fuck you she died on his birthday and her last painiting was them together that she draw. she is never coming…
It's valid. The people supporting him belong to three groups: Middle-aged women who blindly support actors, teenagers who cannot distinguish and blame KSR, and straight men.
It may sound surprising, but this has happened time and time again. The internalized misogyny is huge within the asian entertainment space, which is always crazy to me, since the majority of these consumers of dramas are, in fact, women.
They would rather take the side of a man who has openly stated he wanted to date a 20-year-old when he's 40 (which is so specific it's weird. If he just wanted to date someone, he should date someone of any adult age, not just 20 years old), he dated someone when they had just turned in an adult (19 at the time), had sent letter to the said someone when she was 17 and he was 33 from the military stating that he 'misses her.'
Then the man's agency gives her an enormous debt during her case, which further breaks her. Then she dies on his birthday.
If these things don't speak for his character, and you outright deny his involvement in her death, then you're supporting the wrong man, and I'm talking to a wall.
And the common pattern of straight men supporting problematic men. This exists outside of dramas as well. It happens all the time.
Besides, I wasn't talking to you in the first place, so stop responding to me. I don't want to talk to people who are supporting that man š„±š„±
If you're going to claim he's a "cheater," at least have the balls to present your evidence.What you've…
Here we go again.
You're part of that group, so that must have been a jab. Apologies if that hurt.
Oh, and don't tell me what I should and shouldn't say. I'm not listening anyway š„±š„±
Besides, we're on topic. You keep repeating "not relevant" as if that's some magic phrase that erases a public figure's history. It doesn't. When someone has been involved in controversies, people are going to mention them, regardless of the context. That's normal.
Yes, in 2015 when he was 23 yo he had a separate relationship while his live-in relationship w/his girlfriend…
Lol, you've gone into full-on condescension mode.
You asked whether I apply the same standards to people in my personal life, and I already answered that I do, so Iām not sure why weāre still arguing that point.
I also never said Iām āall up in armsā over a stranger. Not supporting someone and not caring to move on are not the same thing as obsessing over them.
And respectfully, disagreeing with you doesnāt mean Iām young, inexperienced, or lacking depth. It just means we view accountability differently.
Anyway, I think weāve both explained our perspectives enough. Have a good day.
Yes, in 2015 when he was 23 yo he had a separate relationship while his live-in relationship w/his girlfriend…
Thatās a lot of assumptions about a stranger over a comment.
Not supporting someone because of cheating doesnāt mean I think every man cheats, and it doesnāt mean I hold grudges against random men in my life. Iām not sure why you keep trying to turn this into that.
Also, I never said cheating causes lifelong trauma or that itās comparable to violent crimes. You brought that comparison in yourself.
My point was simple: people are allowed to decide what matters to them when choosing who they support. If you moved on, thatās fine. I havenāt, and thatās also fine.
You seem more interested in inventing things and psychoanalyzing my personal life than responding to what I actually said.
Also, the comment āif you interact with men daily, thatās a double standardā genuinely makes no sense.
Existing around people ā actively supporting or admiring them. Those are different things.
fuck you she died on his birthday and her last painiting was them together that she draw. she is never coming…
On what basis are you calling him innocent? Cause he didn't kill her directly?
You do realize he and his agency had a part to play in her death, right? They gave her an enormous debt during her DUI case, and she begged them to give her some time to pay back, but was left ignored. She then tried other methods to contact him and gain attention, but he avoided her and even denied dating her outright (before this issue happened), while people were hating on her for posting a photo of them together.
The fact that she chose to die on his birthday tells you that he had caused her so much damage and emotional hurt that she wanted to leave a final mark. There's no other reason why she would take her life on that day, of all things. This is common sense.
He didn't admit to it - that's something the parents said. What's gross and disgusting is that, instead of rechecking…
Are you seriously lacking reading comprehension? š
You're still misrepresenting what I said.
My comment about a hypothetical 14-year-old being legally classified as an adult was not an accusation that age-gap couples are paedophiles. It was a challenge to the idea that legality alone determines whether concerns about age differences are reasonable.
My point has been consistent throughout: when one person is very young, significant differences in life experience, independence, and maturity can be relevant factors worth discussing. That is not the same as claiming every age-gap relationship is exploitative, and it is not the same as comparing all age-gap relationships to paedophilia.
You also keep saying I'm not answering your criticisms, but I've repeatedly clarified that age is one factor among many, and that my concern is specifically about very young adults in large age-gap relationships. Instead of addressing that position, you've repeatedly argued against broader claims I never made.
As for "right back at ya," it was a response to your dismissive "tch tch" comment. There's no mystery there.
If you want to continue the discussion, please respond to the argument I'm actually making rather than one you've attributed to me.
Yes, in 2015 when he was 23 yo he had a separate relationship while his live-in relationship w/his girlfriend…
Yes, I do. What kind of question is that?
You donāt know me or how I treat people in my everyday life, so Iām not sure why you assumed I only apply those standards to actors. That was a strange thing to say.
And yes, Iām fully aware that men cheating isnāt exclusive to this industry. I never said it was.
My point was simply that I personally donāt move on from things like that easily, whether itās an actor or anyone else.
He didn't admit to it - that's something the parents said. What's gross and disgusting is that, instead of rechecking…
As if your "Tch tch" wasn't immature and illogical. Speak for yourself, lmao. I did explain myself, though. I responded right after, so I'm not sure what you're on.
Acting as if you weren't the one who started with the "Tch Tch" before you started your "fair debate"š
He didn't admit to it - that's something the parents said. What's gross and disgusting is that, instead of rechecking…
No, I'm saying age is one factor that can matter and not the only factor that matters. The fact that some 19-year-olds are mature doesn't mean maturity differences cease to be a concern on average, just as the fact that some older people have poor judgment doesn't mean experience is irrelevant.
