I'm still at the beginning but I've gotten so used to strong, well-written FLs in Cdramas that I'm hoping/wondering if the FL continues to just be cute and sickly? And does she enter the plot merely as motivation for the ML?
Ahh I completely disagree. This is one of the best family dramas out there.
I started using the spoiler feature as I don't want to annoy people trying to scroll past our convo. 😅
Interesting, I've never heard evolution cited as the reason for these (what I would consider to be largely cultural) stereotypes of men and women.
I personally tend to hold psychology and anthropology loosely, as they're called soft sciences for a reason and change their theories about humans and how they work every few decades, and they are fairly new-ish disciplines/ways of seeing the world (I mean, Freud's ideas, for instance, at one time considered progressive and cutting edge as a way of thinking about humans, are considered completely obsolete today... 😬). I don't think they're useless or baseless, I just don't think they're 100% reliable for making judgments about humans, because, well, they might revamp their theories again in 2050 😋. And evolution, as a historical phenomenon is not "measurable" in a way that truly represents science and it's principles (the scientific method is all about gathering and testing data--how can you "test" something that already happened in the past? 🤔) so even that I see as more philosophical extrapolation or a compelling theory than anything really "scientific" in the sense of the word as it's used today.
At this point, I imagine we will continue to talk past each other because you probably now think I'm a crazy person, haha.
I'm on episode 7, and Fan Si Zhe is such an adorable dweeb. 😅 He's growing on me, and on top of that, the way Fan Xian showed his dad how much Si Zhe adored him (and helped his dad to see his giftings) was kind of precious. 🥰
She tried and succeeded to kill their unborn child. He watched her do this. Who wouldn’t try to save the child…
I don't think it's an easy decision no matter what (and I agree that someone else shouldn't be able to make that choice unless the mother is on board, too), but having to choose between two human beings is not easy, even if you can "justify" that one is more worth saving than another simply because they are a full-fledged adult who can make a case for themselves and a contributing member of society (while the other has no voice).
And I wonder if it's a slippery slope to say choosing the baby over the mother is more selfish--they're both humans? If you think either is less "worth saving," you run into problems. Because by that argument what if you had to choose to save a person without disabilities or a person with severe disabilities (with Downs Syndrome or something of that kind)? Would we be quick to pick one over the other for similar reasons to the baby? Because, like babies, they don't have a voice and are a "burden" to society, and technically both are also a pretty significant drain on their parents' energy, autonomy, and resources...
That said, some men/families historically have seen women like baby vending machines, and if they're choosing the baby over the mother for reasons of that kind or only see the mother as the "bearer of their child" and not valuable outside that, that's disgusting. THAT is certainly selfish and isn't valuing human life at all. The baby isn't being valued as a human then, either, just a bearer of their bloodline or something, which gives me the heeby jeebies. That's probably the same sort of person who would be devastated and stop caring if the baby was a girl...
She tried and succeeded to kill their unborn child. He watched her do this. Who wouldn’t try to save the child…
So, do you mean a literal, unborn baby isn't valuable until it's outside the womb instead of inside it (since I think we'd both agree that killing a BORN baby is not socially acceptable...)? 🤔 Help me understand that logic.
Does this drama cater to the 'too woke' section of people?
It sounds like it's a typical Netflix Kdrama (not a Kdrama aired on a Korean network which is then aired on Netflix simultaenously or in retrospect, but original to Netflix). Some people seem to love it as it is "dark" and "mature," and others seem to prefer the more traditional Kdrama, which this is not.
Well apparently everyone wasn't focusing on her as you can see they were all pushing each other so who ever pushed…
Oh yes, I've told myself all the reasons it can make sense, but I feel like I have to do mental gymnastics to "make it work" without it feeling utterly silly. 😅
I do kind of wish the falling scenario was laid out a bit differently because it's a little ridiculous how it played out... how could she get pushed without anyone seeing? How could she SURVIVE that fall? And why was it so difficult to find her (it's not like she could have gone far; there was a big slab of rock, and she was, duh, at the bottom of it)? 😅 The actors are killing it, so, of course, they sold it, but still...
I know, I know, I need to leave my brain behind for these moments, but could they REALLY not think up a better way of doing this to feel just a tad bit more realistic? 🤦♀️
I am enjoying it, but please, writers, don't insult our intelligence quite this much next time! 😂
can you give me some recommendations for dramas with a similar vibe? you know, those binge-worthy romcoms with…
True Beauty (though you said you didn't like that one, right? They feel the most similar to me because these (TB and LR) dramas have the same writer/webtoon adapter), Extraordinary You (has more of an open-ish ending, though), Cheer Up! (2015)/Sassy Go Go, My Sweet Mobster, I'm Not A Robot, Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo, Oh My Venus (lighthearted minus a brief, weird heavy part near the end), Shooting Stars, Go Back Couple (has some more somber parts mixed in with the comedy), Fated To Love You (dated, but charming), My ID Is Gangnam Beauty, Hometown Cha Cha Cha, Strong Woman Do Bong Soon (a classic), Ho Goo's Love, and Fight For My Way, Goong (again, dated and in some parts has NOT aged well, but somehow I loved it), and of course the toxic, lovable classic, Boys Over Flowers (I liked the Thai version best, but the Korean version has a special place in my heart).
