Amaryllis_Flower

A BDSM total power exchange relationship, or any kind of a relationship that involves consent can't exist when one or both of the parties have been groomed as children.

I think you would agree that children can't consent, and probably no child would consent to be being beaten and bullied.

But when you grow up in that can you really consent to a relationship that grows out of that as an adult?

Would you consider that 80 little girls that were sold as brides to Warren Jeffs as consenting? What about the three that are still standing by him now that he's in jail for the rest of his life?

I wouldn't consider any of those women as consenting because of the way they were raised.

And in a lifestyle BDSM Dom/sub relationship the sub does not manipulate the Dom. The sub has a need for that dominance and it doesn't feel good for the sub to take the other role.

Some of it depends on whether we're talking lifestyle or playing in the bedroom. And some couples who like to play with BDSM in the bedroom will actually switch roles.

But I don't think any of this actually applies to Ramil and Paytai.

I guess it's a matter of opinion. I've watched it several times. But you don't have to. If you want to see the kissing scenes leading up to the consummation of their relationship, you can watch about 3 minutes of the end of episode 7 and the beginning of episode 8.

I really enjoyed Cutie Pie despite the plot being not horribly consistent.

My car playlist consists of around 100 songs sung by NyNew, and Cutie Pie had a great OST.

That's why I said under most circumstances. In my year of researching BDSM I read a interview with William Brame who is the slave to Gloria Brame, a lifestyle dominant.

The interviewer asked Will why he didn't change his name when they got married and why did they get married at all?

He replied that being the sub means he does what his Dom demands and she wanted his last name so that's the way it went.

So conceivably In a Dom/sub relationship something that outsiders would take as subservience by the Dom could in reality be the sub following his Dom's command.

However I don't take Ramil and Paytai's relationship as being either a life style or strictly bedroom BDSM relationship. Paytai was groomed and quite frankly so was Ramil to accept the abuse that Rachata meted out. They are both victims but Paytai is more of a victim because he gets to be the whipping boy of Rachata and the slave to his son.

I can't tell you but so far none of the trailer scenes have appeared in the series.

If you remember in the 2022 pilot Khanin enters the palace and sees all of these people bowing in the grandeur and he says, "What's happened to my life?" In the series there was Khanin bowing to servants as he entered and his butler Chakri being horrified.

Then there was the pilot scene in the garden where Khanin was wearing that rose-covered suit. And they are trying to convince subjects that they are in love while taking photos on an iPad. In the series what happened is the king reprimanded them for perceived inappropriate closeness. And Chakri suggests that they pretend to be dating rather than issuing a denial. Then you see a short montage of the two of them out and about on romantic dates.

In the pilot Paytai putting the scarf on Ramil's eyes indicates dominance. And in the series he is a whipping boy, so in other words a slave. Under most circumstances he would be the one to be getting a scarf put over his eyes Rather than the other way around.

Might be that the dog collar scene replaces the scarf because it is a stronger signal of Ramil's dominance over Paytai.

But you never know. Paytai did pull the scarf out of the drawer in the series . . . 😉

Cutie Pie is also on IQIYI if you're interested. 😉

I'm not sure. It could be that Ramil as the abuser hadn't been fleshed out in the pilot. And also the writers have an appalling lack of knowledge about the difference between abuse and BDSM.

But that said Ramil is definitely the Dom in the relationship to Paytai's slave so in a story without any nuance it would be Paytai being blindfolded.

I'm not saying that the scarf scene won't eventually be included, but the dog collar scene was much more apropos of the stereotype of a Dom.

I thought a lot happened last episode, but you're right, it didn't concentrate on the investigation into Thatdanai.

It may have been obvious to you why Charan didn't fence in public but it wasn't obvious to Khanin.

I remember in an earlier episode with the Gemini twins constellation and Charan's reaction. The purpose of that scene was to give us the audience more information about Charan's character, because obviously the king already knew he was a romantic but we might miss it since his demeanor was so severe.

To me the purpose of this episode was to expand on the closeness of Charan and Khanin.

At this point Ramil and Paytai don't hold much interest to me, because we don't have much background on their story except that he was inducted into this whipping boy role as a small child. But eventually I think there will be more to that and what made Rachata such a despicable human being.

I would hope that the disappearance of every single woman in this series save Ava will be explained at some future point.

Some plot lines will obviously take a back seat to some others. This particular one concentrated mostly on Charan's back story.

The nightclub scene was kind of long but it was the lead up to the fight scene and Charan's revealing his childhood trauma to Khanin.

They are the stars so most episodes are going to concentrate on their story.

The only others that I'm really interested in is what happened to Thatdanai, and why didn't he come back to Emmaly right away. Has he caught on that the king is using him as some sort of disposable servant?

The other storyline I'm interested in is what is the connection between Charan's family and the Meenanakarin pearls.

