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Nope, you definitely are not alone. The majority of the people who make comments in this page are rooting for Hira and Kiyoi to be together. If you scroll down you will see just how many people are actually making comments defending Kiyoi and still rooting for them.This page has actually grown a lot compared to two weeks ago, as more and more people are writing comments and discussing the eps quite seriously.
Is also the fact that the majority of serious discussions can be found in the comments hidden as spoilers.

I want to share this fanmade MV of ep 4, because is just too well done. It has to be the best MV with Hira and Kiyoi that can be found in youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOcvTtnyqA

Thank you for taking your time in writing all this. We have a really similar opinion about this. I have a lot of knowledge about the novel and CD, but even if i hadn`t, i will have the same toughts as you.I also experienced a light degree of bullying when i was in middle school, but it had impacted me all the way to high school, because i couldn`t get rid of the feeling of being excluded, and most of the time i was the one who excluded myself, so when i saw you mentioning that the feeling of being excluded is the most hurtful aspect of getting bullied, it has tugged on my heartstrings really. I agree about everything you said about Kiyoi not being a bully. Is also important to understand that things has to be seen in perspective, in my opinion only when someone is actively bullying someone is a bully, not matter what other people opinion are on this. In reality, nobody has any obligation to be nice, kind or good to other people. It`s a person right to choose if they want to help someone, if they want to ignore a person or pretend to not see what it happens. Just because a person don`t intervine to help someone, don`t mean are they are a bully. Taking one decision or another is more about a person choosing how to live their life. People have their own life to live, their own worries and reasons for not wanting to get involved.For me, is obvious that Kiyoi has not been actively bullying Hira. I think Kiyoi knew that Hira will be most likely bullied anyway taking in consideration how awkward he is in their interaction to people, so he tried to include him. By including him, he made him one of the people he hangs out too, and he can prevent the bullying to get even worse. And he has chosen to help him to the end when he has taken his side in front of Shirota even through in the eyes of others he don`t have what it takes to be the "king" in the class anymore and to take all the important decisions. Kiyoi didn`t have to take the decisions he had made and didn`t have to protect Hira in a lot of situations, but he still did it.Also, like you said, when they are alone, Kiyoi is the only person that was treating Hira equally, see him as he is, and he is not feeling pity for him or is acting reserved towards him. And Hira knows this, these are some of the reasons why he liked so much Kiyoi in high school, and why he can`t forget him. I think the feeling of being together with the other, that only them have, is the most important reason of why both of them can`t give up on the other.

Thank you. You are amazing.

Is not fair to compare Koyama and Kiyoi like this, especially when people hasn`t watched Kiyoi POV yet. Koyama and Kiyoi are miles apart in personality, is like choosing to live a totally different life for the remaining of his life, because dating Kiyoi or Koyama will open a future path for Hira that is really different than choosing the other one.
Is not right for us to speak in the behalf of the characters. We aren`t the characters, we don`t have their life experience and we don`t know what kind of investment and feelings the characters have for each other.
We can intuite it, guess Hira toughts, but we aren`t him, there are a lot of times that the heart wants what he wants, and for some people this is more important than any other things. If it was someone else, maybe he would have chosen Koyama, but for Hira, Kiyoi is everything he aspire to be, he is someone he needs to be happy.
Long term, being with someone you really really love than settling with someone else can be life changing to people, especially with a person like Hira, because even when people grow old they wouldn`t have regrets about it. Koyama has his issues too, he is not without flaws based on the novel, but i think they will not have the time to show this.
If Kiyoi was violent or abusive in his relationship with Hira, or someone who will made him do things against his will , yes, i would seriously consider Koyama is better than Kiyoi. But i wouldn`t hope for Hira to end up with him if he don`t genuinely like Koyama, because it will hurt both of them.
I`m also not the kind of person to settle for someone, because life is too short, sad things can happen anytime, and i want to spend the remaining of my life with someone who i really like. I had the chance to settle, but i didn`t, because i felt in my heart that i will not be happy in the future.
Of course is good to see the realistic side of those things too, because not everyone is lucky to encounter someone who they will really genuinely love, a love that strong that you just want to be together with that person, but i`m in the opinion that if is found, it shouldn`t be let go. Of course , this is from my perspective, i understand some people will not agree with my take on this.

I can help you with the CD in japanese too if you are an adult and don`t mind listening to intimate explicite sex scenes. since it has two. It will really change the perception of the characters relationship you have before and after listening to it.
Is enough to understand what it happens if people have been watching japanese movies and dramas from a long time. And you have the spanish transcript to look at, if you are confused.

https://suzumiya-bren.blogspot.com/2021/07/utsukushii-kare-espanol18bl.html?m=1

I will DM you where you ca find it.

This is such an interesting analyse of Hira behaviour . This is why writing and reading comments are fun if they are done in a serious way.
And yes, you are right, most likely lot of people who are watching this drama are teenagers who just watch the drama quickly and move on to other things.

Yes. They are so amazing. God, they deserve an award.

