There's no plot-hole when it comes to Lee Lim killing his future himself. The Lee Lim we see next is from 1994. But no matter what, if there is no plot-hole, at least there is a real hole in the narrative. If any viewer can't understand this, it's because there is no sufficient indication, apart from a dialogue and no explanation of the process of time travel. And I suppose you must have experienced the rest of the drama in confusion, or rather, an additional confusion accumulated to all the previous ones. This drama is just painful and doesn't bring any pleasure, immersion or emotion, because of all the cases like this.
Ah ah, my poor friend, you're making a logical argument! What's the point? Drama fans will just say it's up to the student to piece together the missing equation. Everyone will come up with a different and wrong result, and the teacher will never give the answer. One day, some crazy prophet, pretty expert at conning celebrities, will come along and say...
The solution was simple and beautiful: 0 = 1.
Easy, and valid for any random math problem ! In the meantime, everyone will have gotten a zero on the exam and will be disgusted with math forever. Disgusted with the teacher, and the writer, too.
this comment section was besieged by a few vocal haters. it appears the majority preferred to voice their opinion…
Aaaah, these famous "haters", which describe precisely in a rational and argued way what are the flaws of the drama, how, why, in the smallest details. And what about the fans who are still besieging this topic? I should leave, really, but it wasn't polite to stop by without saying hello ;-)
I was also hesitating at first. But saw some good reviews on twitter and other platforms. So I watched this whole…
this commentator might as well say the opposite: that people don't like drama because they don't like LMH. I feel like I see drama when I read this, LOL! We're never done laughing here. ^^
"the best kind of teacher is one who does not spoon-feed but gives the students enough knowledge and drive to find the solution by themselves"
Well, that's also one of the things that's done wrong, the inability to produce that effect! The whole system of clues is messed up, no focus at the right time, all upside down. The spectator never gets the benefit of his discoveries nor have proof afterward. The great authors of cinema are talented enough to make the truth arrive in the spectator's mind like a flash of light! This is difficult to do, and often, for it to work, it is limited to a reasonable number of occurrences.
Apart from that you're wrong, well, to say that, we should already know what this famous spoon means. But there are other ways of cognitive assimilation. Repetition and redundancy, for example. Progressive practice, etc. And above all, the clarity of the teacher in his explanations and examples during the class! Or the way he makes his lecture exciting, and makes the students want to know more. (another point on which the drama fails splendidly)
The famous spoon !!! They're all passing it back and forth without even cleaning it ! I guess Stanley Kubrick is a guy who gives me the little spoon too ? When an author is talented, he makes people love his work, even when he doesn't use this famous spoon that much. And even authors who use the spoon a bit more, like Christopher Nolan, have surprises in store for them to thinking.
I didn't answer because I have to leave this topic at some point, and I've already learned everything there is to learn from TKEM about the mistakes not to make in a script. Basically anything that prevents the viewer from being immersed, diminishes emotion, obscures clarity, artificially complicates, hides information without justification related to the plot or a real mind-blowing effect, or nullifies belief in the fantastic principle of the story for lack of evidence. And many other things about all the precise processes leading to this kind of fiasco, too many characters, their lack of usefulness, the excessive splitting of scenes and storyline, the failed elipses, the wrong indication of the context, and so on. I already knew this intuitively, but it's still spectacular to have an example in front of you, to be able to analyze it, and to feel how it acts negatively on yourself as a spectator.
Rather than see such a drama, I would much rather read complicated scientific articles about quantum physics, the real thing, not the one single sentence line about it used in the drama.
I copy-past here a spoiler from my review (but I told it before on another blog). It's about what you say of the drama : "It's like going to a math class without sleeping, with a teacher who can't explain things properly, when you already have gaps in the basics."
LR was shot in the leg in episode 15. I'm sure TE would know how to take advantage of that wound. Also, TE took…
Please have mercy on me! I've got to move on, this drama's already crumbling in my memory. And since the narration was already done in such a way that nothing can be remembered, it's even worse. It makes me nauseous, and I'm at the point where only a daily makjang can be a shock treatment. I will have the pleasure of seeing lots of plot-hole in a story that is properly told. If I could save myself, I would come back before I saw TKEM. Actually, no, I would come back at the age of 10 since nothing prevents me from doing so, and the yo-yo kid said so, although for someone who gives vague advice (but maybe wise, well, go figure), he's not very talkative. All the storytelling problems I've analyzed and related, especially regarding the script and the way to tell the story, you'll also find them on the incredibly high number of negative reviews on mydramalist. I can't tell you anything more, you've already read everything the times we were on this comment thread, or maybe on other blogs. Anyway, you chose to love this drama no matter what. So you're not concerned about anything. But at least it will help you to understand why this drama can't reach the audience, and because of what huge flaws in the writing, felt or identified by everyone. I have to leave this thread now, please let me go. T T
It's very irregular. On the one hand the 3 main actresses are very talented, and some important scenes are well…
Villains are good in Mysterious personal shopper, especially the psychologist! That woman is really horrible! :-D W is a drama which is even more pleasant when you re-watch it than the first time, but I won't get into the debate, it would be too long. If you liked it, don't hesitate to go on my blog to see season 2 ;-) http://w4worlds.eklablog.com
LR was shot in the leg in episode 15. I'm sure TE would know how to take advantage of that wound. Also, TE took…
Star wars is not good science fiction, but at least the rules of the world are laid down and obvious, and the viewer can rest on that. One accepts without any problem the fact that all this is a western set in the future, sometimes unscientific, but the universe is true to itself and constant in its logic. So, there is no use to do what you call "nitpicking" but isn't. That's the whole problem with TKEM: the inability to do that.
