Some K-dramas rely too heavily on toxic relationship tropes and forced romantic development, which can make the romance feel unrealistic and frustrating to watch. It's difficult to watch RR's nice guy pairing with a BB Lee Joo Myung's character, Kang Bang Geul. That character constantly grabbed, hit, and disrespected the male lead, which really got on my nerves. It followed a common K-drama trope where rude or aggressive behavior eventually gets turned into a love story. As a result, the romance feels forced rather than genuine. I just can't buy into the chemistry because all I see is that previous character. The "love" feels fake, the romance feels manufactured, and it's hard to enjoy the pairing .FAKE LOVE not MAKE BELIEVE.
Kim Hee Jung / O Jeong Ran best villain in a KD. OMG! š¢ š¢ š¢ She's going to fall, HARD. JR ESCAPING judgment!?.... J &J romantic duo, can't wait...
the change of events in this drama are great ! .. excellent pace and always looking forward to the next episode…
Bingo! And incestuous , kissing brother Baek Ho and sister Jang Mi IF they are not related it's criminal/ killer /murderer grandfather and victim grandson heir to dream in a romantic relationship š
Wow! Now thatās what I call romantic. Thatās what I call a genuinely great, friendly, and chemistry-filled pairing. Business proposal doesnāt stand a chance against them! Buying great reviews for her? š Between the punching, the rudeness, the fake bed scenes, and all the other eyesores, āsold out on youā takes on a whole new meaning, this little K-romance is sweet, charming, and full of eye candy. Boom Shakalaka!
Episode 60 was heartbreaking, though not entirely surprising when it came to Hyeon Jun's DNA results. What was truly devastating was HJ overhearing the truth about his mother's crimes. No childāwhether young or grownāshould have to learn that his own mother was responsible for the hit-and-run and even tried to kill Min Jun twice and Chloe as well. Hyeon Jun is innocent. He never asked to be born to Geun Tae and Jeong Ran, yet he is the one suffering the consequences of their actions.
My heart broke for Geun Tae. He was clearly in pain while trying to explain to Jeong Ran that he never betrayed her, it's about Hyeon Jun. He doesn't want HJ to live the rest of his life of being a murderer's son.
The most dreadful moment still lies ahead: how, when, and from whom Hyeon Jun will learn that he is not a Jun at all, but a Tae. That revelation is bound to be devastating.
As for Jeong Ran, drugging and kidnapping the Chairman proves that she has completely lost control. How much further is she willing to go before she finally ends up in jail? Another hit-and-run???
Chloe no longer needs HJ. The painful separation and emotional dependency seem to be over at last. Bet on a little romance between Jun and Ju exactly what is needed to help Min Jun reconnect with his true memories and return to his loved one Chloe/ Jin Ju
Yu Na certainly looks beautiful with her new makeover, but her fake, one-sided love persona remains difficult to watch. Her obsessive and compulsive fixation on someone she claims to love is causing far more harm than good. Instead of helping Min Jun heal, her actions continue to manipulate, confuse, and damage the very person she insists she cares about. Skipped, fast-forward
Seriously just take your homophobic self and go away. YOU are the problem here.
Is MDL belong to your family? Your property? š Homophobic! Are you new to MDL š "You can't even conduct a decent reply/ conversation /debate without relying on semantic technicalities. Rather than addressing the substance of the discussion, you hide behind wordplay, nitpicking, and off-topic arguments. It's a tactic that shifts attention away from the real issue instead of engaging with it honestly."
I would like to point out firstly, the one's you agree with you and the one's who disagree with you - both have…
The issue being discussed is not about freedom of the press, free speech, or an individual's constitutional rights.
The central concern is the separation between religious doctrine and the entertainment industry, particularly when topics such as homosexuality are presented alongside religious themes. That is the point of the discussion. Instead of focusing on personalities, motives, or unrelated accusations, the conversation should remain on whether entertainment productions should draw clearer boundaries when incorporating religious concepts into stories that may conflict with the teachings of certain faiths.
