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Yep. Is going to be interesting seeing people reactions to the next ep.

He cries more than two times, he is crying when they are having sex too, at least two times more, if you didn`t noticed.
It`s not easy to notice if you aren`t paying attention to the little little details and for people who haven`t read the spanish transcript. He is crying in the shower scene when he says he can`t do it anymore/ before they are moving from bathroom in bed. He says in the bathroom that they should stop there initially, but in the end he gives in. And he is also crying at the end, when they are about to finish having sex. But, i really get him, he has chosen to wait for Hira all this time, it was his first time after all, and while it was finally happening, i think he was overwhelmed too.
Our Kiyoi is a really emotional person when it comes to Hira.

Yes, the sex scenes in the CD are really moving, i almost cried too, i can`t wait to see what they wll show in the drama.

There is someone else working on translating the novel beside Straylations and who hopes she will finish translating the novel until next month. And after she has said she plans to translate the other two novels too.
I can`t give more details, i am just keeping in touch with the translator.
When the translation is finished and the translator decides to make it public ,i will post the translator website in the thread discussion i made for the English translation of the novel in the RECENT DISCUSSIONS section.

So true. You are right, it might have helped hahaha.
I really enjoyed the way you wroted your comment, is really funny.

I agree about this. I am also on the opinion that the production of a second season should be planned carefully, and not based only on audience request.
If the production team don`t have something different and important that they want to address or convey in the second season, is better to stop at season 1.
There are a lot of dramas that has multiple seasons where the other seasons had not managed to be as good and as liked as the first season.
And the popularity and people toughts on this drama are highly likely to change in the next episodes, so is better to first enjoy the upcoming eps first.

Thank you for sharing you toughts. I hope Utsukushii kare will follow Zettain Bl and Pornographer series, since the drama is as you said very well produced and the source material is amazing. Things will only get better story wise in the two other novels available, so is a pity if the story will stop here, but as long as the ending is great, i think many people will be contented too. It depends on the actors too, their availability and desire to play in another season, so we have to see.

Of course Kiyoi will get really jealous of Koyama and Hira relationship, at least in the beginning. But Hira don`t make things easier too, because he is not directly answering what he wants to do with his relationship with Koyama in the beginning.
Hira has decided really early to reject Koyama ( i give it to Hira, i really love him in those moments), so when Kiyoi is asking about what he will do when it comes to Koyama, Hira has already decided, but the dense and oblivious Hira don`t get the clue that Kiyoi is asking because he wants a serious answer that is important to him.
Koyama will do something to make trouble in Hira and Kiyoi relationship, and he is doing it in purpose. Is not something underhanded, he will only say some things that will really make Kiyoi angry, and this will make Kiyoi want to define once and for all what kind of relationship him and Hira have. Basically, what Koyama does will make Kiyoi impatient and want to confront Hira about their relationship.
About the moment Hira will realise Kiyoi likes him, yeah , this is..........GOD, this is the moment i wanted to hit Hira. It will happen very late in the story,most likely in the last episode. Like i mentioned before, Hira low self-esteem, his perception from high school that Kiyoi is really too far to grasp and is not someone he should hope he can have as a lover, combined with the fact that he never thought that Kiyoi might like him ( well this is also Kiyoi fault, his actions were too confusing in high school,). In essence Hira perception of his relationship with Kiyoi, which is something Kiyoi will be shocked too, will result in him really understanding that Kiyoi like him at the very end of the story in the novel. Is a very raw and honest revelation for Hira, and it feels is worth all the wait. The ending of the drama should be really memorable if they follow what happens in the novel and CD.

