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Recommends for Kelvin are more like Moonjo from “Strangers From Hell” at this point, not these 💀💀🤣

yeah so just heads up for everyone that this is not a “match each other’s freak” or “I secretly enjoyed all that” kinda story and sadly there’s no wow characters who would surprise you by many different sides. one is just plain flat bad and disgusting with no other angles and the other is just broken and exhausted at the end

Veir says at the end of the novel that he doesn’t love him, he says he’s tired and stays with him bc Kelvin says he “loves” him 💀 and that’s right after he finds out that Kelvin orchestrated Veir being gangraped

and do not read, if you haven’t read, it’s a very stupid badly written novel, I kinda hoped they would improve it

RIP the hair then 💀and if they end up together in the exact same way as in the novel, there won’t be any need to rip, your hair will fall out naturally after watching it happen 🤣

Veir admits to himself that he doesn’t love Kelvin, finds out about Kelvin giving him for his brother to r*pe, thinks that it’s impossible to be that cruel, but is so exhausted that he gives himself an option to stay with him or the other guy depends on who “loves” him more. He asks Kelvin if he loves him more than the other guy and Kelvin says “ShengSheng (aka Veir) the person I adore and cherish the most in my life is you. If only I could love you for eternity, how wonderful that would be? Eternity is not enough actually, I need three.” But unlike when Hua Yong says it with his Sheng it doesn’t work there bc he watched his man being r*ped by his own brother and other things.

Veir describes Kelvin as quote “I knew his predatory nature would stop at nothing to keep his loved one by his side. And he loved me way too much. In my head I kept hearing his voice repeating my name. Fine then. He’s gonna be mine. All his schemes are gonna be mine. His love is gonna be mine. He’s all mine.”

At the end it left me with the feeling of uglyass depression but the author I think desperately tried to push it into romantic direction but it didn’t click like at all lol it’s one of the too weirdass endings I’ve read in all billions of c-novels 🌚

lol true about plot holes, but to me it was always like.. I can forgive and close my eyes on all kind of holes (🤣) if the characters and relationships make sense and are interesting, but after FP mentioning happy ending I just think how much of a disaster it’s gonna be, I at the very beginning thought they will change the novel in a way so their pairing would make sense and enter the toxic fiery elite, but as the show goes on, it’s clear that it’s impossible at this point sadly, which is sad bc with their chemistry they could’ve easily enter that league on the peak of that type of pseudo romance, but writing can’t give them that

if they follow the book ending with Kelvin and Veir, you’re gonna be even more frustrated, bc that forgiveness definitely didn’t make sense there at all. I didn’t see one single point of him staying with him after everything. with SSY & HY, SSY’s forgiveness made sense due to background, his parents situation and the fact that secretly HY gave him what he needed and their relationships are multi-sided on many aspects due to characters not being black and white, but here if it ends the way the book ends it’s just gonna be just plain illogical, just bc as you said he’s “just evil” with a emphasis on just. Again I would reconsider if they change the ending but I don’t see it happening, so judging from your comment about abo and to my shore not making sense, this is gonna be twice as worse for you

in general for these “forgiveness” to work characters must emotionally and characteristically match for it to make sense, like Than is just a bit of a masochist and just purely worships Pheem being a manipulative ass or Sheng just wanting to feel weak for once in his life and be protected

and also I disagree actually about soundtracks and vibes, from the beginning I thought that credits are incredibly cheerful plus a lot of situations like with the ‘wanted’ poster in the restaurant were played out at first as comedy vibes, it changed after ep3 only I think, but it again just proves how different the perception is for everyone, which is what makes discussions fun

and that’s why I said that “if that was the creators goal, then it’s okay and they succeeded”.

but even when the character is fully irredeemable and just pure bad like Xue Yang for example, it can still be executed and portrayed in a way that can make ppl discuss it for ages and make it kinda iconic and I’m just saying that I don’t see it happening here. and for that I blame writing and execution bc something is lacking here. but it’s okay if you disagree

p.s. tho I still think the goal was to ride on the wave of the controversial characters ppl love these days, after all this specific bunch of Chinese novels (simple language, short toxic little characterisation ones) will be a hit or miss depends on how you choose to deliver it. again tho if the goal was to make him simple bad with zero emotional impact except for one straight line of flat bad, it’s also a-okay

LOL what? have you read what I’ve written? the whole point is to write it in a way that you’re confused why you’re conflicted by immorality of it all, no one watches toxic dark shit for “good to triumph”, idk where you got that. I’m saying that there’s no emotional duality of what you usually feel while watching such characters, like with Fan Xiao, Vegas, Pheem etc. here you just feel one thing. again as I said in my original comment if that was the goal of the writers, they succeeded. But I’m pretty sure their goal was to follow up the popularity of toxic characters who bring up controversial arguments between ppl and twist the morals making you wonder “why oh why I feel like this”.