And my remarks are not nitpicking! It's just the result of what happens when you try to rest on a solid foundation. So, before doing that, I had to first try to get there and understand the drama. It takes a lot of crazy efforts, which already makes it impossible to appreciate the story. And in the end everything is blurry and wobbly. If my remarks are nitpicking, you should realize that any action aimed at understanding this drama is nitpicking! Or you have to unplug the brain and look at pretty pictures. Vaguely symbolic stuff whose function was to enrich meaning or emotion, but which end up being only a superficial illustration. I don't reproach this creative aspect which could have been fascinating, I reproach the fact that it is based on nothing, and loses any effect or impact.
The rule of time travel has been established with a logic that we must already spot but which finally makes sense: the flute is no longer whole and to travel in time you need a whole flute. This is always possible with two pieces of flute with a restriction. So, if Tae Eul gets stuck in the in-between world instead of time traveling, Lee Gon can't logically travel in time either. But fortunately, the screenwriter keeps it all very fuzzy from the beginning. And anyway, there's no real explanation, and it's all rushed at lightning speed. Neither seen nor known. Your answer is exactly what I expected. Yoyo Kid can say or do almost anything. Usefulness of the scenario? It's just the screenwriter's avatar in God mode. Pathetic. A permanent deus ex-machina. But even her words are nebulous and too brief to sit the mechanics. Lee Gon could've saved himself just as well by coming back a week before the palace attack! And I remind you that he's not supposed to be able to go back in time before the flute is cut in half. That's the problem with restricting the power of the flute. Again, plot-hole!
It's very irregular. On the one hand the 3 main actresses are very talented, and some important scenes are well filmed, and there are always good cliffhangers. On the other hand there are also scenes filmed in the studio like a daily show, with boring characters. With so many episodes, it looks like there is a need to furnish with that so as not to overload the main actors, because the shooting rhythm is certainly intense. I watched because Park Ha Na is one of my favorite actresses, and she mostly shoots dailies.
Lee Gon opens the gate, then he throws the flute in!!! The portal close forever. Next scene, multigate dimension. The flute is on the beach, in the middle of the pillars of light. A big rough purple hand grabs the flute ! Someone is there, a dark threat, in this dimension... It's THANOS! He's examining the flute. Then he breaks it in his hand! THANOS - Pfff, no use, crap... Then he throws away the broken pieces, which disintegrate by themselves.
I absolutely love reading your analyses and criticisms about the drama. Very well-written and eloquent. Hell I…
Indirectly, all the suffering we have endured together has allowed us to see this drama through to the end, when it should have been dropped a long time ago. The opposite effect of what should have been has taken place.
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But no matter what, if there is no plot-hole, at least there is a real hole in the narrative.
If any viewer can't understand this, it's because there is no sufficient indication, apart from a dialogue and no explanation of the process of time travel. And I suppose you must have experienced the rest of the drama in confusion, or rather, an additional confusion accumulated to all the previous ones. This drama is just painful and doesn't bring any pleasure, immersion or emotion, because of all the cases like this.
What's the point?
Drama fans will just say it's up to the student to piece together the missing equation. Everyone will come up with a different and wrong result, and the teacher will never give the answer. One day, some crazy prophet, pretty expert at conning celebrities, will come along and say...
The solution was simple and beautiful:
0 = 1.
Easy, and valid for any random math problem !
In the meantime, everyone will have gotten a zero on the exam and will be disgusted with math forever. Disgusted with the teacher, and the writer, too.
And what about the fans who are still besieging this topic?
I should leave, really, but it wasn't polite to stop by without saying hello ;-)
Episode 1 : 20%
Episode 2 : 60%
Episode 3 : 85%
Episode 4 : 99%
We're never done laughing here. ^^
No hindsight or feedback compared to other works.