I will try, probably this will be a long post too.
I think the next ep will also have a lot of content from the CD with some little changes here and there, because this is what it looked to me from watching the preview of next episode.
So, in my opinion i think these are the things that will happen, at most in a slightly different order than in the CD:
--- they are going to show us Kiyoi POV of the things than happened in high school, but we will have to see if it will be shown at the beginning or as scenes that Kiyoi will remember as he interacts with Hira.
---- is obvious from the preview we will have Kiyoi calling Hira and realising he can`t be contacted and also Kiyoi finding Hira again with the "help" of Koyama brother, and making things happening for them to met again.
--- About Koyama and Hira status, i think the most likely situation is that Hira has rejected Koyama in ep 4 and was not shown and will continue to reject him, or he will reject him in the scene where Koyama is shown as being sick.
----They changed a bit the order of the scenes in the drama. Kiyoi has called Hira a bit more earlier than in the CD, at least this is what i remember but this don`t change things much ( in the CD Hira talks with Koyama, don`t go to meet him, and Koyama tells him that Kiyoi has been talking bad things about him to his brother to make Hira resent Kiyoi, but he will not get the reaction he wants, and Hira will not call Kiyoi for a month after, so Kiyoi is forced to call him after/ in the drama Kiyoi has called Hira before him going to meet Koyama because he is sick so we might not have the time skip of one month, and Kiyoi and Hira will interact more and more much more faster than in the CD.
---- I saw coincidentially a photo of Kiyoi being shirtless, and just out of having a bath, so we will most likely be shown that Hira and Kiyoi will become intimate ( you know what i am talking about).
---And about Koyama visit and him asking Kiyoi if he can stay at his house, will most likely replace the scene in the CD where Kiyoi comes to Hira house, but find out that Koyama and his friends are at his house. I think it was changed to be only Koyama, and this will make Kiyoi even more angry.
And after, i think you know what will most likely happen- they will finish the ep by showing Kiyoi finding out Koyama is at Hira house / or they they will show more, and we will also have Kiyoi getting angry, confronting Hira about their relationship, and leaving.
If we are shown until Kiyoi leaves and they will show more detail of that oral sex scene, i think we might get in the last ep, the scene of them actually having sex, i mean not as explicit as in the novel, but maybe they wil show something, since is important to the story.

Yes. They will not have much time to show a lot about him. From the preview i can tell he will bring some trouble in Hira and Kiyoi relationship next ep. This is for the better, but i was upset that he has done it purposefully, without even knowing what kind of complex relationship Hira and Kiyoi has.

Oh GOD. I will edit what i wrote immediately.
Sorry, i didn`t looked well enough. Now i will definitely not forget your username.
This happen quite frequently when i made long posts. I have to edit them a lot of times, and sometime some things i write are overlooked by me.

I`m in the same page with you on this.
A relationship is much more stronger and hard to shake when the people in it, know the other is strong enough to handle things in his own and when they only intervene at the moment when they feel the other person really need it. There is always better for couples to set boundaries they shouldn`t cross, because is only then when they can grow not only as a individual but as a couple in a relationship. Kiyoi is the one that will make sure the relationship between him and Hira will work all the time, because is the voice of reason in him and Hira relationship, and this is apparent when they are intimate and when they really start dating.
I know from experience that being told what to do, what is the right thing to do from another person perspective, or others making decisions on the behalf of someone else is very harmful, because it can affect a person in a way that they don`t know who they are anymore, and sometimes they can become too attached to the relationship, to the point they lose sight of who they really are.
I wish Japan will make more dramas similar with this.
I have made a reply to someone a few minutes ago where i described Koyama toughts about Hira and Kiyoi relationship and the issues he also have to work on, because he has some issues which is why i don`t think he is the right person to be with Hira.

Kiyoi started to like Hira from when they were in high school. But he has realised just how much he likes him only after they graduated, so he was really devastated when he observed Hira has cut contact with him.
I think the moment when he really started to be touched by Hira and his feelings has taken a romantic turn is when Hira has rebelled and was hitting Shirota in his behalf. You can see even from the preview of ep 5 that he is shocked and amazed by him, like he has not expected for him to do that at all. And is obvious something changed after---- he lets Hira kiss his hand, hangs out with him and is even more patient with the weird love Hira has for him.
Kiyoi notice that Hira like for him is not normal, and is really intense mixed with obesession, similar with those hardcore fans of celebrities, but he likes being watched by Hira in that way. And this is because Kiyoi likes this kind of irrational and hard to explain love that he might get from people. This is also why he wants to be a celebrity, he likes the attention, but at the same time he don`t like just everyone who might come across that is similar with Hira. Kiyoi was really charmed by the eyes Hira has when Hira looks at him, the way he can just tell he considers him beautiful for who he is, his personality traits, the way he is behaving and not for his physical trait, not for him being actually beautiful. Hira definition of beautiful refers to the fact that he really likes Kiyoi personality, behaviour, the fact that he is able to do whatever he wants without being considerate of others, because he is the opposite, so he really admires Kiyoi for being the way he is.

