Your review really make sens. I was about to write about a point, but you made it: Some people said Mouse was a kind of extravagant drama with plot-twists from nowhere. It's the exact opposite. It's one of the most constructed script I could watch. A 20h complex structure, each scene from the start make sens until end of the drama. An amazing work from the screenwriter. I found that easy to watch and understand, but it was crazy difficult to write. There is a lot of plot-twists, but with a meaning and a cause/effect driven by the main plot. So, very good plot-twists. Prepared from the start, even before to write the single line of script, during the preparation phase. You said the show isn't flawless, it's right. But anyway it's impossible to be flawless with a so intricated structure and so many hyperlinks. It's the price to pay.
Best K drama ever. Don’t know how can someone dislike this masterpiece.
It need maybe a specific mindset to fully enjoy this. But yes, for people having that, it's an absolute masterpiece. More, the screenplay is one of the best (I looked at several different kdrama screenplay), and get the MBC prize. Not just the story, but the way it's told in the script. If you liked the show for how smart each moment is, each line of dialogs and complex set-up, maybe you could enjoy to read the season 2 (go to the link on my profile). I wrote it because I couldn't do otherwise (too many ideas). But I wrote it also for fans liking and understanding the first season, not just romance, but the whole style, with emotional rollercaster, endless series of plot-twists, logic and crazyness.
Short parody of a scene from episode 7, with madam president of Korea. --------------------------------------------------
OFFICER - President, we found something in the garbage. PRESIDENT - Who put it there? OFFICER - I don't know (hands the item to the President). PRESIDENT - (Takes the item and examines it) A candy bar wrapper. OFFICER - What do we do with it, President? PRESIDENT - Throw it in the garbage.
I'm not fan of american shows, but if you wan't to see this kind of drama with lot of good sport scenes, watch…
Your feeling about american football is exactly what was my own feeling about that. Looking like a basic sport of brute force, etc. More silly than rugby. Since I read a lot about that, I changed my mind. It's highly tactical.
Apart that, I know really nothing about sports. I don't practice nor I watch it on TV. It's not I dislike it, I've just have no interest, except maybe martial arts because I praticed. So, it don't mean I couldnt like dramas about that. Racket Boys look like a good one. It was already on my radar. But I have a so big list of dramas to watch, maybe better ones before this. My way too choose is a bit erratic. For HSL, it was because of the main actor. I saw him in some other dramas, and it was a amazing actor. A top 5 of best villains in kdrama in "Remember: war of the son". In this, he make you stand up from your chair, scream and launch something at TV so you hate him, lol! Maybe I answered to a forum post here about best villains in kdrama.
About baseball, well, only thing I watched is also a japanese anime called "One Outs". My motivation was because the storyteller is the same than "Liar game". So it's about baseball, a lot of match and action, but in a very biased way. Nothing heroic. It's about money, psychological manipulation, corruption, even cheating. Even on the field. It's about a unknow player winning money on illegal bets. Then this guy enter the professionnal field. We can say this hero look a lot like a bad guy, but he just face baddest guys. Of course, he's clever and have a huge self confidence and cold blood. Of course, and beware... you are hooked on first episode!
I'm not fan of american shows, but if you wan't to see this kind of drama with lot of good sport scenes, watch…
Hi, yeah, US show are now very bad. More than 12 years I don't watch anymore. I can't list all the reason why, there is more than one. Maybe the biggest one is lack of feeling and real human emotion. Even the actors are quite good, it's not enough when the script and directing are unable to make it. I still remember some good older show, well packed about action, plot-twists and cliffhangers, without some huge flaws we get now.
FNL is a older show. Maybe the closest series that could have some korean feeling. At least, I can just say it's the only US show that had a scene that made me cry (it was in season 3 maybe, I don't remember exactly). I can quickly say than just episode 1 give a lot about the way it's done, and immediatly addictive. Of course not for everybody. But if you get that feeling of near documentary way to do I told, it's almost sure you are in from the start and get a huge "woo". Also FNL is somehow a way to show texas without filter. Maybe a lot of people have a lot of pre-judgement about this place, and not always in a good way. Not the texas of big cities like Dallas but the country and small towns. Hope of people and why football is so much important for them. The serie made me quite entousiast, and before to go further, I opened a book and read what are the rules of american football. I wanted to understand more what happen during matchs. But here too, the show is quite well made, it wasn't so usefull because we understand what happen.