Well, that's also one of the things that's done wrong, the inability to produce that effect! The whole system of clues is messed up, no focus at the right time, all upside down. The spectator never gets the benefit of his discoveries nor have proof afterward. The great authors of cinema are talented enough to make the truth arrive in the spectator's mind like a flash of light! This is difficult to do, and often, for it to work, it is limited to a reasonable number of occurrences.
Apart from that you're wrong, well, to say that, we should already know what this famous spoon means. But there are other ways of cognitive assimilation. Repetition and redundancy, for example. Progressive practice, etc. And above all, the clarity of the teacher in his explanations and examples during the class! Or the way he makes his lecture exciting, and makes the students want to know more. (another point on which the drama fails splendidly)
I didn't answer because I have to leave this topic at some point, and I've already learned everything there is to learn from TKEM about the mistakes not to make in a script. Basically anything that prevents the viewer from being immersed, diminishes emotion, obscures clarity, artificially complicates, hides information without justification related to the plot or a real mind-blowing effect, or nullifies belief in the fantastic principle of the story for lack of evidence. And many other things about all the precise processes leading to this kind of fiasco, too many characters, their lack of usefulness, the excessive splitting of scenes and storyline, the failed elipses, the wrong indication of the context, and so on. I already knew this intuitively, but it's still spectacular to have an example in front of you, to be able to analyze it, and to feel how it acts negatively on yourself as a spectator.
Rather than see such a drama, I would much rather read complicated scientific articles about quantum physics, the real thing, not the one single sentence line about it used in the drama.
"It's like going to a math class without sleeping, with a teacher who can't explain things properly, when you already have gaps in the basics."
If I could save myself, I would come back before I saw TKEM. Actually, no, I would come back at the age of 10 since nothing prevents me from doing so, and the yo-yo kid said so, although for someone who gives vague advice (but maybe wise, well, go figure), he's not very talkative.
All the storytelling problems I've analyzed and related, especially regarding the script and the way to tell the story, you'll also find them on the incredibly high number of negative reviews on mydramalist. I can't tell you anything more, you've already read everything the times we were on this comment thread, or maybe on other blogs.
Anyway, you chose to love this drama no matter what. So you're not concerned about anything. But at least it will help you to understand why this drama can't reach the audience, and because of what huge flaws in the writing, felt or identified by everyone.
I have to leave this thread now, please let me go. T T
W is a drama which is even more pleasant when you re-watch it than the first time, but I won't get into the debate, it would be too long. If you liked it, don't hesitate to go on my blog to see season 2 ;-)
http://w4worlds.eklablog.com
That's the whole problem with TKEM: the inability to do that.
And my remarks are not nitpicking! It's just the result of what happens when you try to rest on a solid foundation. So, before doing that, I had to first try to get there and understand the drama. It takes a lot of crazy efforts, which already makes it impossible to appreciate the story. And in the end everything is blurry and wobbly. If my remarks are nitpicking, you should realize that any action aimed at understanding this drama is nitpicking!
Or you have to unplug the brain and look at pretty pictures. Vaguely symbolic stuff whose function was to enrich meaning or emotion, but which end up being only a superficial illustration. I don't reproach this creative aspect which could have been fascinating, I reproach the fact that it is based on nothing, and loses any effect or impact.
The rule of time travel has been established with a logic that we must already spot but which finally makes sense: the flute is no longer whole and to travel in time you need a whole flute. This is always possible with two pieces of flute with a restriction.
So, if Tae Eul gets stuck in the in-between world instead of time traveling, Lee Gon can't logically travel in time either. But fortunately, the screenwriter keeps it all very fuzzy from the beginning. And anyway, there's no real explanation, and it's all rushed at lightning speed. Neither seen nor known.
Your answer is exactly what I expected. Yoyo Kid can say or do almost anything. Usefulness of the scenario? It's just the screenwriter's avatar in God mode. Pathetic. A permanent deus ex-machina. But even her words are nebulous and too brief to sit the mechanics. Lee Gon could've saved himself just as well by coming back a week before the palace attack! And I remind you that he's not supposed to be able to go back in time before the flute is cut in half. That's the problem with restricting the power of the flute. Again, plot-hole!
I watched because Park Ha Na is one of my favorite actresses, and she mostly shoots dailies.
Lee Gon opens the gate, then he throws the flute in!!!
The portal close forever.
Next scene, multigate dimension.
The flute is on the beach, in the middle of the pillars of light.
A big rough purple hand grabs the flute !
Someone is there, a dark threat, in this dimension...
It's THANOS!
He's examining the flute.
Then he breaks it in his hand!
THANOS - Pfff, no use, crap...
Then he throws away the broken pieces, which disintegrate by themselves.
The opposite effect of what should have been has taken place.