It's actually very good. But then, I enjoy mysteries. I think most people are just looking for romance.
Good because I need a break from romance. I think it will be perfect for me. Besides, the genre says THRILLER HISTORICAL MYSTERY ...So, its kind of their fault for expecting romance
They are using the excuse that "these are not green flags...this is a red flag drama" and "you're…
There's actually no point because their logic is "you can't point out the abuse or call a rapist a rapist because you are used to watching straight drama". Absolutely Juvenile logic because besides rape culture BLs like these, there a lot of non mainstream queer content/queer movies that people watch outside of mainstream mdl ones. Extended exposure to rape romanticisation makes people think , "hey...this is normal in my bubble. People call it love. Why are these weirdos calling it rape...they must hate all gay people" which is hilarious and sad at the same time. It is also A COPING MECHANISM because if you brand any rational criticism of abuse on men as "attack by homophobe" ...maybe you get to feel better about supporting writers like that. Deep inside, they know its pure fetishization
They are using the excuse that "these are not green flags...this is a red flag drama" and "you're…
The problem goes deep. They showed rape and then ignored it like it doesn't matter...because apparently, novel fans are used to rape culture so it isn't a big deal for them. They are shaming people who aren't used to rape culture in the dramas they watch and want the lead who has committed multiple violations of bodily autonomy in a cruel way to get punished..NOT ROMANTICISED. Its hilarious...they think they are cool for that.
This isn't your normal toxic leads...these are hardened criminals. This is beyond red and green flag. Lol!
Since you said it, there is actually a straight drama about SA that got released this year...it The first frost. Its not my favorite work of the actors but the rapist's character was SPOT ON! They did such a good job with his portrayal and by showing how it affects the person who has experienced it.
This drama is made for PEOPLE WITH INTERNALISED MYSOGYNY. They are shutting down women who have that female gaze and are okay with ...idk if I can even call it male gaze...it would be so wrong ..so I am gonna call it "predator's gaze".
I watched a lot more episodes of this torture than you. Regret it wholeheartedly. I watched more episodes because…
Why are you commenting under every critical viewpoint? We don't like it or find it entertaining. Move on! You are attacking everyone and can't even counter points
I agree with everything you said this show is hella problematic and toxic.But when someone points out the toxicity…
They are using the excuse that "these are not green flags...this is a red flag drama" and "you're too sensitive" 🤣 The argument are eerily similar with what incels attack women with. A lot of these fans are straight up mysogynistic. Well of course rapist and a S abuser is not gonna be a green flag. He should have ended up like most criminals end up in drama...why the romanticisation? Lol! Also, they use another excuse like incels "learn to separate fantasy from reality". Fantasy world also has rules...like in a romance genre, you can't justify SA multiple times and you have to show consequences by killing/jailing the person for the act. You won't even believe that many are also trying to protect the writer which makes me think if she put in money for the PR. They sometimes say thimgs like "she has told us to do this..." ..or "she never told us this". Looks like she wrote a soft porn and then looked at the opportunity to make money out of BL market but to hide the abuse, she would have to do heavy PR...which this drama did do.
I watched a lot more episodes of this torture than you. Regret it wholeheartedly. I watched more episodes because…
First episode... I don't think you know that his act qualifies as that of a rapist under the legal definition. No wonder very young girls are okaying it. Or are they pretending that human rights actually don't exist in this modern drama...because I know some people would go that far to defend a rapist's act. As for the rest of the episodes, he is an abuser.
well...my theory sayslee soohyuk's character has the most S lines...probably cuz he donated his sperms somewhere...like…
The girl called him a "sex addict". He is into casual sex actually....I don't think he ever had a relationship though. Seems like some psychological block
no it's not? enough people don't think so hence the rating, you can't just enforce your will like that lol the…
Are you alright? Its an opinion...I am noy enforcing anything. Its not that serious...so many absolutely trashy dramas have more than 8.5 rating here. Lol! I like it...so I gave it a good rating. I wouldn't waste my time in the comments if I didn't like it though
I was wondering where the reviews were - turns out you have to click the review tab. When I read through them,…
This drama is so anti feminist /human rights in every way so I fully understand why it seems like an incel wrote it. One of the reasons I am so against it is because i understand what these female writers and audience are doing here. This actually has historical context.
Back in the days, when nothing was digital and porn was circulated through novels, a genre called "bodice rippers" was famous among women . Now, this was porn and it had all of these themes along with everything else and I don't personally judge porn. So, its okay.
However, some of the bodice rippers actually got sanitised by screenwriters and were presented as love stories. Bridgerton is one example of soft bodice rippers...it was very soft compared to hard core ones.