Yep, i want to second this. After the last ep finish airing , people who don`t mind listening to intimate scenes, should really listen to the CD, i promise it will really change the perception of the characters relationship people will have before and after listening to it. But ONLY IF YOU ARE ADULTS OKAY , ONLY ADULTS, because it has some really explicit descriptions of what it happens.Is enough to understand what it happens if people have been watching japanese movies and dramas from a long time. I understood what it happens even more accurately than people who have read the spanish transcript of the audio drama.

People will be surprised by how much Kiyoi will have to do to get Hira to get it that he likes him. I am also really curious just how much they will show.
Hira is really dense, oblivious, like you said he is really really unable to think Kiyoi might like him, and he will not get it even after Kiyoi and Hira do things only people who are lovers do.
He is this kind of dense, i mean even i am so frustrated by him, Kiyoi is a saint compared with me.
There is this scene when i was like WHAT THE HECK DUDE, YOU DON`T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE. I honestly really wanted to hit him.
This is also why i am really frustrated reading some comments here where
people are only seeing Hira side.
Hira has even more issues that he has to work on than Kiyoi and he is lucky Kiyoi hasn`t given up on them.

Yes. Kiyoi will just have to work harder.
I really enjoyed reading your comment.

Woa. Your analysis is amazing, and you expressed it in a very beautiful way.
I do have a lot of knowledge about the novel and the CD, so i know that all you writed is really close to how Kiyoi personality is and that those are the reasons behind his actions.
As someone who knows what happens in the novel, i want to tell you that you are right about this.
People will see how Kiyoi actually is in the next eps, but i am always surprised by how people are seeing things only from Hira perspective. Is not only this, even if the first eps were not from Hira POV, i still think a lot of people will misunderstand Kiyoi, because this is the impression some of the comments i read here gives me.
I have this impression that a lot of people only read the words the characters are saying and watch the drama only to pass time, without looking at the expressions of the characters, body language, and thinking in context about JUST WHY THOSE CHARACTERS ACT LIKE THIS ? I mean how many posibilities can be, and when you see the order of the scenes, you should be able to understand Kiyoi too, even though the way the story is told is misleading because of Hira POV.
And also thank you for everything you wrote in the comment, i really enjoyed it,

The novel is only at the beginning stage of being translated, it can be found here.
https://mydramalist.com/discussions/utsukushii-kare/67669-utsukushii-kare-english-novel.
There is someone else currently working in translating the novel in english beside the translation from Straylations, so maybe i will be available next month. I don`t know more details, i just keep in touch with the translator.
The CD is only available in japanese.
There is only available an CD transcript in spanish.

Yes. It feels like they have really grown a lot and come to really understand each other, even through not many time has passed.
Solving misunderstandings and being really honest with each other has done wonders for them.

YES. I also think is very clever they have chosen to reveal it as part of Kiyoi POV.

I remember some things a bit different, but this might be because i also listened to the audio drama, so i have a more good grasp on when things happen, what are the things Kiyoi says in his mind and what he is actually saying to Hira.
From what i remember, the order is this: Kiyoi decide to confront Hira about why he can`t even imagine being lovers with him and them dating, when Hira basically indirectly says he don`t want to be his boyfriend, Kiyoi asks Hira that he didn`t ever tought that he might like him,?, Kiyoi leaves and say to Hira that he will not come back and only after he leaves he starts to cry. He cries only after he leaves and Hira still don`t get it that Kiyoi likes him,
Even after this conversation between them, Hira don`t get it that Kiyoi likes him, i really wanted to hit Hira because of this, i was like, DUDE YOU DON`T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE?, WHAT THE HECK. Well at least Hira choose to search for Kiyoi again and discuss things.
Hira decides to look for Kiyoi again after two weeks, there are this two weeks between the next time they meet, which is important because it makes Kiyoi impatient and he starts to miss Hira, this is also why he will have that breakdown and he will be honest with his feelings. This is also the moment Hira finally get it and really understood once and for all that Kiyoi really likes him.
IF PEOPLE READ THIS, THEY WILL ALREADY KNOW ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, but i`m sure what will happen in the eps can still surprise us.

Yes. You are really amazing for mentioning this, because i wouldn`t be able to make a post like this in a million years, hahhaha. Is just so not my style.
And i don`t know if you listened to the audio drama/CD or only read the spanish translation of it, but listening to the audio drama you can really grasp just how much they love each other, i am getting emotional only by thinking about this.
The sex scenes are really amazing, and is where the deepness of their feelings for each other come across.
The sex scenes really reveals how much they love each other, based on who , how and when they give in to the other. The way they really understand the other and want the other to be happy is amazing.
And also i feel i can really understand Kiyoi in the sex scenes, you just can`t doubt his feelings for Hira when your read or listen to the sex scenes.
Their first time having sex is just mindblowing, ( them actually having penetrative sex) and i can really tell in these moments that Kiyoi is the voice of reason in Hira and Kiyoi relationship and the one that puts a limit to Hira in a lot of aspects and manage to ground him in reality. And Hira is willing to not cross the boundary and he only does things that is given permision to do. There is a really harmonious balance between them when they are intimate. I was amazed.
Nagira Yuu has another novel translated, i should give it a try, he is a veteran when it comes to writing sex scenes. I mean i read a lot of BL novels, being chinese, japanese, western gay books, but it was a long time since i was so moved by the sex scenes like how this CD and novel has done it for me.