It's obviously in the Kingdom side. The prince visited it and Lim visited everytime that he crossed over to the…
Ah! See? You too got caught in the confusion !!! No, Shin Jay's mom lives in ROK's world. Remember, she even cheated at an underground casino, and Shin Jay goes with her to bring back the money. So many minor characters that we lose memory of what's going on.
I knew as soon as I wrote my commentary that it was inaccurate. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I often tend to troll a bit, and try to grab attention rather than be accurate. Thank you for answering, even though it took me some time to gather the information I have, among others, on my analysis file.
You're right: the scenario has no plot-hole, at least none that I've been able to detect so far. It's brilliant.
If the lack of information about the library's location is intentional, I think it's a big mistake. It seems like a good idea, but only in a context where everything else is clear in the way it is displayed. If I had been the director/editor, I would have just put in subtitles every time the action takes place in one world or another, and say "republic of Korea", or "kingdom of Korea". It sounds rudimentary and unattractive, but it's effective. You can see this kind of trick in many movies.
Creating a mystery is different from creating unnecessary confusion. I've seen this problem in so many movies or series. Even works that I admire and love deeply. Like the movie "Primer".
This drama made me realize how valuable the viewer's understanding is. How can you lose that understanding. How can it be gained, by what means.
This drama is all about details and information they show and tell but I find mistakes in every episode . In an…
I agree. The drama is very good in terms of logic and consistency. It's a pity that the information is so poorly delivered and that it doesn't serve to make the drama exciting. Too much confusion in the way of telling the story, too many fragmented, long and useless situations. Episode 8 could easily have been Episode 6, by rearranging the boring side plot.
In the last 24 hours you wrote 5+ circlejerk comments bashing the plot with slurs and 1 comment spoiling everything…
People are often boring. At the beginning of the drama, the fans were crying because WDH had a dull role. It seemed obvious to me that he would not be a silent guard for long. Another actor would have been chosen for sure, if that's all it was about. But now that there are good comedy scenes with this actor, the fans spend their time saying that he steals the scenes. There is never a middle ground with the fans. He's a good actor, but I don't see how he would steal a scene from Lee Min Ho, for example. The comedy comes from the difference in personality between the two characters, and their special relationship.
The previous speaker was wrong about me, I've never stopped anyone from watching this drama. Someone once asked in the comments if this drama was worth watching. I said YES, it deserves to be seen. But that it wasn't without pain... Anyway, my comment was just trolling... I'm still surprised to have so many likes. Like that, a lot of spectators don't like both actors.
It's obviously in the Kingdom side. The prince visited it and Lim visited everytime that he crossed over to the…
I misspoke. I exaggerated to draw attention to a fact that has certainly been painful for many for a long time. Here's the (not so) long explanation:
Of course, now we have evidence that there is at least one version of the bookstore in the world of QOK. But is it certain that this bookstore doesn't also exist in the world of ROK? And when was ROK's version used? I remind you that the yo-yo-boy has been seen in both worlds, after. Even worse, he was first seen at the bookstore, without any indication of location. Then, the first time we are sure of the yoyo-boy's location is this scene in ROK, which I rearranged to study how we could better notice it, because it was lost among many scenes with the same atmosphere, but not very important : https://vimeo.com/418796093
- Note that with all the male child actors seen here and there, or on photos, we must already remember that it was the yo-yo boy seen episode 3, at night and quickly. Is it possible the first time we see the drama? - After how long do we know where the bookstore is? Just go back to the first episodes. No indication of location. Better yet, we see Sin-Jay's mother going to the bookstore. So we assume she is in ROK's world to begin with. - Episode 3, 42:00. We don't even know that she's his mother, and then the character is forgotten, she only appears for two seconds. - Episode 3, 51:00, mean uncle goes to the bookstore, right after the timestop. Do we know for sure where he was before?No. We assume he's in ROK's world before. But that doesn't make sense. At this point in the story, the viewer has little clue as to the source of the timestop and how it works. Perhaps, we can deduce that time stops when a character arrives in the world, from the portal, if this is consistent with the first timestop. Except that in episode 3, it would be the opposite, evil oncle leave the world, if the library was in the world of QOK.