The reason why he waited for Hira and didn`t dated or slept with anyone before meeting Hira again, and ever after, because like you said, a lot of people would do anything to be with him, is because he really likes Hira. Kiyoi love for Hira is as intense as the one Hira has for him, is just that the love Kiyoi has for Hira is more normal. He decided he wants to have sex for the first time with someone he really likes, so this is why. God, Kiyoi inner toughts are really something else, hope we will get as many as they can add.

Huh. I don`t know that much, since i don`t know a lot of japanese, so i didn`t read the novels in japanese, i just know where to look for information. But i will try to explain what i think his issues are.
I only know what Koyama is like from listening to the CD and reading the translation of the CD drama, knowing a lot of what happens in the first novel, and because i had a conversation with someone who read the novel and has said that Koyama has some big issues to work on too.
From my observations and other people as well, Koyama has this hero complex, in that the feels the need to save people he encounters from other people he thinks they are toxic, not good for them, but at the same time, his hero complex is so big that he sees only one side of the story, and is unable to see things in context.
For exemple in his relationship with Hira, he thinks that Kiyoi is toxic and not good for Hira only after seeing that reunion with Hira. Well, in a way i would react the same, but most people will most likely wouldn`t want to get involved in other people "business"/personal life, even if they are friends or someone they like, but Koyama has a strong reaction on seeing that interaction between them, and has decided he will do all he can to get Hira away from Kiyoi.
Koyama has decided Kiyoi is only a jerk, asshole, who only wants to use Hira and take advantage of his love from him. But he is unable to see how problematic Hira behaviour is too and that he might also be at fault of why Kiyoi is behaving that way. Koyama has not way to know that all Hira wants is to be together with Kiyoi and serve him the way he has done before (like in that reunion scene Hira wanted to get in his knees for Kiyoi lol, his love for Kiyoi is not that normal.), and he is not even thinking to ask Hira about it, he only thinks that Hira is this innocent victim, and things don`t work this way.
Koyama won`t give up in making trouble even after Hira tells him that he knows that Kiyoi is not a good guy, that he knows how his real personality is, he don`t mind being called whatever by Kiyoi, and even after he understand that Hira knows what he is doing, and him wanting to be with Kiyoi is mutual.
Anyway, Koyama will become a bit manipulative in the next ep and is a bit manipulative in the novel, as he actively try to get Kiyoi angry and this will bring trouble in Kiyoi and Hira relationship. Hira notices the fact that Koyama can`t give up and is hurting himself so he really tries to avoid him for a long time, and Koyama will give up eventually and come to accept Hira decision, so they can continue being friends.
The hero complex might come from him seeing his brother being making fun and bullied when he was young, and is most likely that he himself was bullied or looked down/making fun to, because i think he sympathize too much with people who struggle with things in life in one way or the other. This is might also explain why deep down i feel that he is not as confident, sunny and rainbows than he appears, and that he also puts up a positive, easy going and friendly impression, probably as a way to protect himself. I am not saying he is not friendly, kind, easy going, is that i think he is trying too hard to put this front, for things to go the way he wants them to go.
Koyama is really opposite to Kiyoi in personality and the way they do things.
Anyway the novel and story is amazing, hope more people will try reading it when is translated. Even through it might not be for everyone, it makes for an interesting read since the characters are really complex and the psychological aspects are big and tackled well.
I wrote a lot again. This is my habit, i feel the neeed to express myself as well as i can, to avoid people misunderstanding what i want to say.

No. He has most likely hired someone else to do it.
Hira didn't offer to do it in the end and Kiyoi didn't mentioned it anymore.

