Yes, we all did and he looked like he needed to use the restroom ASAP. Constipation needs to be handled. 🤣🤣🤣
He is a very complex character with a lot nuisances but he failed to gain the audience sympathy, give reasoning for his actions, show the "internal struggle going on in him between his love for FL and desire to save his family" and he holds a single emotion without micro-expressions or anything else. You better believe if SQR character was played by better actor and seasoned villain like Jeremy Tusai or Liu Xue Yi. Our sympathies will be far and wide him. I personally believe villain are one of the most important characters in dramas and they make or break the whole thing.
Okay I will give you full account,in previous life Emperor/ML led an expedition to the North to conquer it and…
Then we are in completely agreement cuz her method was 100 times better as compared to crown prince, but novel fails explain. Why nobel families don't rise up this time around, when they clearly knew FL/ML have fucked them over. There is no precedent for solution FL give in Chinese history, writer probably ripped that off from Middle- Eastern History cuz it's the way mentioned in Islam to deal with problem like these. There is no concept of legal or illegal son there and son of first wife, second wife, concubine, infedility partner and even rape victim are all equal in eyes of law and religion. They all inherit equal property and had equal right to become king or inherit title....which is topic for another discussion cuz there is no legal pretense of Caliph title going from father to son. Proper way of doing it is to reflect new caliph from suitable candidates by voting !
1)Boat scene2)Bath scene3)Brothel scene4)Old Minister Pie scene with her mother-in-law waiting outside to catch…
Yep this divorce for them will be like marriage is for normal/sane people and his continuous absence from home will make FL feel restless like a void has been left open in her heart and home. While everybody else though Ml hate her due to boat scandal and divorced her, they worked together to deal with consort ru and nut sack. Lol that shit was funny cuz Ml went to brothel to attend the banquet hosted by his new ministry, when FL heard it she thought he was there for sex and followed him there....then Hua Li took notice of ML talent and he nearly married consort Ru niece.
Well in novel there no longing eyes, FL was kinda neutral after hearing he killed her. After the Banquet scene, she completely ignored him and then started attacking him in the court. Which she will as you will see tomorrow...but with director/producer bias to SQR....who knows !
Okay I will give you full account,in previous life Emperor/ML led an expedition to the North to conquer it and…
I don't LR is trying to save SQR, ever loved him or even now trying to save him. She may appear nonchalant but her biggest fear is the repeat of previous life, where her and ML were at odds against eachother and they both died. This is her biggest fear, and she is generally a hard person to like but she loves ML and is obsessed with him. Now back to major point and in order to end our debate, we first define country and Kingdom, "an area of land that has its own government and army"
Nobel families had the right to rule and tax their subjects in their own land, as they wish the central government don't collect any taxes and they can't enter their territory and their kingdom had their own army. This is what you call an Warlord rouge state, classical of Three Kingdom, eight princess rebellion, warring states period and later jin period. So The Han emperor you are trying to mention is Han Wudi and he was great conqueror, who just like Emperor forced reform through the court and then nobels/ states rebel and then he would launch campaign and utterly devastate them. I am using utter devastate cuz he emptied huge area of Chinese southlands and completely depopulated the area. He is known for his reforms, which he passed on the tip of sword and sheer brutality! The point I am trying to make here is no civilization in history of mankind is going to put up with independent kingdoms/nobel families like they had shown in drama.
They will but you are depressed, so I will spoil it for you, Just put up with tomorrow's angst and after that, divorce will happen and their romance will improve 10000 times. FL will say calm "Fuck you" to SQR tomorrow and after that, they will become proper husband and wife. I don't know how much of the source material producers will use from novel but its full of bliss and FL will get jealous and went after ML to catch him red handed in brothel (he was there for official business). Divorce for them will be what is marriage is for normal people !
Okay I will give you full account,in previous life Emperor/ML led an expedition to the North to conquer it and…
I agree with you points and Emperor was at fault for alot of things too, like when he went on expedition, he should have known nobel families will block the supplies. I blame LC but at the same time, when I look at the whole picture I also understands that. One party went extreme, and Nobel families forced his hand. They tax and Imperial examination reforms were the chance for them to show their sincerity but they completely against it. I would have blamed LC for a lot stuff but at the same time, after his father death. They tried to become even more powerful and refuse to reform or give-away anything and that bring about their doom, in essence if you look at it. They owned huge swaths of land, paid no taxes for it, land was completely in their control and they owned their own massive private armies and they were also allied to each other. This is what you call "Warlords" or independent kingdoms on which no Emperor had any authority, you are thinking LC was wrong but I see a man attempting to conquer the rival kingdoms to bring about the peace and restoration of his country. Now if Nobel families accepted any reforms like "Tax reform", I would have stood by your opinion but they refused to change or give up anything and went ahead to gain even more power. So, you see a tyrannical ruler but I see a "great conqueror" like Qin, Han, Tang and Ming trying to unify the country under one rule. Do you know what I genuinely believe novel writer used Chinese "Romance of three Kingdom" period as source material, cuz just like here every Nobel family/aka warlord ruled independently in the name of the Emperor until one went far and killed the man. Then Nobel houses of Liu Bei, Cao Cao and Sun declared their own kingdoms.