I could go on like this for many more paragraphs. For a simple detail like this library, it spoils the understanding of the drama. So we spend a lot of time guessing that this library is at least in the world of QOK. I don't remember the scene that proves 100% that there is at least one version of the library in QOK. And it's possible that when this scene takes place, it's forgotten or unstable. During all this time before, it goes without saying that it's just one detail among many that annoys and confuses the situation.
When this is accumulated with so many other nebulous points, characters that look alike, quickly seen and forgotten, useless scenes, abusive cutting up of isolated situations, lack of storyline for these facts, lazy rhythm, lack of objectives, it is obvious that the audience that watches the drama on TV gives up, and the ratings are at their lowest.
I have a list of all the other confusing details of the drama, with the timecode per episode, and why this creates confusion instead creating mystery, even when we review the drama and understand the scene. It happens in some cases, that even reviewing the scene is not enough, when you already know the future context.
Production companies always try to use consensus formulas for the general public.In reality, if you say the director…
I was just trolling. My opinion is that there are a lot of problems with the drama editing. I keep seeing this kind of thing over and over again as I rewatch the episodes. So it's normal that the director wants to work on this.
In the last 24 hours you wrote 5+ circlejerk comments bashing the plot with slurs and 1 comment spoiling everything…
I'm disappointed because I thought my comment would attract fans of both actors, like fish you catch when you're fishing. But only you answered, and you don't even sound like a fangirl of actors. I've lost a good opportunity to have fun... Actually, I have nothing against these two actors, they're okay. But it's funny to see all the LMH fan girls become such extreme fangirls for WDH. :-)
feel bad for the director who developed the grand vision for the drama but was told to do the editing works instead…
Production companies always try to use consensus formulas for the general public. In reality, if you say the director is going to do the editing, it's like saying he's fired, and now he's cleaning toilets. :-DDDDD
Actors have little impact on the huge mess that is this drama. They're the last ones to be responsible for this fiasco. If you played the lead yourself, it wouldn't make much difference. ^^
Rewatch episode 4, it's obvious. Except last good scenes, no one want to see a Tv show so messy.
You ask a lot of questions that I don't have the answers to either!!! Like you, I'm distraught. There are so many elements in this drama that I should have liked. On some scenes, the KES dialogues are magical. I'm not done being surprised yet, and for the moment, I anticipate something really bad: the horrible mess of scenes and secondary characters will finally be completely useless. Not only if it had been useful, it would have been bad, but useless, even worse. The Save-Me drama had a similar (albeit much less serious) problem with secondary storylines having no importance to the main plot.
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No, Shin Jay's mom lives in ROK's world.
Remember, she even cheated at an underground casino, and Shin Jay goes with her to bring back the money. So many minor characters that we lose memory of what's going on.
I knew as soon as I wrote my commentary that it was inaccurate. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I often tend to troll a bit, and try to grab attention rather than be accurate.
Thank you for answering, even though it took me some time to gather the information I have, among others, on my analysis file.
You're right: the scenario has no plot-hole, at least none that I've been able to detect so far. It's brilliant.
If the lack of information about the library's location is intentional, I think it's a big mistake. It seems like a good idea, but only in a context where everything else is clear in the way it is displayed.
If I had been the director/editor, I would have just put in subtitles every time the action takes place in one world or another, and say "republic of Korea", or "kingdom of Korea". It sounds rudimentary and unattractive, but it's effective. You can see this kind of trick in many movies.
Creating a mystery is different from creating unnecessary confusion. I've seen this problem in so many movies or series. Even works that I admire and love deeply. Like the movie "Primer".
This drama made me realize how valuable the viewer's understanding is.
How can you lose that understanding.
How can it be gained, by what means.
It's a pity that the information is so poorly delivered and that it doesn't serve to make the drama exciting.
Too much confusion in the way of telling the story, too many fragmented, long and useless situations.
Episode 8 could easily have been Episode 6, by rearranging the boring side plot.
But now that there are good comedy scenes with this actor, the fans spend their time saying that he steals the scenes. There is never a middle ground with the fans. He's a good actor, but I don't see how he would steal a scene from Lee Min Ho, for example. The comedy comes from the difference in personality between the two characters, and their special relationship.