Yes. I am so not ready to see Kiyoi when he will be close to crying and when he will actually cry. I am already predicting i am going to get really emotional.
I want to see the next eps you know, but when i think that we will see Kiyoi like this, i want to hit and shake Hira even more.
I don`t know why, but somehow i sympathize more with Kiyoi than Hira.

Oh no. This is definitely not a twist, lol. I mean people who pay attention can figure it out that the real him, when he is not working and when he is not with others is quite different than what he has shown. He is also especially weak when it comes to Hira, the fact that he cut off contact to him has hurt him a lot, so he is still a bit upset. He is still cool, but when it comes to Hira we will see a completely different side of him.
His personality will not do a 180 turn.
I had even watched the preview again and i can predict almost everything that will happen. Little changes are made, but they are few and needed to make the story more realistic.
I want the next episode to pass quickly, is my least favorite episode based on what i thInk will happen, but at least it will be the last episode Koyama will appear most likely.
I really disliked Koyama in the novel. Hira has done a good job on trying to distance for him, because otherwise he wouldn`t have taken the hint to not involve in Hira personal life and they wouldn`t be able to continue being friends. He will bring some trouble to Kiyoi and Hira relationship, but it was all for the better in the end.

This is what i was talking to XGourmet too. I also don`t remember a twist, but it may be that for us who read the novel is not perceived as a twist as people who don`t know that much about the source material.
I mean maybe the twist they refer is the fact that Kiyoi will walk away from Hira and stop pursuing him., but this is later . Or about the reveal of how unusual Hira love is for Kiyoi, which people didn`t guessed before.
I mean from the teaser for the next episode there is nothing that looks like a twist for me.

I have the same opinion about you as to why Kiyoi didn`t chose to get involved more, and stop all the bullying in Hira, even through i don`t know if he would be successful. I didn`t think about this more deeply, but you are right, this reason match his personality. Kiyoi hates to be seen as helpless and incapable the most, and he also don`t like showing weakness, crying and be criticizing by other for things he can change and improve on etc, God, he is such a complex character, i love him.
And he most likely tought that Hira would not like it either.
I really liked how you expressed yourself, you are amazing.

I don`t know what the twist people are talking about is, as i didn`t come across people talking about this, but maybe i didn`t perceive it as a twist, (because i already know what will most likely happen) but i can think about one, is probably related to Hira.
Until now we have been given a lot of hints that Hira is not the normal teenager guy, and that his love for Kiyoi is really different from other people and the love Kiyoi has for him. Kiyoi has noticed this from the time they were in school, i mean he is right a lot of times when he called Hira as creepy, but in the next episodes even him will be taken aback by the kind of love Hira has for him and how intense it is.
Hira love for Kiyoi can`t be explained in a few words, he is really close to obsession, and from what i observed is endless, like he would most likely love Kiyoi the most until the end of his life.
I think this is most likely one of the twists people are talking about and the end of the drama should be really interesting and memorable. I am looking forward to what people will think of the end.
The drama really followed closely the novel and CD until now, there were little differences. The differences actually made the story of Hira and Kiyoi in the drama have more depth. I have to wait until the drama ends, but i think this is one of the few Bl adaptations where i will consider the adaptation to be as good as the novel, even a bit better.
I think is because the novel is really different from other novels that were adapted until now, so the drama has a really different vibe from other BLs , which is also why this drama can be perceived quite differentely: like teenagers/young people will not look too much into it, and will just perceive the story at a superficial level ( and for them what happens in the next eps feels like a twist), adult people who looks into details and like to analyze the characters ( and they will most likely be able to predict what will happen next and will not be too surprised) and people who read the novel/listen to the CD ( who will most likely be less surprised and it will not come across as a twist).

