Eleison

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Okay, yeah, I don't see that info on the app. Whoops! My bad.

I've found more underrated dramas have much pleasanter threads. "My Double " for instance; love the vibe on that thread!

There is one person in particular (but sometimes there are more than just him), who likes to point out that MOST Kdrama MLs are virgins (and that this is stupid and unrealistic to most real men who exist in real life and that makes shows like this garbage (he doesn't use the word garbage, haha)), and the FLs are not always virgins or have a dating history and so it creates this double standard, and whenever a Kdrama comes out that seems to be another instance of this trend (which is also largely just, um, a Kdrama), he posts about it frequently. This person has failed to realize that MLs inexperienced in love is true of MOST Kdramas, and especially rom-coms (FLs are also often inexperienced in love), but still feels it's necessary to point out the ML's supposed virginity and take issue with it. Not sure what he thinks he's accomplishing, but maybe he just wants to annoy people, and if that's his goal, he's succeeding. 😑

Where are you seeing 38,000 ratings? Maybe the app's infrastructure doesn't allow me to see it (some things that show up on a browser don't show up on the app). I was under the impression that to be deemed a "watcher" you have to rate it, but I guess you could just designate your status as "currently watching" without rating it. So, I think I got that wrong. 😂

Regardless, I think we can agree a lot of people rated it, and the second point I made still stands. 😉

Yes, while old Kdramas have a definite cozy quality to them, there are some things I appreciate about newer dramas, like less toxic relationships and jerk MLs.

I usually prefer the ones Netflix gets the rights to and then airs on its platform, not as much the original dramas Netflix produces on its own.

And yes, I've noticed that! Cdramas do seem to be sticking the landings more than Kdramas these days. Not sure why! I mean, censorship is still strong with Cdramas, and maybe it's getting weaker with Kdramas as creators and consumers start taking on more Western entertainment tastes. I know people complain about the pitfalls of censorship and think it's awful and draconian, but I actually think it forces people to be more creative when they can't show whatever they want on screen. When they have to work within parameters, it often forces them to create more compelling content because they have to be so intentional and without resorting to cheap shock tactics or lewd comedic spectacle. I could be wrong, but that's one of my theories. :)

Have you seen Downton Abbey? Literally the reason that show (the 1st Season is the best) is compelling is because the two main leads don't sleep together until the end of Season 1 (when they get married). After that, it gets less interesting. All the interest came from the sexual tension and build-up that came from the characters' values of choosing not to have sex right after they "fell in love." Again, the characters having to work within boundaries made for an interesting story.

I think they mean it is a kind of "soft porn" (I assume) not due to the skinship element but because the idea of a virgin ML can indulge a woman's "fantasy" about what a man in a relationship is like and reinforces a "myth" (the "myth" that "you can find men to date and marry who are still virgins") in the same way that porn gives men a fantasy of what women can give them in sex. I get why someone might venture the comparison, but it's still just not on the same level (for a variety of reasons) and does not need to be repeated AD NAUSEUM.

And it's remains the average of even more voters than you mentioned--it's almost 70,000 now!

But they also claim they are the same people making thousands of fake accounts giving it 10s. 🫢 Guys, I don't think even the biggest fangirls are THAT invested. How do you even keep track of thousands of passwords?

True, true. That's why I'm selective with Netflix dramas. I don't fully trust their Kdrama storytelling instincts and direction, so I do my research before giving one a shot.

Haha, I use the app, so my block attempts don't work. I still see their posts; I never use my laptop for MDL, so I can't be spared. 😭🤮🤢

I actually think I'm going to lose my mind it drives me so nuts. I'm speaking in hyperbole, but a few people on here just hop from thread to thread and post the same dense garbage over and over and over again. 🤯 I think they believe they will single-handedly change everyone's minds and get them to believe that Kdramas with virgin MLs are all trash (or, to quote one, "soft porn"); or they just take a morbid delight in getting everyone riled up and angry.

I really wish they would start a blog and stop annoying people who just want to enjoy dialoguing about, say, "a horse race" without constantly coming across someone "beating a dead horse" in the process! PLEASE. Pretty please?