Yes, please get out and never come back. Itās people like you that make this world worse. You hide behind your…
Comparing a university curriculum to an elementary school curriculum is not a valid comparison. They serve different educational purposes and are designed for students at vastly different intellectual and developmental stages.
This was about agreeing or disagreeing. The discussion was about whether there should be a boundary between film production and religion. Instead of addressing that point, some commenters chose to go off-topic, attack the person making the argument, and focus on everything except the actual issue being raised.
When a discussion shifts from debating ideas to criticizing individuals, it often suggests an inability or unwillingness to engage with the argument itself. Whether that's immaturity, defensiveness, jealousy, or simple bad-faith discussion, the result is the same: the original topic gets buried.
Rather than discussing the concept of separating religion from entertainment and film production, the conversation became a distraction filled with assumptions and personal remarks. Disagree with the idea if you want, but address the idea. Turning the discussion into personal attacks contributes nothing meaningful to the conversation. š Boom Shakalaka! HNICH.
I haven't seen any criticism about this topic . You are the first one .
This is not really a criticism of the genre itself, but more of a concern about boundaries. In my view, the entertainment industry should be careful when mixing religion with film and television, especially in stories centered on romance or sexuality. Much like the principle of the separation of church and state, I believe film production should remain neutral regarding religious doctrine rather than incorporating it into storylines in ways that may be perceived as controversial or disrespectful.
For many believers, religious teachings are sacred. When religion is introduced into a script primarily to comment on or debate issues such as homosexuality, it can feel unnecessary because audiences are already aware of what major religions teach on the subject. For example, some Christians point to biblical passages that describe homosexual acts as sinful, while other Christians interpret those passages differently. Regardless of where people stand, those religious discussions already exist outside of entertainment.
From this perspective, including religion in such storylines may create the impression that sacred beliefs are being used as a plot device or are being mocked, even if that was not the creators' intention. It may be wiser to keep faith and entertainment separate, allowing religious matters to remain within their own sphere while letting films focus on storytelling without invoking religious doctrine.
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and everyone is entitled to enjoy entertainment. Maintaining a respectful boundary between artistic freedom and religious faith can help avoid unnecessary conflict and allow both to coexist without diminishing the other. It can feel as though invoking God or religious teachings in this type of storyline turns sacred beliefs into entertainment, which some believers may view as disrespectful. Because these teachings originate from religious texts such as the Bible, there should be a clear boundary between artistic freedom in the entertainment industry and matters of faith.
For many religious people, there is no need to incorporate religion into these scripts, especially when the story is not fundamentally about faith. According to traditional biblical teachings, homosexuality is considered a sin or an abomination, and many religions have established doctrines on the subject. Whether or not modern society follows those teachings is a separate issue.
My point is not about restricting entertainment, but about respecting religious beliefs. When religion is inserted into a storyline unnecessarily, it can come across as a mockery or misrepresentation of God and sacred teachings. It may be wiser to keep religious doctrine separate from entertainment ( The separation of church and state and public schools ) when it is not essential to the plot, particularly when the audience is already familiar with those religious views and the moral principles associated with them.
Thailand, you can produce BL dramas day in and day out, and people will still watch and enjoy them for what they are ā entertainment. But one thing many viewers strongly feel is that religion should be kept separate from it. Keep religion private. Everybody already knows what many religions traditionally say about BL and same-sex relationships. Those beliefs have existed for centuries and are considered by followers to be religious or moral laws.
At the same time, entertainment is entertainment. People watch dramas for emotions, storytelling, escapism, chemistry, and creativity. Once religion is dragged directly into the conversation, especially in a preachy or provocative way, it changes the atmosphere completely and creates unnecessary division, backlash, and hostility among viewers from different cultures and beliefs.
That is why bringing religion into BL content or promotional discussions can feel like a huge mistake to some audiences. It turns something fictional into a moral or ideological battlefield. Many fans simply want to enjoy the series without religious debates being forced into the middle of it. āDo as thou wiltā may work as a personal philosophy for some people, but mixing entertainment, religion, and moral provocation together is a dangerous combination that can easily spark outrage and controversy.