We use age as a proxy for life experience in countless areas because it often correlates with differences in power, independence, and decision-making.
And pointing out that a 19-year-old may be more vulnerable in a relationship with someone much older is not the same as condemning every age-gap relationship. Nor is it defamation to express concern about a type of relationship without making false factual claims about specific individuals.
You're treating scrutiny as condemnation and criticism as persecution, and those are not the same thing.
Again, you're overstating by bringing in different arguments that aren't correlated and missing the point entirely.
fuck you she died on his birthday and her last painiting was them together that she draw. she is never coming…
There's a dead woman who passed away on his birthday. And here you are, supporting that man. It's shameful and disappointing that you're taking his side, but nothing less do I expect of his supporters.
It may sound surprising, but this has happened time and time again. The internalized misogyny is huge within the asian entertainment space, which is always crazy to me, since the majority of these consumers of dramas are, in fact, women.
They would rather take the side of a man who has openly stated he wanted to date a 20-year-old when he's 40 (which is so specific it's weird. If he just wanted to date someone, he should date someone of any adult age, not just 20 years old), he dated someone when they had just turned in an adult (19 at the time), had sent letter to the said someone when she was 17 and he was 33 from the military stating that he 'misses her.'
Then the man's agency gives her an enormous debt during her case, which further breaks her. Then she dies on his birthday.
If these things don't speak for his character, and you outright deny his involvement in her death, then you're supporting the wrong man, and I'm talking to a wall.
And the common pattern of straight men supporting problematic men. This exists outside of dramas as well. It happens all the time.
Besides, I wasn't talking to you in the first place, so stop responding to me. I don't want to talk to people who are supporting that man š„±š„±
Judging by your way of writing, you must be the MyWay. This must be your second account?
I'm not falling for it, so goodbye.
You're part of that group, so that must have been a jab. Apologies if that hurt.
Oh, and don't tell me what I should and shouldn't say. I'm not listening anyway š„±š„±
Besides, we're on topic. You keep repeating "not relevant" as if that's some magic phrase that erases a public figure's history. It doesn't. When someone has been involved in controversies, people are going to mention them, regardless of the context. That's normal.
You asked whether I apply the same standards to people in my personal life, and I already answered that I do, so Iām not sure why weāre still arguing that point.
I also never said Iām āall up in armsā over a stranger. Not supporting someone and not caring to move on are not the same thing as obsessing over them.
And respectfully, disagreeing with you doesnāt mean Iām young, inexperienced, or lacking depth. It just means we view accountability differently.
Anyway, I think weāve both explained our perspectives enough. Have a good day.
Not supporting someone because of cheating doesnāt mean I think every man cheats, and it doesnāt mean I hold grudges against random men in my life. Iām not sure why you keep trying to turn this into that.
Also, I never said cheating causes lifelong trauma or that itās comparable to violent crimes. You brought that comparison in yourself.
My point was simple: people are allowed to decide what matters to them when choosing who they support. If you moved on, thatās fine. I havenāt, and thatās also fine.
You seem more interested in inventing things and psychoanalyzing my personal life than responding to what I actually said.
Also, the comment āif you interact with men daily, thatās a double standardā genuinely makes no sense.
Existing around people ā actively supporting or admiring them. Those are different things.
You do realize he and his agency had a part to play in her death, right? They gave her an enormous debt during her DUI case, and she begged them to give her some time to pay back, but was left ignored. She then tried other methods to contact him and gain attention, but he avoided her and even denied dating her outright (before this issue happened), while people were hating on her for posting a photo of them together.
The fact that she chose to die on his birthday tells you that he had caused her so much damage and emotional hurt that she wanted to leave a final mark. There's no other reason why she would take her life on that day, of all things. This is common sense.
Calling him innocent is crazy work.
You're still misrepresenting what I said.
My comment about a hypothetical 14-year-old being legally classified as an adult was not an accusation that age-gap couples are paedophiles. It was a challenge to the idea that legality alone determines whether concerns about age differences are reasonable.
My point has been consistent throughout: when one person is very young, significant differences in life experience, independence, and maturity can be relevant factors worth discussing. That is not the same as claiming every age-gap relationship is exploitative, and it is not the same as comparing all age-gap relationships to paedophilia.
You also keep saying I'm not answering your criticisms, but I've repeatedly clarified that age is one factor among many, and that my concern is specifically about very young adults in large age-gap relationships. Instead of addressing that position, you've repeatedly argued against broader claims I never made.
As for "right back at ya," it was a response to your dismissive "tch tch" comment. There's no mystery there.
If you want to continue the discussion, please respond to the argument I'm actually making rather than one you've attributed to me.
You donāt know me or how I treat people in my everyday life, so Iām not sure why you assumed I only apply those standards to actors. That was a strange thing to say.
And yes, Iām fully aware that men cheating isnāt exclusive to this industry. I never said it was.
My point was simply that I personally donāt move on from things like that easily, whether itās an actor or anyone else.
Acting as if you weren't the one who started with the "Tch Tch" before you started your "fair debate"š
We use age as a proxy for life experience in countless areas because it often correlates with differences in power, independence, and decision-making.
And pointing out that a 19-year-old may be more vulnerable in a relationship with someone much older is not the same as condemning every age-gap relationship. Nor is it defamation to express concern about a type of relationship without making false factual claims about specific individuals.
You're treating scrutiny as condemnation and criticism as persecution, and those are not the same thing.
Again, you're overstating by bringing in different arguments that aren't correlated and missing the point entirely.