HSL is more about management, I'm ok with that because I already know before to watch it would be that. Also, I've no real feeling for baseball and don't know very much about that. Sports show have a bit of commons tropes. Bad teams becoming good, then winning, etc. It's quite addictive, even we know how it work.
I wish I had watched this before The Veil, that one coloured the way I'm looking at this (particularly in ML's…
I'm not fan of american shows, but if you wan't to see this kind of drama with lot of good sport scenes, watch Friday night light. Story center on the coach rather than on the manager. There is a near documentary feeling in the show. It's made by a great cinema director, Peter Berg, guy how made famous movies like Deepwater Horizon or 22 Miles.
The drama is good, and no need to know something about baseball or even to like that. At episode 7, I spotted something looking like a plot-hole. Or really, I can't understand this situation. The owner of the club hire Baek Seung Soo, so why just a few times after, he already wan't to fire him and replace him with another guy ? It don't make sens.
I finally watched this and the director claimed this is his own original idea but its clearly a copy of Kaiji…
I didn't read the manga, but have to say it's far better to watch the anime first than the movies. It's made in a way the emotions and intensity are really high. Season 2 is a bit less good in the way the situation about pachinko is sometimes too long, but there is also huge rewards because it lead to so awesome scenes. First part of season 2 and its conclusion is also so great.
I'm also an absolute fan of the japanese drama "Liar game". Here too, it's not deadly like squid game is. But intensity is far better, well, everything is far better, and ultimate smart and mind blowing content, with manga-like crazy montage. A real piece of art, for a low budget. Just with few money, talentuous people can make content far better than anything else, and make feel there is as many money on this than on squid game.
Squid game violence is almost free violence. Violence for nothing, in the way it don't have an effect, except to be shocking for a few time only. It feel empty. Look more like an american show than kdrama. You know, many deaths but nobody care. Also, I can't classify squid game as a kdrama, it's rather a movie cut in parts. Because it's not the kind of content a kdrama can have, too much violence, people smoking, sex scene, etc.
Very good drama. Almost all is ok, great acting, great directing, good script. High emotion. I usualy don't like stories about psycho-killers, but this one was worth watching.
Director Kim Chul Gyu made Hwang Jin Yi in 2006, if you watched this drama, you could see it don't look like a 2006 drama, it was 10 years ahead about quality.
I give a plus to your review, even I think I liked the drama much than you. Acting was great, and at episode 4 I was conviced with some great scenes and a troop of ugly and bad people well made. But on the long run, yes, it's quite grotesque. We know it's a drama, so not too dramatic, when real events of the story should be more disturbing. The good guys are victorious, far too easy, with rocky music and slow motion when the band walk. A bit too overthetop and unrealistic. Grotesque is the word. My note is 7 too, what is still good. The drama is never boring and there is punchy, good scenes all along, and a wonderfull and sexy woman antagonist.
I am a huge fan of Korean drama but have managed to avoid Squid Games as it sounds rather violent, even reprehensibly…
Not really. You can read my comment on the drama thread, 6 day ago. It's a quick review without spoiler. Overall, the drama fall flat. With also some flaws like : "people tell about their life" in some boring scenes. Main character start as an anti-hero, looser-gamer. So they tried to make it like Kaiji. Except they need half an episode for that, instead of Kaiji fast pace (I speak about the anime only, that is far better than the movies). Then Kaiji remain faithfull to its character when squid game anti-hero loose quickly its background, and we don't feel it's made into action later. So, the character background could be just something else. I don't know why the drama have so much success because everything almost was already made elsewhere. Maybe a good publicity. And probably, people don't know from where the ideas come. So it's a bit like the "liar game" korean drama. You can find it nice when you watch it first. But it's quite a bad drama if you compare with the original japanese drama.
there is a fierce battle to know what is the most boring drama in history. Goblin or Hospital Playlist ? I think before HP, Goblin was the most boring but not anymore. HP is more boring. So I'm sorry for Goblin because it was its only way to be first about something.
