This series is pure aesthetic nothing more - Too many commercials (not integrated well in plot) that just distracted you. - Puen and Taley are boring characters who traveled into another universe just to live their boring lives. While Sea and Jimmy are not seasoned enough actors to create characters that viewers could care about. Add to this their mediocre chemistry. - Plot is spread so thin that having 9 -10 ep. would be much matter - because 12 is overkill I was bored. - Using Nanon and Ohm for hype.
Finished and never going back to rewatch it's just not worth it - but might finish reading novel.
Ok, I liked it much more than I anticipated. Script is storytelling is really good so far. Ep. 1 might seems a bit confusing since we are instructed so many characters in a short period of time but after you get them down you can clearly see where the plot is going and enjoy it. As for now I see 3 main (BL) couples and one straight that have more narrative role. Fahlanruk sticks up pretty much from the typical BL love mold - so some people will definitely don't like it. We don't have typical shy saint - like virginal uke but Sher who don't mind one-night stands with strangers. While Fahlanruk is also a player himself who likes sleeping around. They both don't share typical BL sex=Love, or sex can only happen after being in a relationship philosophy which will be probably shocking to some watchers. They also both have their own relationships and friends - Fahlanruk with Tle - they obviously sleep with each other but are not officially dating. - Sher with Prince - they are obviously just friends but let people think there might be a couple for some reason.
So we have: - Sher and Fahlanruk who start from one-time stand and evolve into friends with benefit. - Ping and Tap (Fahlanruk friends) who are good friends, but one side harbors one-sided love toward the other. - Prince and Gear who obviously have feelings for each other and flirt all the time while not yet trying to move toward the relationship.
In this way we have interesting drama about the relationship progress of 3 vastly different couples with different love philosophies and starting lines.
But when I like storyline - acting is just painful... I know they are newbies but+18 scenes are just stiff, you can just see actors are not into it. While Sher 6 o'clock shadow change shade with every scene.
No idea beyond official reason. I read many theories - but no one know for sure. I even saw some Thai fan mention that casting for next year Gmmtv dramsa already begin so they might pull out Mike because they want to cast him with someone else next year and promote it. But who know... there might be something we don't know about...
I think early next year, or sometime in the first six months. It seems like they hadn't started filming yet, only…
Not so sure - if they were already at the late workshop stage they might have already booked locations and staff, this means rather than rescheduling everything, losing money and going back to the workshop stage they will just go as planned as Gawin will have workshops in between.
Toptap left GMMTV?? Holy shit, GMMTV had an empire with some of the greatest actors/actress in the industry. Now…
Yup it all happened in 24h so people started to wonder if there is connection. If you check Toptap istagram you won't see GMMTV contact number anymore, just gmail email address...
Also, Mike just in mid July was twitting how much he was looking forward to this role...
Really suck for Kris just in 2 days he have opening of his big stage play and now everyone will ask about drama and not about his work...
Same they had this frat bro vibe going together that made me think - do you really expect me to believe they are…
No need to apologize i really get what you want to say i had the same thought process but in the end decided to sum it to just "shy" It also one of points why i think it will really work with Gawin, Gawin is more forward and easy going - considering plot Kris acting as confused time traveler who is not fully accepting butterfly effect while Gawin treat him as his long time lover. I can easily picture their dynamic.
Somehow I’m not surprised GMM changed it up. I personally couldn’t really see Mike and Krist working out as…
Same they had this frat bro vibe going together that made me think - do you really expect me to believe they are in love? ?
As for Gawin...
I think we are for a nice surprise. They have so vastly different vibe that just imagining them playing couple make my shy... Kris is more on shy side in BL he acted before while Gawin is I will kiss you till you drop type
So we will have Kris + Gawin series - good for Gawin, it was really time for the main role for him.
Just wonder if the rumor that the recasting of Mike and his ex ship Toptap leaving GMMTV are really connected as Twitter seems to think.
Edit: just come from reading Thai fans comments - it might be because I google translate them but most seem supportive of new ship while putting a shade on Mike? What Mike did that caused Thai fans be happy with his recast?
Cultural appropriation is tricky subject - so i won't comment on blackface anymore because i truly believe actors…
I have a feeling that it might be last season of SH - to much controversy to organize another season. But maybe they will want to cover this one... who know? As for F. and W. they are done i think - even if Gmmtv cast them for new year dramas - who care? According to some Thai fans I talked with, actors earn peanuts from acting gigs - if you are not very popular it difficult to live from it - 95%of their earning come from sponsorship and events attendance. Now who would want F and W to attend event or endorse products? They will probably become hot potatoes no one would want to touch.
This season should not exist. You know a show is truly awful when Blackface isn't the worst thing that happens.…
Cultural appropriation is tricky subject - so i won't comment on blackface anymore because i truly believe actors could have not idea about meaning behind it. It was GMMTV job as company and creators of games to prevent these things.