The whole point is to dislike these characters in many aspects but at the same time feel like there’s more to it than just simple moral boundaries and just simple “evil”, that’s what makes it so intriguing. That’s why the ability to write it in a way that will make ppl invested in such stories is very fine art as you say.

And yes, that’s exactly why I put “happy ending” in quotes, but with this writing even this they won’t be able to sell, it just doesn’t fit with this interpretation, yet I doubt that they’re gonna end it differently.

You say what makes him different is that “he’s selfish, driven by revenge, keen on gaining power and willing to hurt his man in the process”, but that’s the description that fits way too much toxics in TV series, I mean, Pheem even shot Than trying complete this revenge. But due to the way they showed his story it made people feel that specific feeling of “that’s horrific, but I can’t fully hate him”.

I get that you’re trying to make it deeper than it is by saying it’s “not romance, but the tragedy”, but I’m 99% sure they will follow the books “happy ending” of I quote “he’s mine to love, his craziness is mine, even his traps and schemes are all mine, his love is mine” which is just not it, the writing at this point just won’t be able to pull this off out of what they’ve done. It’s just emotionally impossible. And I’m almost fully sure they’re NOT trying to sell it as a deep tragedy and realistic psychological thriller, it also doesn’t work in that direction. Same as schemes do not have the same thrill effect as in much more well executed in this aspect shows. And even if you write a full on tragedy in this aspect of dark “love” (which you can’t fully call love ofc), you still gotta make ppl feel the internal conflict, like with Xue Yang for example. But this one just isn’t here. Cause you only feel one side. Aka “someone maybe shoot him” lol

So my point was that it’s not working in both aspects, nor in serious dark (bc it’s not that clearly and can’t pull it off and I’m pretty sure won’t), nor in the dark romance which ppl are so into these days. But again that’s to me. I think it’s the reason why it didn’t bomb. But again to each their own, you say you find it thrilling, proves again that it’s different for everyone.

I’m just wondering what the hell was happening in the creators’ minds. This is clearly not the serious kind of show where they examine the mental illness, realistic consequences etc, it was clearly supposed to be that one that you “wanna ship despite it being toxic”, but the problem is that they’ve failed completely in that department bc it’s written in a way where I can’t imagine anyone being into this pairing. And yes, in the novel they do end up together (even tho the characters aren’t same as these ones).

It’s definitely not the HuaSheng, ThanPheem situations which are as the story goes surprisingly easy to accept due to the storyflow and characterisation and somehow at the end it seems like it’s just pure love in between. And even with Fan Xiao/ShuLang Vegas/Pete even tho it’s not for me and too much, the way the story and characters are written I could at least see why it works as ships for some ppl. But here it’s just.. sorry, but no effing way lmao they cannot be serious about thinking that many would jump on that. 1st it’s just not the type of toxic that ppl can consider hot (but they try to sell it as such), 2nd the writing and execution of storytelling is so bad that it’s just… bad. Like sorry, I’m bad at explaining, but it’s like giving “disgusting I rolled in dirt feeling”, not the emotional rollercoaster you’d want from toxic stories (whether it’s serious toxic or unserious toxic), it just doesn’t work in any department imo.

Tho if the main goal of the series was to make us want Kelvin to die without having any deep controversial feelings about his character, just simply wanting him to die, then it worked. Otherwise idk what’s the goal of this creation. Imo the whole point of good written toxic series/pairing is to make you feel conflicted in every way possible, touch all the strings of your heart and break your sane brain in a good way and in this case it’s just not it.

Kelvin imo was supposed to be that kind of character that you’re not supposed to root for, yet for unknown reason are rooting. That’s the best part of watching toxic characters. Where your logical brain becomes illogical. And here something went wrong in that department. He’s not that. It’s just the bunch Hua Yong, Pheem, Vegas are so charismatic and the way they’re written and executed you illogically are on a bad side and with Kelvin I don’t feel that (again if that was the purpose then good job, but I truly think the creators wanted him to join the group above yet it didn’t work). And obviously sadly he’s is not gonna die and the ending I assume is gonna be same as novel and just thinking about after watching these episodes makes me just wanna say.. what a strangeass writing, I just can’t imagine who’s gonna be happy for this pairing or even remotely moved by their story. It would feel like you just sat in a garbage. Although they say there is something for anyone out there. Pls reply if you ship them. I wanna know how lolz

My verdict is it’s a strangely written and made show. And not good kind of strange for me.