Not great and depressing. Most of the ideas come from the manga/anime Kaiji in a far less good version. (with a copy-paste regarding the bridge game). The most amazing thing: Squid game accumulates deaths, while in Kaiji, it is not a death game (although there are some deaths sometimes), and yet the nervous tension and suspense are much higher in Kaiji. So... Squid game puts in scene some deadly situations... without really feeling the danger or the anguish of the characters, who seem to walk around in there like in a vacation weekend. The positive points of the drama are the scenes that are original and do not come from another movie/series of the same genre (Battle royale, hunger game, etc). The costumes for example. Or the staircase room. Another positive point, referring to Eye wide shut, or even Salo, the rich people who take advantage of the games. Rather realistic in a way, and scary because it exists. However, the performance of the English speaking actors is mediocre. Well, rather, as usual in kdramas. I think that it remains well seen especially since the sets are excellent (painted bodies, we do not know if they are real or not). And we are used to this kind of poorly held roles in kdramas so we can overlook the rendering.
The end is total frustration!!(see more in spoiler)
So.... how Luna can breath in the void and don't suffer void decompression. 10-8 Pa ! And what happen next ??? Also... how can water replicate without law of matter conservation ? It don't make sens, even the drama think about to say it.
It make a motivation to watch this drama. Look like a drama with some makjang but not too much. Kind of like Queen of ambition maybe. I put this on my to watch list.
Thank you about your review. You made the list of all mistakes I don't wan't in a semi-realistic SF drama. It's better to watch a movie like Appolo 13. I don't expect SF stories to be perfect about science accuracy, but it need something real. A movie like Interstellar is good about that, it take real science, just twist it a bit when story need, but not too much. And like you, I can't stand to see Astronauts without seriousness, speaking and conflicting like everyday people. Real astronauts are also selected because their psychological stability and cold blood. Just see Dave in 2001 space odyssey.
Some people said Mouse was a kind of extravagant drama with plot-twists from nowhere.
It's the exact opposite.
It's one of the most constructed script I could watch. A 20h complex structure, each scene from the start make sens until end of the drama. An amazing work from the screenwriter.
I found that easy to watch and understand, but it was crazy difficult to write.
There is a lot of plot-twists, but with a meaning and a cause/effect driven by the main plot. So, very good plot-twists. Prepared from the start, even before to write the single line of script, during the preparation phase.
You said the show isn't flawless, it's right. But anyway it's impossible to be flawless with a so intricated structure and so many hyperlinks. It's the price to pay.
If you liked the show for how smart each moment is, each line of dialogs and complex set-up, maybe you could enjoy to read the season 2 (go to the link on my profile). I wrote it because I couldn't do otherwise (too many ideas). But I wrote it also for fans liking and understanding the first season, not just romance, but the whole style, with emotional rollercaster, endless series of plot-twists, logic and crazyness.
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OFFICER - President, we found something in the garbage.
PRESIDENT - Who put it there?
OFFICER - I don't know (hands the item to the President).
PRESIDENT - (Takes the item and examines it) A candy bar wrapper.
OFFICER - What do we do with it, President?
PRESIDENT - Throw it in the garbage.
Thanks to a bit of "preparation" to it.
Apart that, I know really nothing about sports. I don't practice nor I watch it on TV. It's not I dislike it, I've just have no interest, except maybe martial arts because I praticed. So, it don't mean I couldnt like dramas about that.
Racket Boys look like a good one. It was already on my radar. But I have a so big list of dramas to watch, maybe better ones before this.
My way too choose is a bit erratic. For HSL, it was because of the main actor. I saw him in some other dramas, and it was a amazing actor. A top 5 of best villains in kdrama in "Remember: war of the son". In this, he make you stand up from your chair, scream and launch something at TV so you hate him, lol! Maybe I answered to a forum post here about best villains in kdrama.
About baseball, well, only thing I watched is also a japanese anime called "One Outs". My motivation was because the storyteller is the same than "Liar game". So it's about baseball, a lot of match and action, but in a very biased way. Nothing heroic. It's about money, psychological manipulation, corruption, even cheating. Even on the field. It's about a unknow player winning money on illegal bets. Then this guy enter the professionnal field. We can say this hero look a lot like a bad guy, but he just face baddest guys. Of course, he's clever and have a huge self confidence and cold blood. Of course, and beware... you are hooked on first episode!
EDIT: I used your website about anime, here the page :
https://anidb.net/anime/6139
FNL is a older show. Maybe the closest series that could have some korean feeling. At least, I can just say it's the only US show that had a scene that made me cry (it was in season 3 maybe, I don't remember exactly).
I can quickly say than just episode 1 give a lot about the way it's done, and immediatly addictive. Of course not for everybody. But if you get that feeling of near documentary way to do I told, it's almost sure you are in from the start and get a huge "woo".