People can support BL, dislike BL, or remain neutral ā that is their personal choice. But using religion as a weapon in entertainment discourse often pushes things too far and risks offending audiences on every side. Sometimes the smartest approach is simple: let entertainment stay entertainment, let faith stay personal, and avoid crossing lines that will only create chaos and resentment. Wait for the wrath of "nature " and see " Do as thy wilt " take Thailand. Gemini, love ya, baby but $$$ and religion don't mix ... Shouldn't touch this with a 10 foot poll. Done. Out of here.
Thatās what Iāve been saying since it was first revealed he was adopted, about a month or so ago. I have two…
19 days ago... Replied to InspectorMegre " The pattern on Chairman's utensils are the same as the pattern on the gold frong in the BH's adoption bundle SOOO, THE CRIMINAL CHAIRMAN Dea KILLED BH'S PARENTS and took over BH's parents company "DREAM Hotel" š ok. BH is going to marry the granddaughter killer of his parents " Romeo and Juliet or soju scripts ...
Wow! Are you Korean? Letās see⦠You like mismatched, miserable pairings and undesirable nasty kissing scenes?…
" free will and a right to state my preference. " No problem " ... Be the last person to comment ... BUT, Be fair and honest. They don't deserved this type of rhetoric . That being said, some comments being spread online are clearly exaggerated and intentionally written with lies about the director and the actors. Criticism is completely valid, but there should still be basic respect and social decorum when discussing peopleās work. It is possible to express disappointment without spreading false accusations or personally attacking the cast and crew.
As international viewers, my friends and I felt completely heartbroken. We felt wronged, robbed, and emotionally drained. If thatās what Kang Jae Hyun and Song Soo Lim were trying to accomplish, then congratulations ā they succeeded. We donāt need an investigation to understand what happened here. Elementary, my dear Watson. My friends and I were furious ā especially ME. My two friends eventually let it go because they still hope for an ASTCO Season 2 filled with love and kisses. Not me. One of those mofos must secretly be in love with Kim Jae Han or Shin Ye Chan, because leaving such an OBVIOUS, BLATANT legacy of a K-drama/K-BL without a single proper kiss feels intentional at this point. The emotional setup was RIGHT THERE. Perfect opportunities wasted over and over again. Episode 6: Kang So calls Tae Hyun and says: āIām with Da Yeol. He kept calling your name⦠looking for you.ā OK⦠WTFRU!? He didn't say that. Then Tae Hyun runs like a rocket while remembering what Da Yeol once told him: āIf someone else loves you next time⦠love him back for once.ā And then Kang So continues: āIāll let you in on an amazing scoop. Check out the tear stains. Iām not going to be a fool stuck between the two of you.ā RIGHT THERE. That bench scene should have led to a drunken emotional kiss. Episode 7 was literally screaming for it. Then: āWhere are we going? Whatās that?ā said Da Yeol. āSupplies for our love on the run,ā said Tae Hyun.
ALONE in a hotel room sharing lollipops⦠no sweet kiss. ALONE in the pool⦠no wet kiss.
āHere are some flowers, Da Yeol. Bye Thatās K-entertainment!?
No. That felt like evil plotting written by two monsters determined to deny viewers emotional payoff on purpose. Viewers are going to drop this. And honestly? IDGAF anymore if there wonāt be a Season 2, because clearly those two mofos didnāt care about the audience either. Theyāre abusing their power and completely shameless about it.
Even the way they keep Kim Jae Han and Shin Ye Chan separated on stage during OMEGA X / OX-N performances feels ridiculous, evil jealousy at this point.
I donāt care anymore whether thereās a Season 2 or not. Commenting this out actually made me feel better. Anger free now. And watch ā people are getting so frustrated theyāll start boycotting Korean content entirely. Weāll get on Netflix too. Koreans will bankrupt Netflix at this rate⦠even though ASTCO wasnāt even a Netflix production.
Anything Korean is going to start losing international trust if they keep baiting audiences like this.
10/10 WOW. Eyes candy, sweet friendship, natural chemistry, two very handsome guys, Honestly, I came into this K-BL way too late. I didnāt even bother commenting properly at first because I assumed it was going to be the same old formula again ā arranged partners with zero friendship, no emotional warmth, and those painfully nauseating kissing scenes where the actors look uncomfortable or forced.