Also the timeline thing is a dumb decision, not bc it’s hard to follow, it’s very easy actually, but just bc…. Why lol? It’s doesn’t make the show more interesting, it just makes you not be able to fully feel everything you need, bc you gotta emotionally jump into different places every 10 minutes. I get that attention span is short lately and most ppl need everything to change constantly, but to me that’s just diabolical decision. I’m confused at who thought it was a genius idea lol I assume they probably really thought it’s creative idk

Also novel itself was bad and I thought they would improve it, but they managed to make it worse, which I didn’t think was possible and it’s a bit funny.

Btw I in no way demeaning FP, I think their chemistry is fire and acting is good, but I really think they did them dirty with the writing and the execution. They could’ve easily written this in a way to make a new toxic pairing bomb since those are a clear fad esp lately with the rise of dark romance. But I honestly don’t think Kelvin can become an icon and fall into the line of iconic toxics. It’s just not working, sorry. Don’t throw tomatoes at me lol

Hmmm… ghosts but human is in charge of murders and the main character wrongly accused threw me back into GBYFD just because it’s my latest obsession that I can’t get over yet, it’s where my head is rn lol. Bodyguard trope and Daou’s character supposedly being a protective puppy, while Offroad’s being sneakyass reminds me ThanPheem who I also adore tho the series was hilarious at times, but that’s my fav dynamics they’ve played actually. Throw this in a historical setting with a great cast and plot (hopefully) looks like fun. And I don’t mind not fully focused on romance part if it’s true, sometimes depends on the writing and acting supposedly not focused on romance turned out to be even more romantic than some fully focused on romance series in which I sometimes somehow couldn’t care less for the relationships. The concept looks interesting at least.

I didn’t get who was described as “dirty-minded” out of 2 characters description, but I’ll assume it’s Kanfah 🤣

ironically what Yu Jiang (Kelvin) did to ShengSheng (Veir) sadly reminds me of what Sky’s ex did to him and for what Prapai castrated and k*led him lol

I have a lot of toxics I adore and I don’t mind the dark romance genre in any form, but I’ve notice that personally I’m only enjoying watching when the crazy one or the yandere is the “protective” kind (putting it in quotes for a reason haha). So some things I just cannot look past and giving up your “loved” one to be gang-raped is absolutely 1000% not my type of shit 💀 somehow I can easily survive non-consent when it’s to say in a bubble like with Hua Yong, but if Hua Yong let his precious Sheng to be violated by a group of people, I would instantly be like “nah that’s not for me, I’m exiting”.

So as much as I appreciate something new and challenging to portray, I admit that its not my kind of characters to follow. That novel is very badly written it true, so I’ll watch next few episodes maybe to see how they will change stuff since clearly it’s not the same (if they change how he got the scar I might consider lol), but I also gotta say that I’m not a big fan of the atmosphere here, performances are great and all, but the atmosphere is not giving. I’d rather it maybe created a darker one by the good soundtrack and different direction, but I’m not sure it’s giving the vibes it’s supposed to give for those who would go for this specific genre. But maybe it’s only two episodes and it will change, but so far the cheerfulness of the ost and the in general lighter vibes directions are throwing me off a bit.

That’s the problem, they actually do not progress as you say. My point is that they’re not trying to change and not investing money in BLs. NLMG didn’t get enough money not bc back then GMM wasn’t as popular and P’Jojo wouldn’t let out many sponsorships into the series, he dies f like product placement. Look at My Golden Blood (BL) and compare its special effects to Midnight Museum (non BL). It’s day and night. They simply do not want to give it bc why bother, if you can instead get 3 of your popular pairings just acting on school campus most of the time. None of their BLs will ever get huge budget, not gonna be any high quality action or good quality of supernatural. And not because they cannot do it. They can, just not for BLs.


And once again they’re no longer the same company as they were. They never were and ever in the past established themselves as a romcom company. It’s their latest invention. But I do agree with you thar now it’s the part of their personality sadly. But again smart from the money standpoint. It’s a choice to become that and not the “we always were like that”.

