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That was incredibly beautiful 😭😭😭 I cried all my tears at seeing them so happy and in love

It is cute in some ways, because they are in love, but it is also very very dark and it will get worse 👀 and I’m telling you because if ep 4 traumatized you what will come will definitely be difficult to watch for you.

Yeah and I honestly can’t wait 😂😏

Why is the father still breathing? Lu Feng i beg you, do something. That man can’t keep beating the shit out of you!!

This genuinely made me smile 🥹🩷

I am not twisting your words and you know that.
Your first sentence was: “It’s only good if you like rapist and romanticize SA”
Then you said: “I didn’t accuse anybody” (but it was an accusation) and then “If you feel accused you are the problem” (I can’t fell an accusations for something I don’t condone, so that’s was you trying to make an accusation on my morality without saying it out loud)
then you said “I’m heavily judging who likes to watch series that romanticize SA” (And I pointed out that you don’t know what people thinks. Maybe everyone here hates Lu Feng. Who knows? surely not you.)
I unfortunately understand very well, but you honey are trying between the lines to picture me as a monster with a despicable morality because I was just saying that you cannot accuse people so lightly? That’s very childish.
But feel free to come say to me in my face that I’m not clean and that I don’t have a good morality honey 🥰 let’s see if it’s diffamation or not.
Have a good night 😴

Oh darling, that’s the problem. You don’t know what people think. You don’t know if they find it weird or not.
But they surely don’t assume that everyone watching this series is a rape apologist.

How cute of you to try to gaslight people into thinking you never made moral judgments about real people 🤡

I didn’t reply because I “felt called out.” I replied because you threw heavy accusations at everyone enjoying this series by saying people only like it if they “like rapists” or “have a problem.”

You are completely free to dislike the plot, the writing or the way the story handles toxic themes. Nobody said you have to enjoy it.
But don’t pretend you didn’t said that people can only like it if they “like rapists” or they “romanticize SA”
That is absolutely an accusations whether you want to backtrack now or not.

It’s always easy to accuse strangers of “supporting rapists” when you’re hiding behind a screen. Try repeating something that serious in real life with the same confidence. Accusing real people of supporting crimes this serious is not edgy discourse, it’s reckless, defamatory behavior. Some of you have gotten way too comfortable throwing around accusations that would have actual consequences in real life.

No, I read exactly what you said. That’s the issue.

You repeatedly said that normalizing/forgiving toxic BL characters “plays a part” in homophobia developing, and THAT is the part I fundamentally disagree with. I’ve been consistent about that from the beginning.
I never even argued about the character itself, though.

But for some reasons, the conversation kept getting redirected into things I wasn’t even talking about, while you threw in comments about me “playing dumb” or not being able to read, which honestly just came off unnecessarily condescending.

So no, I didn’t misunderstand your argument. I just disagreed with it, and I don’t think twisting my point into something else to make me sound stupid was fair.

Anyway, I’m done with this conversation now. Take care.

Oh please 😭 the way you’re suddenly pretending that “fujoshi who gets opinions from the internet” was some neutral intellectual statement is actually laughable.

You were talking to a woman and the SECOND your point got challenged, out came the condescending fandom stereotype to belittle the person you were arguing with. That was absolutely intentional, so don’t play dumb now.

Also let’s stop pretending your argument was “just criticizing the character” when you literally said dark BL contributes to homophobia existing. THAT is the part people are disagreeing with because it’s a ridiculous take.

I know that I should stop but I cannot accept that they are here insulting us just because we UNDERSTAND how a dark series works.

Probably when Lu Feng kindnaps Yi Chen is gonna be impossible to comment the episode without being attacked by the morality police 🙄🙄🙄🙄

1. First of all, the “fujoshi who forms her opinions on Instagram” line you can shove right back where it came from. Those misogynistic little digs are pathetic, embarrassing and incredibly telling.

2. The funniest part is that you spent this entire discussion trying to sound intellectually superior, only to completely fall apart and start throwing personal insults the second people disagreed with your ridiculous take. So much for being “above fandom culture,” I guess.

You preach about homophobia while casually talking down to women the moment they don’t validate you. Pick a struggle.

3. Anyway, from this point on you can keep debating with yourself because the moment someone starts using personal attacks to feel morally superior instead of defending their argument like an adult, the discussion becomes worthless to me.

But do you realize how unfair that logic is toward queer media specifically?