But this one surprised me. The chemistry actually felt natural. The friendship and emotional connection came first, which made the romance believable instead of awkward fanservice. Min U and Lucifer genuinely looked comfortable together, and that made all the difference. Two very handsome leads with strong acting skills, good pacing, sweet moments, and real tension without forcing misery every five minutes.
Kudos to the K-director and K-writer for finally giving viewers something that feels sincere instead of another cold, or painfully manufactured. depressing āromanceā where the leads look like theyād rather be anywhere else.
Wow! Are you Korean? Letās see⦠You like mismatched, miserable pairings and undesirable nasty kissing scenes? Min U and Lucifer are apparently ātoo lovelyā for you. You prefer the loveless, forced romance instead, and the same level of great acting is somehow annoying now? Misery really loves company. sick F* mentally sick, sorry its fits. No wonder a lot of people are getting discouraged and dropping K-BLs lately. Watch this K-BL too late. Didn't get to comment are great this is all around Kudos Kdirector and Kwriter
She's keeping her cool in front of her sick son/nephew for his sake, she CAN'T aggravate sh!t.
" I said some things and you never replied to what I said " Replied to what relevant and his mother/aunt is protecting him which you don't agree with. Sorry you feel that way.
She's keeping her cool in front of her sick son/nephew for his sake, she CAN'T aggravate sh!t.
EXACTLY THE POINT TO AN AMNESIAC PATIENT... YN transformed herself to look similar to JJ, even using the same camera MJ shared with JJ. Thatās why the situation is so disturbing ā sheās not just lying with words, sheās recreating JJās presence piece by piece to confuse MJ emotionally and mentally. For someone suffering from memory loss, familiar objects, faces, habits, and emotional triggers can easily blur reality. The camera is symbolic because it connects directly to MJās memories and feelings for JJ. YN is basically stepping into JJās identity to manipulate MJ into believing the false version of events. Screaming for āthe truthā to come out ā is NOT gonna help, because YNās deception goes beyond jealousy or rivalry. Itās psychological manipulation aimed at a vulnerable person who cannot fully trust his own memories.
It's difficult to watch RR's nice guy pairing with a BB Lee Joo Myung's character, Kang Bang Geul. That character constantly grabbed, hit, and disrespected the male lead, which really got on my nerves. It followed a common K-drama trope where rude or aggressive behavior eventually gets turned into a love story. As a result, the romance feels forced rather than genuine. I just can't buy into the chemistry because all I see is that previous character. The "love" feels fake, the romance feels manufactured, and it's hard to enjoy the pairing .FAKE LOVE not MAKE BELIEVE.
J &J romantic duo, can't wait...
Business proposal doesnāt stand a chance against them! Buying great reviews for her? š Between the punching, the rudeness, the fake bed scenes, and all the other eyesores,
āsold out on youā takes on a whole new meaning, this little K-romance is sweet, charming, and full of eye candy. Boom Shakalaka!
My heart broke for Geun Tae. He was clearly in pain while trying to explain to Jeong Ran that he never betrayed her, it's about Hyeon Jun. He doesn't want HJ to live the rest of his life of being a murderer's son.
The most dreadful moment still lies ahead: how, when, and from whom Hyeon Jun will learn that he is not a Jun at all, but a Tae. That revelation is bound to be devastating.
As for Jeong Ran, drugging and kidnapping the Chairman proves that she has completely lost control. How much further is she willing to go before she finally ends up in jail? Another hit-and-run???
Chloe no longer needs HJ. The painful separation and emotional dependency seem to be over at last. Bet on a little romance between Jun and Ju exactly what is needed to help Min Jun reconnect with his true memories and return to his loved one Chloe/ Jin Ju
Yu Na certainly looks beautiful with her new makeover, but her fake, one-sided love persona remains difficult to watch. Her obsessive and compulsive fixation on someone she claims to love is causing far more harm than good. Instead of helping Min Jun heal, her actions continue to manipulate, confuse, and damage the very person she insists she cares about. Skipped, fast-forward
š Homophobic! Are you new to MDL š
"You can't even conduct a decent reply/ conversation /debate without relying on semantic technicalities. Rather than addressing the substance of the discussion, you hide behind wordplay, nitpicking, and off-topic arguments. It's a tactic that shifts attention away from the real issue instead of engaging with it honestly."