If you’re thinking GMMTV then no (thank god lol), but both One31 and GMMTV are owned by GMM Grammy conglomerate same as most of the Thai entertainment industry

but he’s already doing too much, other characters on his background look useless, you gotta give them something too, at least one piece for 4 ppl lol

and Thup here became more complex thinking than he is in the novel and I really love how he’s also a historical encyclopaedia, which is very hot for me personally, he reminded me of Wu Xie when he starts talking 😌

and also Thup in the novel most of his actions/guesses are accidental, same as him mostly unintentionally at the beginning getting what he wants and affecting Singha bc he’s a cute puppy. here he uses it all intentional and with a purpose which is omg 10 times hotter and interesting lmao (but that’s again my opinion). here he’s running more on smarts than accidents at least so far

also this talk just reminded me like… remember how in Harry Potter fans were mad that everything that Ron and Harry came up with in the movies were given to Hermione, even tho all their guesses was split equally in the books and it made Ron basically useless for most of movies, here it’s the opposite, as in most characters in the novel were not very useful to investigation, I think it’s actually smart to give them at least a small bit, so I’m not really mad about that part tbh bc in the novel I didn’t care for most other ppl there lol

it’s okay to think they’re doing the best the can, I don’t mind. I know all the process of working of Thai companies, GMM the most tho, even spent way too much time in the Asoke legendary building itself and the editing teams. That’s what I said, but they didn’t use what the professional writer wrote for THK tho at the end. Yes, JittiRain’s novels are always there each year, that’s why I said they do not change their circle.

I know many say this about GMM fans being young audience but imo it’s an old take already since they’re owning 80% of the BL/GL Thai market now and might eat more. It’s just their laziness and greediness mostly, bc why produce anything high quality if you can’t produce 10 low quality and fans of the pairings still give you money.

Again they do produce darker themed show once in a hundred years. But NLMG can never get a budget, just like I’m 100% sure that next year Offgun dark show won’t get any Kinnporsche budget either. That is again bc they do too much too fast and no, there’s no such thing as someone saying them that they need to make 100 shows or the deal is off. It’s just their choice. There are plenty stuff to show on Thai TV. There were times we lived on reruns even. It’s normal, since as you say yourself you can never guess what production troubles you’ll meet with this unpredictable industry.

But then again, they do not need to change, ppl will eat this anyways, so it’s all art strategy. I’m actually shocked it’s working considering how far some other companies go to create something original and new and high quality, but ppl always run to GMM’s cheap high school dramas first. So they must be doing everything right. But last year they lost me. Which no one cares ofc lol it’s just whiny me. I wish them all the luck and all the 1500 actors to have food on the table and all future 560 CPs to survive on fans buying the merch lol

I actually also wanted to argue with that since I’ve read it fully. All the action and help starts later there. Here though Thup already did more than in the novel by that point. He’s the only one who gave them most of the important clues, that even dudes from the precinct said Singha’s consultant is the coolest.

And also my fav change is that not only he’s helping, he also got time for scheming how to get Singha all for himself and triggers King on purpose which is hilarious and Thup from the novel didn’t do all that. All in all man is the most productive and multitasking there lol

And I love his attitude of “I will not let anyone kill me, bc my P’Singha has had enough trauma” he’s just.. something else here in a greatest way. Actually both characters are 100 times more interesting than in the book. But I’m ranting already lol

These are actually very rare for such a huge company that ate all. I’m talking about their BLs. Stuff like NLMG, GB, when the novel is written for the show rarely happens. Heart Killers novel that was written before the show has nothing to do with the show, replaced by westernized ripoffs. Most of their shows lately are either remakes of Japan & Korea existing shows, or the novels of same authors that they made a deal with like peachhplease, which are for a very young audience content in terms of plot. They have such problems with ideas that they actually later made a contest for fans to write the scripts, if you haven’t seen it. And the reward is just that they’re gonna use your idea for free. The problem is their desire to make shows for all of their 50 CPs without quality writing just for the sake of making 50 shows with 50 CPs. It’s always quantity over quality. They don’t want to buy any new good quality authors and they can’t write themselves to the point that they want the fans to write for them for free.

And if it happens once in a lifetime the budget is horrendously law. I have not once in all these years seen anything with a budget of Khemjira, Pitbabe, Kinnporsche, Century of Love, etc in GMM BLs. I’m saying it as a GMM ex-fan, who has been with them for 8 years since Offgun’s Puppy Honey. Their future year line up is embarrassing. I’m glad most of their CPs got themselves a job, but at what cost. Ofc it’s alright since shows like We Are & P10L are the most popular ones and ppl love this. But imo it’s lame af. Some of these 10 shows next year could be replaced by one high quality one, but ofc no one will do it otherwise some CP will stuck the conveyer belt lol

Sorry for the rant, it’s my GMM pain.

!!!!! omfg our brains aligned, I swear I remembered these two while reading it too lmao also bc Qingqui’s reaction is same he’s like “pls don’t cry, let’s just go and try again, just pls don’t cry” 😂 only he’s not as lucky as Singha, his young enthusiastic virgin was real bad at the beginning lol