Not a single scene in Bridgerton was shot to glorify SA. Not a single one! Its not my fav show for multiple reasons but had they decided to show it, they would have shown the character as a irredeemable villain and that's something I appreciate about the drama writers and audience.
Few women started writing BLs in the style of bodice rippers. It normalised rape culture and had smut and everything which is more about sexual fantasy and less about excellent queer character representation.
Now, the audience of this drama is in FULL DENIAL mode. The reviews can give you trauma because you realise how predatory women can be. They consider it to be romantic and funny. Its lack of empathy for GAYS as in a part of it is rooted in Sexism. The drama isn't dark, its actually ignorant and disgusting but the Reviews are dark.
Before the negative reviews, most even flat out denied any abuse at all. Its people like you and a few others that forced them to acknowledge that bad writing and internalised mysogyny
Even If it was a third grade trashy copy of something like game of thrones, I would gladly accept it because then,…
Just the fact that someone has to compare a modern romance genre titled love with fantasy about barbarians of the middle ages tells you everything you need to know about the understanding of love and romance of the people loving the couple together. The writer of this drama has actually written it as "romantic". This is no fantasy land of barbarians. She actually thinks the main couple is cute together and she actually describes SA like how someone describes poetry or how epstein woud describe his island's beauty. The style of writing reveals a lot about what she is selling to teens...she is selling abuse wrapped as love and romanticising it.
She won't show that abused feels victimized or becomes insane...no no! She will actually show him happy in the arms of the rapist. That's her kind of love. She doesn't care about grabbing the throne or actually giving justice to revenge by killing or punishing chi cheng. Its about defiling people for the sake of it and then ...maybe "happy forever after abuse with a rapist".
This writer is someone very sinister and she knows there's no lack of perverts who will actually flat out deny the ML is rapist (because they have )
Actually, you are being realistic. Fans of this drama are living soo much in lala land that they are comparing this trash to the Godfather,joker and even game of thrones not knowing that none of those were about romance . Lol!
I don't think they understand the difference between showing rape or SA in setting that doesn't title itself "love" and doesn't romanticise it at all vs showing it as romance drama and selling it as love to audience instead of "war". Game of throne shows incest for an example and it shows morally deranged people. They start grooming minor kids from a young age. NO NORMAL HUMAN CALLS BROTHER SISTER F***ING "LOVE" and ships them like these folks. Nobody does that unless they are as deranged as PR of this drama.
The setting is not "modern" and these people existed before any real development of human rights. The Handmaiden shows people being brought as slaves...and treated like cattle. I am sure some of these people took back "romance" from the handmaiden when it was about brutality of japanese invasion and how masters groom slaves. I can bet people like these think its romance genre.
This story is wayy too trashy and wattpad rejected to be compared to these stories. I can't even believe the audacity to ask audience to watch it regardless because they think a trashy romance can be compared to the Godfather.
Even in GOT, the lead actress came out with the allegations that she was actually gaslit into doing many scenes, was exploited,pressurised and her consent was taken forgranted. Because of that, women have called out Hollywood actoes FOR OVEREXPOSURE and deliberate and senseless sex scenes to sell it more to male audience at the cost of consent of many of these actors.
Its sad that female audience is just as disgusting and they romaticise lack of consent.
I wrote my review ages ago and left after 8 eps and I am still being targeted. Every now and then, some new comment fully denies rape that happened and calls multiple violations "love"...
I liked his writing. His character was first trapped in writing and then he grappled with with reality. He was supposed to be the villain in that drama but he turned out to be far more interesting than the ML.
I don't think anyone was written as toxic in the drama like him...so ...no one could relate to him fighting his demons (especially the FL, who was written as some kind hearted girl)
He couldn't break character because the writing was all he knew and his journey and battles were interesting to watch. I personally, didn't care about any of their "love" stories because I find school love stories ridiculous anyway...if this was a cdrama, they would have done more justice to his villain to hero arc...but it was a kdrama and he was supposed to be the second lead so they didn't bother with that character too much. Still, he stood out quite a lot because the actor did justice to this character
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This isn't your normal toxic leads...these are hardened criminals. This is beyond red and green flag. Lol!
Since you said it, there is actually a straight drama about SA that got released this year...it The first frost. Its not my favorite work of the actors but the rapist's character was SPOT ON! They did such a good job with his portrayal and by showing how it affects the person who has experienced it.
This drama is made for PEOPLE WITH INTERNALISED MYSOGYNY. They are shutting down women who have that female gaze and are okay with ...idk if I can even call it male gaze...it would be so wrong ..so I am gonna call it "predator's gaze".