That being said, current Emperor is right and crown prince is unfit to rule, so best thing he ever did was making the FL as princess reagent.
But the comment was about SQR crimes and I kinda wrote it to enlist reasons, why his Su family did went far and were rightfully exterminated.
audience of this drama going through a lot of WARCharacter war, Fan war, Gender war, Ideology war now recently…
Okay I will give you full account, in previous life Emperor/ML led an expedition to the North to conquer it and he wanted to conquer the Northlands cuz he promised his sister (FL) in the past. That he would never allow her to be send as political marriage hostage to that country. For that, he tried to raise taxes on the Nobel families, asked for supplies but they firmly resisted it. Still ML managed to scrabble enough money and they set off but when they were fighting the enemy, the Nobel family corruption made sure not enough supplies/food reached his army and eventually he was forced to abandon the campaign and moved back home bitterly. FL BACKED NOBEL FAMILIES ! Then Emperor/ML (duo) tried to raise taxes on the nobel families to fill-up the treasury, so they can deal with south flooding problem but with FL backing of nobel families and continuous fights with ML it failed. Then the duo tried to reform the imperial examination system and duo forced the reform through the court, Nobel families resisted it and it was not properly applied and hence it failed...again with FL HELP to Nobel families. Now comes the big crimes, ML never liked Shangguan Ya and refused to sleep with her, he was using some sort of medicine which was making him vomit and he was using it to refuse sex with her (remember this point, he knew he never had full sex with her) but nobel families wanted a child of Empress belonging to nobel families. So they can install him on the throne and get rid of the emperor, A) So they invited Shangguan Ya back home on false pretense (Lying to Emperor) and asked Su elder to fuck her, which they did (crime of deceiving the emperor and instigating empress to cheat, infidelity of imperial family member). Both Su and Shangguan families were in on it. B) Then bastard Su child was born by empress and FL+Nobel families forced emperor to make him crown prince (crime of deceiving the emperor and grave crime of installing nobel family member on throne. rebellion). C) Then in order to secure the future of his kid/Crown prince Su elder tried to kill the Qin Zhen Zhen child but ends up killing her (grave crime of rebellion and murder of imperial concubine). D) Now thanks to ML investigation, he found out Su elder killed Qin Zhen Zhen and whole Shangguan Ya cheating on Emperor with Su Elder, he told the emperor and FL during that time firmly opposed her brother and supported Empress Ya and nobel families.
So, let me count it down for you, a) Nobel families always opposed the Emperor and tried to remove him - Intent and planning of Rebellion and disrespect of imperial authority = x2 death penalty for all nobel houses b) Lying to Emperor, crime of deceiving the emperor, instigating empress to cheat, infidelity of imperial family member = x4 death penalty and clan execution for Shanguan and Su families (2 for deceiving the emperor, 1 for instigating and helping her cheat and 1 for her cheating) c)Crime of deceiving the emperor and grave crime of attempt at installing nobel family member on throne/rebellion = 1 death penalties and 1 clan execution for Ya and Su families. d) Attempted assassination of royal prince and assassination of imperial concubine = x2 Death penalties and clan execution for Su family.
So, these 10 valid reasons by ancient chinese law, why Su family deserved to be exterminated and Emperor was only castrating them but they killed themselves in shame and when FL save SQR from death by forcing emperor, it further strained their relationship.
audience of this drama going through a lot of WARCharacter war, Fan war, Gender war, Ideology war now recently…
Same here and I have a lingering feeling, after listening to FL foul mouth tomorrow....War will escalate to whole new level. We will have Bad FL vs innocent ML, innocent ML vs cuck ML, gender war will reignite with Victim FL vs Molester/ rapist ML. I will accept I was part of the problem in beginning but people are just too far gone, lets be honest here FL have stopped giving love stares to SML and her behaviour has improved considerably. I don't like her character but still took the initiative to clear her name by explaining the banquet scene but who knew, they have found new enemy. The drama may be 7.5-8 so far but comment section has been lit 10/10 so far😂😂😂 The funny thing I prepared a dossier of SRQ crimes and was thinking about posting the general comment, but we need peace and we need to hold on for a bit...but I would love for you to check it and find mistakes !