I'm not sure if the writers are going to be revealing what happened to all the women in this series. In BL's in general I've found that women are usually just side characters and never fleshed out. But in this case it is so obvious that every single woman has either been killed or imprisoned that I hope the writers will tell us why.

I recommend Cutie Pie episode 8. These guys definitely know how to kiss but this kiss wasn't about lust.

It was about Charan for the first time having someone else have his back. It's about Khanin telling him I'm here to care for you, I love you. All of this is overwhelming for Charan because it's something he's never experienced before. As a royal guard he's never even had a friend much less someone who cares about him so deeply. Lust will come later.

I think in general the series is getting a lot of undeserved criticism for pace.

I think a lot of interesting things happened in episode 6.

Charan's backstory which not only revealed his trauma but also his connection to Thatdanai and the reason that he might want to find him Even if Khanin never existed.

We also learn about Charan's family history of being royal guards. We also learn why Charan doesn't fence in public. And even before Charan reveals his trauma to Khanin we learn about his family history in the arts, and the connection to the Meenanakarin's pearls. Since Charan's father gave his mother the pearls It seems there may be a family connection but further back in the ancestry. Pretty sure that Charan's Father wouldn't have given his mother the pearls if she was carrying another man's baby.

The story of the pearls is subtle but interesting. They are part of Charan's history, and part of his growing relationship with Khanin. Charan isn't willing to give him a golden pearl yet but he gives him a yellow pearl showing his growing affection.

The investigation into Thatdanai progresses. We now know he's in Emmaly and next the investigator should be meeting with him now that he has a witness.

Most of the story of Ramil and Paytai has yet to unfold. Hopefully Rachata gets his comeuppance for what he's done to both his son and lover. He is destroyed both of their lives.

I think the plot building is fascinating but doesn't seem to be happening quick enough for some people's liking. A lot happened in episode 6.

Actually I unblocked you just so I could report your harassing and stalking posts. I'll reblock you tomorrow.

I don't think Khanin's forgotten his purpose but he knows that Charan is investigating. He isn't in a position to do anything directly. He doesn't know Emmaly and he trusts Charan. The best thing he can do is let him and the investigator do their jobs.

Khanin also knows that his best chance of being reunited with his father is staying in Emmaly since Charan told him that if he survived the attack that's where he would be headed

Of course there are people who are interested. At the end of episode 5 Charan heard from the investigator. And in episode 6 he was still on the job following up on leads. He wouldn't still be doing this if Charan wasn't trying to find him.

We learn in episode 6 that Thatdanai was not only involved in Khanin's upbringing but also was involved in taking care of Charan, however briefly, when his mother disappeared. It's actually a pretty interesting plot device that I will enjoy seeing unfold.

We now have a witness that has seen Thatdanai in Emmaly so I'm expecting a meeting between him and the investigator pretty soon.

Regarding Ramil and Paytai the only interest I have in them is seeing Prince Rachata punished for the heaps of abuse that he's put not only on Paytai but his son. Rachata is the most obviously evil character in the series.

You have serious mental health problems. You don't know how to debate a subject and when a person turns to personal attacks that means you lost the debate. For now I'll just block you but you really need to be banned from social media. You are a crazy stalker.

Pretty sure they're both supposed to be virgins. Seems to be a theme of Mandee fated love productions.

All of your blathering shows how little you know about me, which is no surprise. Now please go get some help for whatever you've got going on. Your obsession with me is a little creepy.

Zee is looking for a new house to live in with his family. Nu plans on living in his new house with his parents and maybe his brother and sister-in-law. Not sure about that. Zee said that he did find a house he liked and wanted to buy but couldn't afford it.

But at least at this point in time they have no plans to live with each other.

There are things they say that lead fans to believe they are together and other things they say that make me think they aren't. That's why I'm on the fence.

But I'm a fan. I enjoy this series and their music. I'm even enjoying TNP despite the fact that it isn't perfect.

Oh yeah. I forgot about the movie because it was kind of awful. But I do agree that the characters they've played aren't similar.

I can't imagine what your life must be like to spew venom on strangers in a discussion group. But what ever mental health issues you are suffering from the one area in which I am unqualified is psychiatry.

You are actually kind of scary, and I suggest you get some help. Makes me feel good to live in a gated community.

Unwanted by you doesn't mean universally unwanted. And if you don't like them you know where the block button is.

You seem to have enough time in your day to insert yourself here. You do realize that we travel with our phones. Takes two seconds to answer something that interests you.

I'm not even home.

Anyone is entitled to an opinion but when a post starts with disparaging the wisdom of others I'm curious enough to wonder why this person thinks we are lacking in education.

Oh, I also know how to voice text. And multitask several businesses while getting a couple of master's degrees.

So this is a piece of cake.