You will want to jump through the screen and slap some sense into Hira and Kiyoi even more the next two eps, especially Hira. I honestly wanted to hit Hira at some point in the novel and shake him a bit for him to acquire some common sense.
What happened until now is nothing, the most frustrating parts according to the novel and CD will be in the next two episodes, but the drama should end in a memorable way. I hope so , at least it should be, if it follows what happens in the novel. I loved the end of the novel, it ends in a really unexpected way.
The source material is really psychological. Nagira Yuu, the author of the novel is known for her preference in writing complex characters with traumas and unhealthy issues who will have to work on them to get better ( the character development of her characters is amazing) and dark and controversial themes. From what i observed even through things were changed a bit, the drama has really tried to tell the story as closer to the novel as they can, because even through things were changed a bit, the drama gives me the same atmosphere, i don`t know how to say it better.
Actually from what i read , the novel series that Utsukushii kare is part of ( i mean the novel, as it has the same name), is one of her most light, relaxing and funny to read, as the characters will mature together and be able to be together happily in the novel much more easier than the characters in her other novels.
The relationship between Hira and Kiyoi in this adaptation of the first novel is not toxic, but it is unhealthy. But is not the most unhealthy relationship that can be found in BL, and this is because the basis of the relationship is there, they both love each other for the right reasons, is just that they have to have a serious conversation about Hira perception of his relationship with Kiyoi. Kiyoi is actually a normal guy ( is just that he naturally has a tough personality, and is hard to aproach) . Hira is the one that will prevent their relationship to progress ( even through Hira was the one that liked Kiyoi first) and people will see this in the next episodes.

I will only add some things i know about this that Rahab75 and Nana has not mentioned. What i am going to say is also based on the info i know from the novel too.
For the period that he is in high school, Hira sexuality is hard to define. He definitely likes Kiyoi, he even admited it, but at the beginning it was not in a sexual way, he liked him because he considered him beautiful. But in Hira eyes, the term beautiful is not the same as a physical trait, but the fact that he likes the way he is behaving, his cool and confident personality and the fact that he always does what he wants without being considerate of others, he is the opposite, so he admire these traits in him.
Hira is a really different from other characters that can be found in BL ( the novel is psychological for a reason) , his toughts in the novel are even more creepy than in the drama ( he has really unhealthy toughts about Kiyoi, but in a way who don`t have when he is a teenager, the problem is that it continues even after his reunion with Hira). Hira love for Kiyoi is mixed with this exaggerated admiration and worship, he wants to worship Kiyoi like a monk, at least this is what he tells himself, but is not true, he is lying to himself.
Anyway, in time Hira will be attracted by Kiyoi physically, the masturbation scene is a big hint. I think in the period when he is in high school Hira is confused, because if we think in a logical way, because he likes Kiyoi he is most likely gay, but because he can`t perceive that Kiyoi will ever come to like him ( like his expectation on this is zero) and he also don`t thinks that Kiyoi is someone he can aspire to have/that he can grasp, he don`t think much about his sexuality ( this can be a spoiler for people who didn`t understood Hira character, but it will be revealed in the next eps) . From what i read Hira will identify himself as gay in the second novel, or he has to admit it at least, because yes, he will be in a relationship with Kiyoi so people will see them as a gay couple.
Ask me if you want to know anything else, but basically, a lot of questions left unaswered should be revealed in the next eps , especially the weird and twisted toughts Hira has about Kiyoi. I mean is not that he don`t genuinely likes Kiyoi, because he does, but he needs a seriously wake up call from his made up fantasies about Kiyoi.
Kiyoi asked Hira if he is gay because most probably wanted to know if he is gay as well. Actually Kiyoi was a bit confused too in this period of time about what to do with his relationship with Hira, but he definitely wanted to keep in touch with Hira.
About why Kiyoi asked Hira if he has something to say to him, is because he wanted a confession, but because he didn`t get it, and combined with the impulsive kiss, he was taken aback and he wrongly pushed Hira. He will regret this a lot, we will see this next ep.
In Japan there is this tradition where in the graduation day, people who had liked someone over the years, classmates or people for other classes will confess to that person by saying it directly that they like them or writing a letter. And this happen quite a lot in reality, this is why is in a lot of japanese movies, dramas, novels, manga etc, The reason is that being the last day of school, people have more courage to confess in this day, since they will not see each other again anyway.