AmirTH

look, I do have an answer for what you said, but it feels like you're staying from my main point

my main point and problem is simple:
writers showing men desperate and obsessive in love who it seems like they have no other purpose other than pursuing a woman, this is my problem, the way of showing men like that is just wrong SPECIALLY when the feelings aren't mutual.

now for your answer
that's another thing writer MESS UP exactly, why should feelings ONLY develop if a man constantly save the woman? they are both mature adults. the only way you have to bring them together is just by nearly killing one to get the other to like him back? this just shows how weak the plot is.
and what do you expect a FML to be exactly? who she is and what she does is really dangerous. did you expect her to be a man to know Martial arts to protect herself or fly like superman then you would consider her strong? she has a whole group of bodyguards around her who protect her all the time. the problem isn't with her being STRONG or CAPABLE. ML taking care of the FML when he has feelings for her is understandable, but the excessive amount of time she is saved I think is a just a poor effort of writer to get her like the ML on this issue I'm on your side

first of all_ if he wasn't obsessed she would've died more than 10 times already (honestly I lost the counts how many times he save her life with his own life)

second_ he never forced her to do ANYTHING she wanted an obedient, easy to control husband and preferably someone who's gonna die soon:)) and she just sticked to it untill the end

third_ I agree with you on one thing I HATE when writers create a ML who is obsessed and has only one life purpose of pursuing FML, I HATE It that there are a lot of dramas FML doesn't reciprocate MLs feelings and for a lot of people it seems like it's nothing. I don't like it when they throw away a Mans dignity in trash just like that.

these kinda dramas are a lot these days, they don't have good moral message but everyone seems happy , as long as FML us happy

hopefully we'll get some of that generally:)

sa a man I confirm that it really is enjoyable for us to dote, love and support the woman we love, but the kinda relationship they show in cdramas is really unacceptable to me. this is torture for a man, why would a man even want that? if it was one drama I'd be ok with it but it is one after another they show this kinda relationship it is exhausting to watch for me anymore

this is not the first time unfortunately and it wouldn't be the last time, this is an era where FMLs have ambition and purpose and the ML except for FML has no purpose and identity in life

thanks for the tip, i'll skip this one

i want to start the drama, i don't care about the rating
just one question:
does the MLs relationship with the FML feels unbalanced _him always sacrificing and her always receiving_ or is there more mutual exchange when you watch it?

Dropped at ep 26
stop writing dramas men go through hell and comes back for the woman he loves, has countless near death experience in return the woman gives him candy, WHY has this become a new norm in C_dramas?
in dramas women always say they want equality in their relationship, is this what they talk about? the man gives and gives and you just take?

I see a sentence a lot about cdramas
"You can never see a man like that in real life"
It is true, I agree with it
These days when I see a cdrama , I often change the roles and think to myself what if the things the man does was done by a woman a things the woman does was done by a man? The answer is the man becomes toxic and the woman becomes someone who is blinded by love.
Men want and need peace in their lives, I don't understand why you would think that we have to torture ourselves for a woman as toxic as a lot of (NOT all) FMLs of cdramas, we don't and we never will.
You ALL have standards for yourselves I've heard and know enough of them now hear some of ours:
We want respect and peace, we want a woman who cares for us, her man be her first priority. We ABSOLUTELY don't need and want it but we wanna know if a dangerous situation happens she is willing to risk her life for us. we want a woman who is willing to face the joys and difficulties of life with us
I've watched MANY cdramas, sorry but A LOT OF women of cdrama don't fit this category. I only hope women in real life be better I'll search for a one like this myself :)

I want an obedient and easy to control husband, this wasn't said just early in the drama to say oh it's just the beginning doesn't mean that much or it's gonna change
I really wish and curious to see if they dare make drama where ML constantly say this about FML

excuse me, beyond what exactly?
I saw your character along with your personal attacks. not interested in your opinion anymore. good luck

Bcs I HATE double standards, a man who sleeps with a lot of women is called a playboy, he or his friends call him a legend, a woman who does the same they call her a sl**t (I'm not saying like this is a good act, I say if it's bad then it's bad for BOTH)
The same is for some women too, if a woman does something wrong they say oh it's empowering, you go girl, they even encourage her. But God forbids if a man does that. Oh he is a jerk.
This gender war is annoying and frustrating for me.
No you don't owe me that but exactly bcs we're strangers we can talk about these situations without limit and know different peoples opinion and perspectives, that's how I look at it

Oh god
Still no answer to the real question, if you forgot what was it (which I doubt) I remind you
just like you I love FL, I have ONLY two problems with her:
1_her manipulative behavior 2_ bringing a third person in their relationship
NOW you said this is a grey choice, you defend her choice and say she did nothing wrong (I think this is ethically wrong and I strongly disagree, but we'll move on)
The question is here:
If the same thing happens to a WOMAN in real life OR drama, would you defend the man who was manipulative or brought a third person (just like FL did here) in relationship like you did today?

again you avoid to answer the DS question you really can't, can you? :)
we're BOTH here to discuss something and BOTH think we're right, don't play the victim card with me. that trick is old.
it's ok if you don't wanna continue, I think you already got my point

I didn't say DS from the FL I said from you and I CLEARLY explained what I meant by that, I don't understand why you steer my words in a different direction or are you pretending like you don't get my point?
low life in that dump??? very interesting choice of words, that's beneath you and disappointing

just remember your choice here and how you defended FML in her so called grey choice
in future avoid the double standard

in the end I didn't get a clear 'she was wrong for doing that' from you.
you hide behind words like 'this is not a normal relationship' or 'she is who she is wether we like it or not' and think of it as a grey choice.
it's ok, just remember your choice and your words now, in future if you saw the exact same thing (exactly this kinda manipulative behavior, or bringing a third person in relationship) happens to a woman in drama or real life, remember what was your reaction now. if you want to respond to that differently that would be a double standard and it shows you're biased.
I know what I'd do, I would defend the woman and call out the guy for his behavior.
I know this time the disagreement between you and me is fundamental, you stick to grey choices in life and I stick to my right and wrongs, in life I know you're right but I know I'm right too, there needs to be a balance between these two.

thank you
I agree with you again AND it is still wrong. I said it before she did this now, who says she wouldn't do it a second time or a third time. this is wrong behavior which unfortunately shown as something ok in this drama and a lot of others

again I meant put yourself in his shoes in this specific situation not everything except this one.
bringing a third person in relationship is wrong.
I agree with you on most of the things you mentioned and I acknowledge his mistake when he abandoned her at airport, he had valid reasons but it was a complete mistake anyway.
the point is I acknowledge his mistake do you acknowledge hers?

Respectfully, I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted you to put yourself in his shoes. it's interesting that you took offence to that!!
If you don't like that happens to you how can you possibly expect a man to be ok with that.