The previous speaker was wrong about me, I've never stopped anyone from watching this drama. Someone once asked in the comments if this drama was worth watching. I said YES, it deserves to be seen. But that it wasn't without pain...
Anyway, my comment was just trolling... I'm still surprised to have so many likes. Like that, a lot of spectators don't like both actors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqSuHy8G-o
Here's the (not so) long explanation:
Of course, now we have evidence that there is at least one version of the bookstore in the world of QOK. But is it certain that this bookstore doesn't also exist in the world of ROK? And when was ROK's version used? I remind you that the yo-yo-boy has been seen in both worlds, after. Even worse, he was first seen at the bookstore, without any indication of location.
Then, the first time we are sure of the yoyo-boy's location is this scene in ROK, which I rearranged to study how we could better notice it, because it was lost among many scenes with the same atmosphere, but not very important :
https://vimeo.com/418796093
- Note that with all the male child actors seen here and there, or on photos, we must already remember that it was the yo-yo boy seen episode 3, at night and quickly. Is it possible the first time we see the drama?
- After how long do we know where the bookstore is? Just go back to the first episodes. No indication of location. Better yet, we see Sin-Jay's mother going to the bookstore. So we assume she is in ROK's world to begin with.
- Episode 3, 42:00. We don't even know that she's his mother, and then the character is forgotten, she only appears for two seconds.
- Episode 3, 51:00, mean uncle goes to the bookstore, right after the timestop. Do we know for sure where he was before?No. We assume he's in ROK's world before. But that doesn't make sense. At this point in the story, the viewer has little clue as to the source of the timestop and how it works. Perhaps, we can deduce that time stops when a character arrives in the world, from the portal, if this is consistent with the first timestop. Except that in episode 3, it would be the opposite, evil oncle leave the world, if the library was in the world of QOK.
I could go on like this for many more paragraphs. For a simple detail like this library, it spoils the understanding of the drama. So we spend a lot of time guessing that this library is at least in the world of QOK. I don't remember the scene that proves 100% that there is at least one version of the library in QOK. And it's possible that when this scene takes place, it's forgotten or unstable. During all this time before, it goes without saying that it's just one detail among many that annoys and confuses the situation.
When this is accumulated with so many other nebulous points, characters that look alike, quickly seen and forgotten, useless scenes, abusive cutting up of isolated situations, lack of storyline for these facts, lazy rhythm, lack of objectives, it is obvious that the audience that watches the drama on TV gives up, and the ratings are at their lowest.
I have a list of all the other confusing details of the drama, with the timecode per episode, and why this creates confusion instead creating mystery, even when we review the drama and understand the scene. It happens in some cases, that even reviewing the scene is not enough, when you already know the future context.
My opinion is that there are a lot of problems with the drama editing. I keep seeing this kind of thing over and over again as I rewatch the episodes.
So it's normal that the director wants to work on this.
But only you answered, and you don't even sound like a fangirl of actors.
I've lost a good opportunity to have fun...
Actually, I have nothing against these two actors, they're okay.
But it's funny to see all the LMH fan girls become such extreme fangirls for WDH.
:-)
I mean... if they produce it... ^^
I keep watching from my side, but I suffer regularly.
Wish me luck. ;-)
Open hole : 0
Finger on the hole : 1
^^
"Before you see this drama, read Alice in Wonderland". ;-)
Which in the end was worth it.
In reality, if you say the director is going to do the editing, it's like saying he's fired, and now he's cleaning toilets.
:-DDDDD
They're the last ones to be responsible for this fiasco.
If you played the lead yourself, it wouldn't make much difference. ^^
Like you, I'm distraught. There are so many elements in this drama that I should have liked. On some scenes, the KES dialogues are magical.
I'm not done being surprised yet, and for the moment, I anticipate something really bad: the horrible mess of scenes and secondary characters will finally be completely useless. Not only if it had been useful, it would have been bad, but useless, even worse. The Save-Me drama had a similar (albeit much less serious) problem with secondary storylines having no importance to the main plot.