As for "joke" agree - knowing how important seniority is in Thai I can't image how they thought it would be okay to joke like this to junior. It almost like workplace bulling.... Would F. and W. dare to behave like this to Kris, New or Gun? I don't think so. They only dare to joke like this because it was their "junior". GMMTV response also didn't surprise me since they didn't want to make even bigger deal out of it - but somehow i have a feeling that if it was Earth and Mix in place of First and Khao and joke was directed at junior "mix" - Earth would not let it slide and this whole fiasco would end very differently. I think this whole situation is easily to forgive since they apologized but not easy to FORGET. For me at least.
I will just wait and see how many jobs W. and F. get for year 23.
To answer your question - probably not. As a person who was not raised in USA and in a country that have nothing…
Cultural appropriation and offenses differ from country to country.
Just few years ago Hollywood made a comedy movie about very bad historical event that took place in my country - people were pissed. But English speaking comment under movie trailer - Chill out you can't expect everyone to know, it's just a comedy / parody etc.
It made me really realize how much common knowledge differs depending on the country you are raised. Just because something is very big on English-speaking social media doesn't mean it is relevant or even talked about topic in other language media (I follow 3). I wouldn't even be able to properly translate it - because some words like racial slurs - don't even exist in my native language.
You talk about educating - but how much you know about big-no no of other countries like Chile, Germany, and Iran for example? You really can't expect bunch of 20yo raised in Thailand to be aware about these things - if you check Twitter - even most of Thai fans were confused about why international fans were not happy.
I totally agree. At this point I'm only sporadically watching for KhaoFirst.Let's hope the audience can choose…
Not so sure - we never saw bright win much in variety shows setting... To tell you the truth Bright always come to me as kinda cold / standoffish but just few days ago i saw some twitter videos from some event - they way he just naturally clung and hugged Gun made me realize we just don't know how he interact in more private setting. Having him and Win in SH could be really eyes opening.
I totally agree. At this point I'm only sporadically watching for KhaoFirst.Let's hope the audience can choose…
Not even sure if we see another season of SH after this one... but since it good way to promote upcoming ships - maybe? Just hope they add at least 3 seniors who take care of newbies and set atmosphere right without toxic masculinity.
Wow I am kind of shocked and so disappointed that I just witnessed the cast do black face and it was even laughed…
To answer your question - probably not. As a person who was not raised in USA and in a country that have nothing to do with slavery etc. i didn't understand what was wrong with doing blackface until I read some English article about it. Even then i needed to read some supplementary things - because I didn't share history and culture to fully understand it. I was not raised in a place where these things took place.
What I want to say - a bunch of 20 yo raised in Thailand culture who probably don't speak English have no idea. Just because something is common knowledge in one country doesn't mean it is true for others.
Anyway, GMMTV as a company that wanted to expand internationally is the one that dropped the ball.
honestly the whole cast was a bust the only ppl tht didnt disappoint me this season was khao first new (surprising)…
Knowing how important seniority is in Thai I really can't blame juniors for atmosphere seniors set. Its hammered to them since young after all. That's why i really think if they re-casted Foei and White the overall atmosphere would be a lot healthier.
They really flunked casting for this season. In the previous seasons I liked how members bonded and get to know each other better with many cute and funny moments. It was a place that build new friendships in a supportive environment. But at this point, I don't believe anyone has fun there or anything I liked about SH is still there
We have four newcomers Gemini, Fourth, Prom, Perth - They are young and don't know anyone for the most part. Then we have Tay, New - seniors who try to take care of newbies - when New was still there it was okay but after he left poor Tay was outnumbered. FirstKhao and Chimon are still okay
But Foei, White, Mond and Sing? They are seniors who are part of the main problem. Mond and Sing have almost no presence and keep to their already closed-up group while Foei and White are most senior members after Tay and New - but divide their group rather than bringing it closer. After day 5 I really felt like kicking them out due to their "joke" and teasing ( or bulling depending or how sensitive you are) and wishing they would bring Gun, Earth, Kris or Off to set the mood right.
- Too many commercials (not integrated well in plot) that just distracted you.
- Puen and Taley are boring characters who traveled into another universe just to live their boring lives. While Sea and Jimmy are not seasoned enough actors to create characters that viewers could care about. Add to this their mediocre chemistry.
- Plot is spread so thin that having 9 -10 ep. would be much matter - because 12 is overkill I was bored.
- Using Nanon and Ohm for hype.
Finished and never going back to rewatch it's just not worth it - but might finish reading novel.
Script is storytelling is really good so far. Ep. 1 might seems a bit confusing since we are instructed so many characters in a short period of time but after you get them down you can clearly see where the plot is going and enjoy it.
As for now I see 3 main (BL) couples and one straight that have more narrative role.
Fahlanruk sticks up pretty much from the typical BL love mold - so some people will definitely don't like it.
We don't have typical shy saint - like virginal uke but Sher who don't mind one-night stands with strangers. While Fahlanruk is also a player himself who likes sleeping around. They both don't share typical BL sex=Love, or sex can only happen after being in a relationship philosophy which will be probably shocking to some watchers.