Also FNL is somehow a way to show texas without filter. Maybe a lot of people have a lot of pre-judgement about this place, and not always in a good way. Not the texas of big cities like Dallas but the country and small towns. Hope of people and why football is so much important for them. The serie made me quite entousiast, and before to go further, I opened a book and read what are the rules of american football. I wanted to understand more what happen during matchs. But here too, the show is quite well made, it wasn't so usefull because we understand what happen.
HSL is more about management, I'm ok with that because I already know before to watch it would be that. Also, I've no real feeling for baseball and don't know very much about that. Sports show have a bit of commons tropes. Bad teams becoming good, then winning, etc. It's quite addictive, even we know how it work.
At episode 7, I spotted something looking like a plot-hole. Or really, I can't understand this situation.
The owner of the club hire Baek Seung Soo, so why just a few times after, he already wan't to fire him and replace him with another guy ? It don't make sens.
Season 2 is a bit less good in the way the situation about pachinko is sometimes too long, but there is also huge rewards because it lead to so awesome scenes. First part of season 2 and its conclusion is also so great.
I'm also an absolute fan of the japanese drama "Liar game". Here too, it's not deadly like squid game is. But intensity is far better, well, everything is far better, and ultimate smart and mind blowing content, with manga-like crazy montage. A real piece of art, for a low budget. Just with few money, talentuous people can make content far better than anything else, and make feel there is as many money on this than on squid game.
Squid game violence is almost free violence. Violence for nothing, in the way it don't have an effect, except to be shocking for a few time only. It feel empty. Look more like an american show than kdrama. You know, many deaths but nobody care. Also, I can't classify squid game as a kdrama, it's rather a movie cut in parts. Because it's not the kind of content a kdrama can have, too much violence, people smoking, sex scene, etc.
I usualy don't like stories about psycho-killers, but this one was worth watching.
Acting was great, and at episode 4 I was conviced with some great scenes and a troop of ugly and bad people well made.
But on the long run, yes, it's quite grotesque. We know it's a drama, so not too dramatic, when real events of the story should be more disturbing. The good guys are victorious, far too easy, with rocky music and slow motion when the band walk. A bit too overthetop and unrealistic. Grotesque is the word.
My note is 7 too, what is still good. The drama is never boring and there is punchy, good scenes all along, and a wonderfull and sexy woman antagonist.
It's a quick review without spoiler. Overall, the drama fall flat.
With also some flaws like : "people tell about their life" in some boring scenes.
Main character start as an anti-hero, looser-gamer. So they tried to make it like Kaiji. Except they need half an episode for that, instead of Kaiji fast pace (I speak about the anime only, that is far better than the movies). Then Kaiji remain faithfull to its character when squid game anti-hero loose quickly its background, and we don't feel it's made into action later. So, the character background could be just something else.
I don't know why the drama have so much success because everything almost was already made elsewhere. Maybe a good publicity. And probably, people don't know from where the ideas come. So it's a bit like the "liar game" korean drama. You can find it nice when you watch it first. But it's quite a bad drama if you compare with the original japanese drama.
Most of the ideas come from the manga/anime Kaiji in a far less good version. (with a copy-paste regarding the bridge game). The most amazing thing: Squid game accumulates deaths, while in Kaiji, it is not a death game (although there are some deaths sometimes), and yet the nervous tension and suspense are much higher in Kaiji.
So... Squid game puts in scene some deadly situations... without really feeling the danger or the anguish of the characters, who seem to walk around in there like in a vacation weekend.
The positive points of the drama are the scenes that are original and do not come from another movie/series of the same genre (Battle royale, hunger game, etc). The costumes for example. Or the staircase room.
Another positive point, referring to Eye wide shut, or even Salo, the rich people who take advantage of the games. Rather realistic in a way, and scary because it exists. However, the performance of the English speaking actors is mediocre. Well, rather, as usual in kdramas. I think that it remains well seen especially since the sets are excellent (painted bodies, we do not know if they are real or not). And we are used to this kind of poorly held roles in kdramas so we can overlook the rendering.
And what happen next ???
Also... how can water replicate without law of matter conservation ?
It don't make sens, even the drama think about to say it.
(see more in spoiler)
And like you, I can't stand to see Astronauts without seriousness, speaking and conflicting like everyday people. Real astronauts are also selected because their psychological stability and cold blood. Just see Dave in 2001 space odyssey.