Here are some of the rom-coms that come to mind, and some are actually a bit of slice of life or coming-of-age as well!
Two modern Cdramas that were also cozy that I saw were Hidden Love (even better chemistry than the leads in this drama) and When I Fly Towards You (very breezy and sweet with very little angst or conflict or drama but has a bit of that nostalgic quality that LR has). If you want even more of the nostalgic mood, then I'd suggest Reply 1988. Nothing like it for leaving you with the biggest ache ever (but also VERY cozy while you ache; you feel like you grow up with the characters so when it ends you feel like you're saying goodbye to YOUR childhood). 🤧😭
So then why was she able to speak when she was anxious and upset in the police car? When she can and can't speak…
But if she wanted to, and could, then isn't she able to speak? We seem to be splitting hhairs, and I'm getting mixed messages. Some seem to say her "selective mutism" is an actual condition (I would assume in that case it would be psychosomatic?), and others, like you here, claim that she isn't mute and is just pretending the whole time for the sake of survival and now it's become a habit. Maybe her "condition" is just makjang-drama reasoning and in that case I won't ask more questions. 😅 I'll just enjoy the ride! 😏
Interesting, I've never heard evolution cited as the reason for these (what I would consider to be largely cultural) stereotypes of men and women.
I personally tend to hold psychology and anthropology loosely, as they're called soft sciences for a reason and change their theories about humans and how they work every few decades, and they are fairly new-ish disciplines/ways of seeing the world (I mean, Freud's ideas, for instance, at one time considered progressive and cutting edge as a way of thinking about humans, are considered completely obsolete today... 😬). I don't think they're useless or baseless, I just don't think they're 100% reliable for making judgments about humans, because, well, they might revamp their theories again in 2050 😋. And evolution, as a historical phenomenon is not "measurable" in a way that truly represents science and it's principles (the scientific method is all about gathering and testing data--how can you "test" something that already happened in the past? 🤔) so even that I see as more philosophical extrapolation or a compelling theory than anything really "scientific" in the sense of the word as it's used today.
At this point, I imagine we will continue to talk past each other because you probably now think I'm a crazy person, haha.
I known it's easier to attack a person because they associate with a group than to engage their argument, so I hope that's not why you asked.
And to answer your question, I don't associate with a "group." 😉
And I wonder if it's a slippery slope to say choosing the baby over the mother is more selfish--they're both humans? If you think either is less "worth saving," you run into problems. Because by that argument what if you had to choose to save a person without disabilities or a person with severe disabilities (with Downs Syndrome or something of that kind)? Would we be quick to pick one over the other for similar reasons to the baby? Because, like babies, they don't have a voice and are a "burden" to society, and technically both are also a pretty significant drain on their parents' energy, autonomy, and resources...
That said, some men/families historically have seen women like baby vending machines, and if they're choosing the baby over the mother for reasons of that kind or only see the mother as the "bearer of their child" and not valuable outside that, that's disgusting. THAT is certainly selfish and isn't valuing human life at all. The baby isn't being valued as a human then, either, just a bearer of their bloodline or something, which gives me the heeby jeebies. That's probably the same sort of person who would be devastated and stop caring if the baby was a girl...
I know, I know, I need to leave my brain behind for these moments, but could they REALLY not think up a better way of doing this to feel just a tad bit more realistic? 🤦♀️
I am enjoying it, but please, writers, don't insult our intelligence quite this much next time! 😂
This is still one of my favorite scenes of all time between romantic leads in a Kdrama (from the first season of Dr. Romantic):
https://youtu.be/ZcDtYYP316o?si=zoioSXJFoNYHuImT
Here are some of the rom-coms that come to mind, and some are actually a bit of slice of life or coming-of-age as well!
Two modern Cdramas that were also cozy that I saw were Hidden Love (even better chemistry than the leads in this drama) and When I Fly Towards You (very breezy and sweet with very little angst or conflict or drama but has a bit of that nostalgic quality that LR has). If you want even more of the nostalgic mood, then I'd suggest Reply 1988. Nothing like it for leaving you with the biggest ache ever (but also VERY cozy while you ache; you feel like you grow up with the characters so when it ends you feel like you're saying goodbye to YOUR childhood). 🤧😭