They also both have their own relationships and friends
- Fahlanruk with Tle - they obviously sleep with each other but are not officially dating.
- Sher with Prince - they are obviously just friends but let people think there might be a couple for some reason.
So we have:
- Sher and Fahlanruk who start from one-time stand and evolve into friends with benefit.
- Ping and Tap (Fahlanruk friends) who are good friends, but one side harbors one-sided love toward the other.
- Prince and Gear who obviously have feelings for each other and flirt all the time while not yet trying to move toward the relationship.
In this way we have interesting drama about the relationship progress of 3 vastly different couples with different love philosophies and starting lines.
But when I like storyline - acting is just painful... I know they are newbies but+18 scenes are just stiff, you can just see actors are not into it. While Sher 6 o'clock shadow change shade with every scene.
For rest we need to wait and see
I read many theories - but no one know for sure. I even saw some Thai fan mention that casting for next year Gmmtv dramsa already begin so they might pull out Mike because they want to cast him with someone else next year and promote it.
But who know... there might be something we don't know about...
If you check Toptap istagram you won't see GMMTV contact number anymore, just gmail email address...
Also, Mike just in mid July was twitting how much he was looking forward to this role...
Really suck for Kris just in 2 days he have opening of his big stage play and now everyone will ask about drama and not about his work...
It also one of points why i think it will really work with Gawin, Gawin is more forward and easy going - considering plot Kris acting as confused time traveler who is not fully accepting butterfly effect while Gawin treat him as his long time lover.
I can easily picture their dynamic.
As for Gawin...
I think we are for a nice surprise. They have so vastly different vibe that just imagining them playing couple make my shy...
Kris is more on shy side in BL he acted before while Gawin is I will kiss you till you drop type
Just wonder if the rumor that the recasting of Mike and his ex ship Toptap leaving GMMTV are really connected as Twitter seems to think.
Edit: just come from reading Thai fans comments - it might be because I google translate them but most seem supportive of new ship while putting a shade on Mike? What Mike did that caused Thai fans be happy with his recast?
As for F. and W. they are done i think - even if Gmmtv cast them for new year dramas - who care? According to some Thai fans I talked with, actors earn peanuts from acting gigs - if you are not very popular it difficult to live from it - 95%of their earning come from sponsorship and events attendance. Now who would want F and W to attend event or endorse products? They will probably become hot potatoes no one would want to touch.
As for "joke" agree - knowing how important seniority is in Thai I can't image how they thought it would be okay to joke like this to junior. It almost like workplace bulling.... Would F. and W. dare to behave like this to Kris, New or Gun? I don't think so.
They only dare to joke like this because it was their "junior".
GMMTV response also didn't surprise me since they didn't want to make even bigger deal out of it - but somehow i have a feeling that if it was Earth and Mix in place of First and Khao and joke was directed at junior "mix" - Earth would not let it slide and this whole fiasco would end very differently.
I think this whole situation is easily to forgive since they apologized but not easy to FORGET. For me at least.
I will just wait and see how many jobs W. and F. get for year 23.
As for FirstKhao i gained new respect for them - but i just felt bad that they needed to get along with some people in that house...
Just few years ago Hollywood made a comedy movie about very bad historical event that took place in my country - people were pissed. But English speaking comment under movie trailer - Chill out you can't expect everyone to know, it's just a comedy / parody etc.
It made me really realize how much common knowledge differs depending on the country you are raised. Just because something is very big on English-speaking social media doesn't mean it is relevant or even talked about topic in other language media (I follow 3). I wouldn't even be able to properly translate it - because some words like racial slurs - don't even exist in my native language.
You talk about educating - but how much you know about big-no no of other countries like Chile, Germany, and Iran for example? You really can't expect bunch of 20yo raised in Thailand to be aware about these things - if you check Twitter - even most of Thai fans were confused about why international fans were not happy.
Having him and Win in SH could be really eyes opening.
Just hope they add at least 3 seniors who take care of newbies and set atmosphere right without toxic masculinity.
What I want to say - a bunch of 20 yo raised in Thailand culture who probably don't speak English have no idea.
Just because something is common knowledge in one country doesn't mean it is true for others.
Anyway, GMMTV as a company that wanted to expand internationally is the one that dropped the ball.
Its hammered to them since young after all.
That's why i really think if they re-casted Foei and White the overall atmosphere would be a lot healthier.
We have four newcomers Gemini, Fourth, Prom, Perth - They are young and don't know anyone for the most part.
Then we have Tay, New - seniors who try to take care of newbies - when New was still there it was okay but after he left poor Tay was outnumbered.
FirstKhao and Chimon are still okay
But Foei, White, Mond and Sing? They are seniors who are part of the main problem.
Mond and Sing have almost no presence and keep to their already closed-up group while Foei and White are most senior members after Tay and New - but divide their group rather than bringing it closer.
After day 5 I really felt like kicking them out due to their "joke" and teasing ( or bulling depending or how sensitive you are) and wishing they would bring Gun, Earth, Kris or Off to set the mood right.