umm people are overreacting way too much. Chill guys this drama is not an original story, it has a source material…
Today you saw a glimpse of SML love for LR in which he threatens her 24/7 and attempts to destroy her career and hurt's her brother and husband, to somehow force her to his bidding and live her life as he dictates, all in name of loving and caring for her. He is doing this and went to extreme limits cuz in his delusional mind, he knows her better than anyone and is doing her favour by controlling and manipulating her like he did in past life. While the hard truth to swallow is, he never loved her in any lifetime, he loves to control and manipulate/hurt her and most importantly he loves the power that comes by controlling elder princess. She doesn't have right to think and live otherwise and if she does it will force him to harm and kill her like he did in previous life, such is his love for LR
So, I am really confused on why you would sympathize with such character? Not only was he wrong in first life, he lamed the wrong party in second life and didn't treat the root of problem. Nobel family's power and tax reform and even at very last moment, FL gave him this option. That he can accept the reform, and everybody will live happily but what did he did?
You better believe if SQR character was played by better actor and seasoned villain like Jeremy Tusai or Liu Xue Yi.
Our sympathies will be far and wide him. I personally believe villain are one of the most important characters in dramas and they make or break the whole thing.
Let's say he had no choice and his snake bit him !
There is no precedent for solution FL give in Chinese history, writer probably ripped that off from Middle- Eastern History cuz it's the way mentioned in Islam to deal with problem like these.
There is no concept of legal or illegal son there and son of first wife, second wife, concubine, infedility partner and even rape victim are all equal in eyes of law and religion. They all inherit equal property and had equal right to become king or inherit title....which is topic for another discussion cuz there is no legal pretense of Caliph title going from father to son.
Proper way of doing it is to reflect new caliph from suitable candidates by voting !
While everybody else though Ml hate her due to boat scandal and divorced her, they worked together to deal with consort ru and nut sack.
Lol that shit was funny cuz Ml went to brothel to attend the banquet hosted by his new ministry, when FL heard it she thought he was there for sex and followed him there....then Hua Li took notice of ML talent and he nearly married consort Ru niece.
This is her biggest fear, and she is generally a hard person to like but she loves ML and is obsessed with him. Now back to major point and in order to end our debate, we first define country and Kingdom,
"an area of land that has its own government and army"
Nobel families had the right to rule and tax their subjects in their own land, as they wish the central government don't collect any taxes and they can't enter their territory and their kingdom had their own army.
This is what you call an Warlord rouge state, classical of Three Kingdom, eight princess rebellion, warring states period and later jin period.
So The Han emperor you are trying to mention is Han Wudi and he was great conqueror, who just like Emperor forced reform through the court and then nobels/ states rebel and then he would launch campaign and utterly devastate them. I am using utter devastate cuz he emptied huge area of Chinese southlands and completely depopulated the area.
He is known for his reforms, which he passed on the tip of sword and sheer brutality!
The point I am trying to make here is no civilization in history of mankind is going to put up with independent kingdoms/nobel families like they had shown in drama.
Just put up with tomorrow's angst and after that, divorce will happen and their romance will improve 10000 times. FL will say calm "Fuck you" to SQR tomorrow and after that, they will become proper husband and wife.
I don't know how much of the source material producers will use from novel but its full of bliss and FL will get jealous and went after ML to catch him red handed in brothel (he was there for official business).
Divorce for them will be what is marriage is for normal people !
I blame LC but at the same time, when I look at the whole picture I also understands that. One party went extreme, and Nobel families forced his hand. They tax and Imperial examination reforms were the chance for them to show their sincerity but they completely against it. I would have blamed LC for a lot stuff but at the same time, after his father death.
They tried to become even more powerful and refuse to reform or give-away anything and that bring about their doom, in essence if you look at it. They owned huge swaths of land, paid no taxes for it, land was completely in their control and they owned their own massive private armies and they were also allied to each other.
This is what you call "Warlords" or independent kingdoms on which no Emperor had any authority, you are thinking LC was wrong but I see a man attempting to conquer the rival kingdoms to bring about the peace and restoration of his country.
Now if Nobel families accepted any reforms like "Tax reform", I would have stood by your opinion but they refused to change or give up anything and went ahead to gain even more power. So, you see a tyrannical ruler but I see a "great conqueror" like Qin, Han, Tang and Ming trying to unify the country under one rule.