Haha, nope, not alone. If I wanted to watch a show that was basically a Western TV show, I would have. I wanted a Kdrama and got a Western TV show with Korean actors instead. I actually am grateful for Korean censorship, it allows for the kind of content I want to see. I don't want to hear obscenities, bawdy innuendos right and left and watch people getting demolished on screen. Pass!

Yes, I LOVED how they portrayed his leadership. He always tried to find the 3rd solution no one thought was an option or maybe didn't even think of!

Agreed!

I know, it was a great drama! Very idealistic, but goodhearted and the kind of idealism I find inspiring rather than fantastical. 😂

I won't be watching D.P. 2 (didn't care for the original D.P.; too gory and crass (or in other words, too "Netflix" 😂)) but I would like to see Jin Hee in another drama. :)

Well, for English speakers, this kind of lisp (with the "s" being pronounced as a "th") usually crops up as a kind of speech impediment and people can sometimes be trained out of it with tongue (myofunctional) therapy. But from what I've seen in historical Kdramas, it's "put on" for a role only, and not the way a actor actually speaks, usually. For instance, the same actors with the lisp in the sageuk won't have that lisp in a modern drama.

Hmmm... I'm not sure what you mean by those that speak with a nassaly sound... ? Can you give an example? 😂

Interesting! Is "boquisopa" Spanish?

That's at least what it sounds like to me, where they don't pronounce "s" properly, with more of a "th" than an "s" sound. Kind of like the difference between the Mexican Spanish "Gracias" (aka pronounced with a hard "s" like Grasias) and some regions of Spain Spanish say it more like "Grathias" with a soft "s."

In Kdramas, at least, it seems to be an affectation the noble/royal women use in historical dramas to sound refined, but it always drives me nuts. 😂 It's super distracting to listen to and is like fingers scratching a chalkboard for me, especially paired with the slow, methodical speech noble/royal women will also use in sageuks. The pairing is 🤯 ... not my cup of tea.

Does the FL (mother/wife) have a lisp in this drama? She had a maddeningly distracting one in Hwarang and I'm hoping it was just the common "royal lady" lisp (not sure what else to call it 😂), that shows up amongst the women of the nobility and royalty in sageuks.

I became Ji Jin Hee's fan (his name sounds like a female Korean name to me 😂) after watching Designated Survivor: 60 Days. Loved him and Son Suk Ku in that drama! They were both my favorite characters to watch and root for.

This is very off-putting, for sure, and the other extreme is just as terrible: parents who let their kids do whatever they want and give them whatever they want. Ends up creating people who can't cope with life and are always victims. 😂

I feel that way, too! The writing is stellar, it's well-acted, etc., but I don't think it quite hit home with everyone, unfortunately. 😔

I felt like it was cohesive and I still enjoyed Season 2. It does have a different vibe from Season 1, but I thought it was fun to see the original Nak Su actress have her moment (she's adorable in her role--did you know the original Nak Su actress voiced all of Mu Deok's thoughts in Season 1? That blew our minds when we found that out!), even though she's quite different than Mu Deok in a lot of ways. She's still smart and clever, but solves issues differently because she has no memories of her past. I think of her as what Nak Su would have been if she'd never become a hardened assassin.

I think many people didn't like it because they had VERY specific expectations for what they wanted Season 2 to be. I didn't, beyond a happy ending, and they delivered on that front. There is less fantasy action/fighting and such, which I think people missed, and people didn't like how "different" Nak Su felt in this season. But to me, she still held continuity with Mu Deok in many ways.

So, I think both seasons had sloppy elements and plot holes, and Season 2 in my opinion didn't have any more of them than Season 1, Season 2 just landed poorly with many fans because by Season 2 they had expectations they wanted met.

Season 2 has a much heavier romantic component, is more angsty, and the leads have less of that camaraderie dynamic (Jang UK becomes much more broody and intense, and Nak Su becomes a ray of hope and sunshine--so they essentially switch roles from Season 1 to Season 2; also, Mu Deok protects and empowers Jang UK in Season 1; in Season 2, these roles reverse as well). I thought they still had excellent chemistry, though.

My main gripe was they prolonged the amnesia plot point a bit longer than I would have liked (and some side characters feel less crucial to the plot than in Season 1), but I thought the ending was great and delivered quite well.

I get why people were disappointed, but I still enjoyed it just about as much (I even think I liked Nak Su in Season 2 better; she was so cute and lovable).