I agree! I didn't like the acting either
Well of course rapist and a S abuser is not gonna be a green flag. He should have ended up like most criminals end up in drama...why the romanticisation? Lol!
Also, they use another excuse like incels "learn to separate fantasy from reality". Fantasy world also has rules...like in a romance genre, you can't justify SA multiple times and you have to show consequences by killing/jailing the person for the act. You won't even believe that many are also trying to protect the writer which makes me think if she put in money for the PR. They sometimes say thimgs like "she has told us to do this..." ..or "she never told us this". Looks like she wrote a soft porn and then looked at the opportunity to make money out of BL market but to hide the abuse, she would have to do heavy PR...which this drama did do.
Back in the days, when nothing was digital and porn was circulated through novels, a genre called "bodice rippers" was famous among women . Now, this was porn and it had all of these themes along with everything else and I don't personally judge porn. So, its okay.
However, some of the bodice rippers actually got sanitised by screenwriters and were presented as love stories. Bridgerton is one example of soft bodice rippers...it was very soft compared to hard core ones.
Not a single scene in Bridgerton was shot to glorify SA. Not a single one! Its not my fav show for multiple reasons but had they decided to show it, they would have shown the character as a irredeemable villain and that's something I appreciate about the drama writers and audience.
Few women started writing BLs in the style of bodice rippers. It normalised rape culture and had smut and everything which is more about sexual fantasy and less about excellent queer character representation.
Now, the audience of this drama is in FULL DENIAL mode. The reviews can give you trauma because you realise how predatory women can be. They consider it to be romantic and funny. Its lack of empathy for GAYS as in a part of it is rooted in Sexism. The drama isn't dark, its actually ignorant and disgusting but the Reviews are dark.
Before the negative reviews, most even flat out denied any abuse at all. Its people like you and a few others that forced them to acknowledge that bad writing and internalised mysogyny
The writer of this drama has actually written it as "romantic". This is no fantasy land of barbarians. She actually thinks the main couple is cute together and she actually describes SA like how someone describes poetry or how epstein woud describe his island's beauty. The style of writing reveals a lot about what she is selling to teens...she is selling abuse wrapped as love and romanticising it.
She won't show that abused feels victimized or becomes insane...no no! She will actually show him happy in the arms of the rapist. That's her kind of love. She doesn't care about grabbing the throne or actually giving justice to revenge by killing or punishing chi cheng. Its about defiling people for the sake of it and then ...maybe "happy forever after abuse with a rapist".
This writer is someone very sinister and she knows there's no lack of perverts who will actually flat out deny the ML is rapist (because they have )
I don't think they understand the difference between showing rape or SA in setting that doesn't title itself "love" and doesn't romanticise it at all vs showing it as romance drama and selling it as love to audience instead of "war". Game of throne shows incest for an example and it shows morally deranged people. They start grooming minor kids from a young age. NO NORMAL HUMAN CALLS BROTHER SISTER F***ING "LOVE" and ships them like these folks. Nobody does that unless they are as deranged as PR of this drama.
The setting is not "modern" and these people existed before any real development of human rights.
The Handmaiden shows people being brought as slaves...and treated like cattle. I am sure some of these people took back "romance" from the handmaiden when it was about brutality of japanese invasion and how masters groom slaves. I can bet people like these think its romance genre.
This story is wayy too trashy and wattpad rejected to be compared to these stories. I can't even believe the audacity to ask audience to watch it regardless because they think a trashy romance can be compared to the Godfather.
Even in GOT, the lead actress came out with the allegations that she was actually gaslit into doing many scenes, was exploited,pressurised and her consent was taken forgranted.
Because of that, women have called out Hollywood actoes FOR OVEREXPOSURE and deliberate and senseless sex scenes to sell it more to male audience at the cost of consent of many of these actors.
Its sad that female audience is just as disgusting and they romaticise lack of consent.
I wrote my review ages ago and left after 8 eps and I am still being targeted. Every now and then, some new comment fully denies rape that happened and calls multiple violations "love"...
She loves the chaos
I don't think anyone was written as toxic in the drama like him...so ...no one could relate to him fighting his demons (especially the FL, who was written as some kind hearted girl)
He couldn't break character because the writing was all he knew and his journey and battles were interesting to watch. I personally, didn't care about any of their "love" stories because I find school love stories ridiculous anyway...if this was a cdrama, they would have done more justice to his villain to hero arc...but it was a kdrama and he was supposed to be the second lead so they didn't bother with that character too much. Still, he stood out quite a lot because the actor did justice to this character