Do you know what I genuinely believe novel writer used Chinese "Romance of three Kingdom" period as source material, cuz just like here every Nobel family/aka warlord ruled independently in the name of the Emperor until one went far and killed the man. Then Nobel houses of Liu Bei, Cao Cao and Sun declared their own kingdoms.
That being said, current Emperor is right and crown prince is unfit to rule, so best thing he ever did was making the FL as princess reagent.
But the comment was about SQR crimes and I kinda wrote it to enlist reasons, why his Su family did went far and were rightfully exterminated.
in previous life Emperor/ML led an expedition to the North to conquer it and he wanted to conquer the Northlands cuz he promised his sister (FL) in the past. That he would never allow her to be send as political marriage hostage to that country. For that, he tried to raise taxes on the Nobel families, asked for supplies but they firmly resisted it.
Still ML managed to scrabble enough money and they set off but when they were fighting the enemy, the Nobel family corruption made sure not enough supplies/food reached his army and eventually he was forced to abandon the campaign and moved back home bitterly. FL BACKED NOBEL FAMILIES !
Then Emperor/ML (duo) tried to raise taxes on the nobel families to fill-up the treasury, so they can deal with south flooding problem but with FL backing of nobel families and continuous fights with ML it failed.
Then the duo tried to reform the imperial examination system and duo forced the reform through the court, Nobel families resisted it and it was not properly applied and hence it failed...again with FL HELP to Nobel families.
Now comes the big crimes, ML never liked Shangguan Ya and refused to sleep with her, he was using some sort of medicine which was making him vomit and he was using it to refuse sex with her (remember this point, he knew he never had full sex with her) but nobel families wanted a child of Empress belonging to nobel families. So they can install him on the throne and get rid of the emperor,
A) So they invited Shangguan Ya back home on false pretense (Lying to Emperor) and asked Su elder to fuck her, which they did (crime of deceiving the emperor and instigating empress to cheat, infidelity of imperial family member). Both Su and Shangguan families were in on it.
B) Then bastard Su child was born by empress and FL+Nobel families forced emperor to make him crown prince (crime of deceiving the emperor and grave crime of installing nobel family member on throne. rebellion).
C) Then in order to secure the future of his kid/Crown prince Su elder tried to kill the Qin Zhen Zhen child but ends up killing her (grave crime of rebellion and murder of imperial concubine).
D) Now thanks to ML investigation, he found out Su elder killed Qin Zhen Zhen and whole Shangguan Ya cheating on Emperor with Su Elder, he told the emperor and FL during that time firmly opposed her brother and supported Empress Ya and nobel families.
So, let me count it down for you,
a) Nobel families always opposed the Emperor and tried to remove him - Intent and planning of Rebellion and disrespect of imperial authority = x2 death penalty for all nobel houses
b) Lying to Emperor, crime of deceiving the emperor, instigating empress to cheat, infidelity of imperial family member = x4 death penalty and clan execution for Shanguan and Su families (2 for deceiving the emperor, 1 for instigating and helping her cheat and 1 for her cheating)
c)Crime of deceiving the emperor and grave crime of attempt at installing nobel family member on throne/rebellion = 1 death penalties and 1 clan execution for Ya and Su families.
d) Attempted assassination of royal prince and assassination of imperial concubine = x2 Death penalties and clan execution for Su family.
So, these 10 valid reasons by ancient chinese law, why Su family deserved to be exterminated and Emperor was only castrating them but they killed themselves in shame and when FL save SQR from death by forcing emperor, it further strained their relationship.
I will accept I was part of the problem in beginning but people are just too far gone, lets be honest here FL have stopped giving love stares to SML and her behaviour has improved considerably.
I don't like her character but still took the initiative to clear her name by explaining the banquet scene but who knew, they have found new enemy. The drama may be 7.5-8 so far but comment section has been lit 10/10 so far😂😂😂
The funny thing I prepared a dossier of SRQ crimes and was thinking about posting the general comment, but we need peace and we need to hold on for a bit...but I would love for you to check it and find mistakes !
She doesn't have right to think and live otherwise and if she does it will force him to harm and kill her like he did in previous life, such is his love for LR
So, I am really confused on why you would sympathize with such character?
Not only was he wrong in first life, he lamed the wrong party in second life and didn't treat the root of problem. Nobel family's power and tax reform and even at very last moment, FL gave him this option. That he can accept the reform, and everybody will live happily but what did he did?