Straight media has portrayed abusive husbands, obsessive boyfriends, rape, manipulation, violence and toxic relationships for literal centuries, and nobody goes around saying “this is why heterosexuality is hated.” People understand those are flawed individuals, not representatives of every straight person alive.

Yet the second a queer story is dark, suddenly it has to carry the burden of representing an entire community “correctly” or it’s accused of fueling homophobia. That standard alone is rooted in prejudice.

And respectfully, homophobia was not born because fictional toxic gay men existed. Homophobes don’t need dark fiction to justify their beliefs — they will weaponize literally anything. Holding queer stories to impossible moral purity standards won’t change that.

A dark character in a dark story is not a political statement about same-sex love as a whole. It’s just… a dark character in a dark story.

The way some of you enter DARK series expecting morality lessons needs to be studied honestly. Most people informed themselves before watching and knew EXACTLY what kind of story this was. Nobody pressed play thinking they were getting a healthy relationship PSA.

And who exactly told you everyone likes Lu Feng? Some people do, some don’t. Some feel the need to criticize every action, others simply engage with the story for what it is. That’s how fiction works. What’s weird is this constant moral grandstanding over fictional content as if people discussing a toxic character without writing a disclaimer every 5 seconds means they support abuse in real life.

This is a dark series. Morality was never the point. The point is the characters, the obsession, the damage, the dynamics, the tragedy. People are talking about the narrative, not applying to become Lu Feng’s defense attorneys.

Also after everybody criticizes him… what exactly happens? Does Lu Feng magically stop being abusive? Does the plot rewrite itself? Or do you just want people to publicly condemn him so you can feel morally superior to strangers over fictional media?

You not liking the character is fine. Acting alarmed because other people can separate fiction from reality is another thing entirely.

nope, what is it?

He’s a liar who lies and I absolutely agree with you. He’s on my black list since he asked to Yi Chen if he was “cured” after the break up.

After To My Shore I literally promised myself I would stop arguing with the morality police in comment sections 😭 but then I came here and saw people throwing around genuinely heavy accusations and I just couldn’t stay quiet.

I just want to be able to watch an interesting story without constantly having to explain every 2 minutes how dark fiction works and how enjoying/exploring a toxic narrative does not suddenly reflect someone’s real-life morals.

And honestly I completely agree with you that people who are not used to this genre probably just shouldn’t consume it instead of forcing themselves through it and then attacking everyone else enjoying it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring softer or healthier stories, but not every narrative is trying to be that.

MDL discussions are supposed to be about discussing the actual series, the characters and the writing, yet every time a darker story appears the entire conversation turns into defending yourself from ridiculous and offensive accusations that have barely anything to do with the show itself 🙄

Also same, I’ve seen enough green shows and now I just want to explore the darkest part of the human mind. I don’t ask much 😭😭😭

THANK YOU 😭 finally someone with actual media literacy in these comments!!

Like… why are people watching a DARK toxic romance and then getting angry that it’s dark and toxic 😭 especially after the trailers/source material already made the tone extremely obvious from the start.

And exactly!!! Explaining why these dynamics exist or enjoying the story does NOT mean anyone condones abuse in real life. I’m so tired of the constant moral policing every single time a darker BL gets adapted.
Also the comparison to thrillers/serial killer media is so real because nobody accuses horror fans of secretly supporting murder, yet dark romance fans constantly have to defend themselves for understanding fiction 😭

Do you actually understand what homophobia is and where it comes from? Homophobia does not exist because queer fiction explores toxic dynamics. Homophobia existed long before BL, danmei or dark romance and has historically been rooted in prejudice, dehumanization, religious and social stigma, and the idea that queer people are inherently immoral or “abnormal.”

So saying that problematic queer fiction is “a reason for homophobia” is a really dangerous argument because it indirectly shifts responsibility onto queer media and queer audiences instead of onto the homophobes themselves. It basically turns into: “well, people become homophobic because queer stories are too toxic,” which is the exact kind of rhetoric homophobes have used for decades to demonize queer people and queer relationships.

Toxic and abusive dynamics exist in fiction across every genre and every sexuality. Yet somehow queer stories are constantly expected to morally represent an entire community in a way straight fiction almost never is.

You can criticize the scene. You can hate the direction of the story. You can think Lu Feng is unforgivable. But implying that dark queer fiction itself fuels homophobia just because you personally dislike this narrative direction is not it.