The central concern is the separation between religious doctrine and the entertainment industry, particularly when topics such as homosexuality are presented alongside religious themes. That is the point of the discussion.
Instead of focusing on personalities, motives, or unrelated accusations, the conversation should remain on whether entertainment productions should draw clearer boundaries when incorporating religious concepts into stories that may conflict with the teachings of certain faiths.
When a discussion shifts from debating ideas to criticizing individuals, it often suggests an inability or unwillingness to engage with the argument itself. Whether that's immaturity, defensiveness, jealousy, or simple bad-faith discussion, the result is the same: the original topic gets buried.
Rather than discussing the concept of separating religion from entertainment and film production, the conversation became a distraction filled with assumptions and personal remarks. Disagree with the idea if you want, but address the idea. Turning the discussion into personal attacks contributes nothing meaningful to the conversation. š
Boom Shakalaka! HNICH.
For many believers, religious teachings are sacred. When religion is introduced into a script primarily to comment on or debate issues such as homosexuality, it can feel unnecessary because audiences are already aware of what major religions teach on the subject. For example, some Christians point to biblical passages that describe homosexual acts as sinful, while other Christians interpret those passages differently. Regardless of where people stand, those religious discussions already exist outside of entertainment.
From this perspective, including religion in such storylines may create the impression that sacred beliefs are being used as a plot device or are being mocked, even if that was not the creators' intention. It may be wiser to keep faith and entertainment separate, allowing religious matters to remain within their own sphere while letting films focus on storytelling without invoking religious doctrine.
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and everyone is entitled to enjoy entertainment. Maintaining a respectful boundary between artistic freedom and religious faith can help avoid unnecessary conflict and allow both to coexist without diminishing the other.
It can feel as though invoking God or religious teachings in this type of storyline turns sacred beliefs into entertainment, which some believers may view as disrespectful. Because these teachings originate from religious texts such as the Bible, there should be a clear boundary between artistic freedom in the entertainment industry and matters of faith.
For many religious people, there is no need to incorporate religion into these scripts, especially when the story is not fundamentally about faith. According to traditional biblical teachings, homosexuality is considered a sin or an abomination, and many religions have established doctrines on the subject. Whether or not modern society follows those teachings is a separate issue.
My point is not about restricting entertainment, but about respecting religious beliefs. When religion is inserted into a storyline unnecessarily, it can come across as a mockery or misrepresentation of God and sacred teachings. It may be wiser to keep religious doctrine separate from entertainment ( The separation of church and state and public schools ) when it is not essential to the plot, particularly when the audience is already familiar with those religious views and the moral principles associated with them.
At the same time, entertainment is entertainment. People watch dramas for emotions, storytelling, escapism, chemistry, and creativity. Once religion is dragged directly into the conversation, especially in a preachy or provocative way, it changes the atmosphere completely and creates unnecessary division, backlash, and hostility among viewers from different cultures and beliefs.
That is why bringing religion into BL content or promotional discussions can feel like a huge mistake to some audiences. It turns something fictional into a moral or ideological battlefield. Many fans simply want to enjoy the series without religious debates being forced into the middle of it. āDo as thou wiltā may work as a personal philosophy for some people, but mixing entertainment, religion, and moral provocation together is a dangerous combination that can easily spark outrage and controversy.
People can support BL, dislike BL, or remain neutral ā that is their personal choice. But using religion as a weapon in entertainment discourse often pushes things too far and risks offending audiences on every side. Sometimes the smartest approach is simple: let entertainment stay entertainment, let faith stay personal, and avoid crossing lines that will only create chaos and resentment. Wait for the wrath of "nature " and see " Do as thy wilt " take Thailand.
Gemini, love ya, baby but $$$ and religion don't mix ... Shouldn't touch this with a 10 foot poll.
Done. Out of here.
