in that category.
Phat on the other hand should have that experience and can work with other which is demonstrated by his shares in the vet clinc with his friends. He's portrayed as the perfect bf but IMO there was always something a pinch off about him to me that I only chalked up to a bad script or bad acting (sorry Pee..).
I think that it was the not being completely truthful from the beginning that showed a lack of maturity to me. He lied about not having done anything with him when Tai was blackout drunk/severely wasted; which he did cross out in his letter but never brought it up or clarified. Isn't them kissing (their first kiss) when he was drunk an innocent enough thing to disclose when you're wanting to start a relationship with someone? It shouldn't start issues since it was a drunken Tai that initiated the kiss.
When Phat reveals to a now sober Tai that he now knows about their soulmate connection, he lies to him again about nothing happening between them, for absolutely no reason which I thought was oddly chalked up to cheeky-ness. But now looking back, it was completely unnecessary.
I watched the whole episode without reading the comments and only after came to read them after being sure of how I'd felt about the episode. I was astonished to find out that this was the uncommon opinion. I know that a lot of people might not have had to go through the experience of a tricky and toxic relationships that required you to understand, develop and utilize a higher EQ but I was truly astonished to see just how much of a minority we were. I even had to take a couple of days off before answering all the replies in my notifications just be quadruple check that I wasn't the crazy one.
A relationship takes two people to make it work but it also takes two people (the people in the coupling) to let it crumble. When someone's your significant other, they are your parnter; it's a partnership and you both need to want to mend it and come to a happy medium. You need maturity, self awareness, communication and patience as there'll most definitely be issues that arise in the future. Some people are thinking that we're writing off Tai and picking on Phat but regardless of Tai's lie, which he had reasons for- that again his older bf should've inquired about- Phat still didn't try to hold up his end of "making the relationship work" instead lashing out while blinded by emotions.
I'm not sure if they've gotten early access to ep11 too or if both of the finale two episodes are getting released at the same time for the payed memberships.
Good bc there's so much passion and obviously people are connecting to the different characters in different ways, or if it's bad because there isn't more of a solid stance on their characters' traits. Everything's up to interpretation but this is so extreme that it's very interesting. Like the crazed engagement is good but should the chaos have had a slightly tighter net? Lmfao