" The pattern on Chairman's utensils are the same as the pattern on the gold frong in the BH's adoption bundle SOOO, THE CRIMINAL CHAIRMAN Dea KILLED BH'S PARENTS and took over BH's parents company "DREAM Hotel" š ok.
BH is going to marry the granddaughter killer of his parents "
Romeo and Juliet or soju scripts ...
That being said, some comments being spread online are clearly exaggerated and intentionally written with lies about the director and the actors. Criticism is completely valid, but there should still be basic respect and social decorum when discussing peopleās work. It is possible to express disappointment without spreading false accusations or personally attacking the cast and crew.
My friends and I were furious ā especially ME. My two friends eventually let it go because they still hope for an ASTCO Season 2 filled with love and kisses. Not me. One of those mofos must secretly be in love with Kim Jae Han or Shin Ye Chan, because leaving such an OBVIOUS, BLATANT legacy of a K-drama/K-BL without a single proper kiss feels intentional at this point.
The emotional setup was RIGHT THERE. Perfect opportunities wasted over and over again.
Episode 6:
Kang So calls Tae Hyun and says:
āIām with Da Yeol. He kept calling your name⦠looking for you.ā
OK⦠WTFRU!? He didn't say that.
Then Tae Hyun runs like a rocket while remembering what Da Yeol once told him:
āIf someone else loves you next time⦠love him back for once.ā
And then Kang So continues:
āIāll let you in on an amazing scoop. Check out the tear stains. Iām not going to be a fool stuck between the two of you.ā
RIGHT THERE. That bench scene should have led to a drunken emotional kiss. Episode 7 was literally screaming for it.
Then:
āWhere are we going? Whatās that?ā said Da Yeol.
āSupplies for our love on the run,ā said Tae Hyun.
ALONE in a hotel room sharing lollipops⦠no sweet kiss.
ALONE in the pool⦠no wet kiss.
āHere are some flowers, Da Yeol. Bye
Thatās K-entertainment!?
No. That felt like evil plotting written by two monsters determined to deny viewers emotional
payoff on purpose.
Viewers are going to drop this.
And honestly? IDGAF anymore if there wonāt be a Season 2, because clearly those two mofos didnāt care about the audience either. Theyāre abusing their power and completely shameless about it.
Even the way they keep Kim Jae Han and Shin Ye Chan separated on stage during OMEGA X / OX-N performances feels ridiculous, evil jealousy at this point.
I donāt care anymore whether thereās a Season 2 or not. Commenting this out actually made me feel better. Anger free now.
And watch ā people are getting so frustrated theyāll start boycotting Korean content entirely. Weāll get on Netflix too. Koreans will bankrupt Netflix at this rate⦠even though ASTCO wasnāt even a Netflix production.
Anything Korean is going to start losing international trust if they keep baiting audiences like this.
Honestly, I came into this K-BL way too late. I didnāt even bother commenting properly at first because I assumed it was going to be the same old formula again ā arranged partners with zero friendship, no emotional warmth, and those painfully nauseating kissing scenes where the actors look uncomfortable or forced.
But this one surprised me. The chemistry actually felt natural. The friendship and emotional connection came first, which made the romance believable instead of awkward fanservice. Min U and Lucifer genuinely looked comfortable together, and that made all the difference. Two very handsome leads with strong acting skills, good pacing, sweet moments, and real tension without forcing misery every five minutes.
Kudos to the K-director and K-writer for finally giving viewers something that feels sincere instead of another cold, or painfully manufactured. depressing āromanceā where the leads look like theyād rather be anywhere else.
Watch this K-BL too late. Didn't get to comment are great this is all around Kudos Kdirector and Kwriter
For someone suffering from memory loss, familiar objects, faces, habits, and emotional triggers can easily blur reality. The camera is symbolic because it connects directly to MJās memories and feelings for JJ. YN is basically stepping into JJās identity to manipulate MJ into believing the false version of events.
Screaming for āthe truthā to come out ā is NOT gonna help, because YNās deception goes beyond jealousy or rivalry. Itās psychological manipulation aimed at a vulnerable person who cannot fully trust his own memories.