on ep 7, and why is Ongsa so clueless and innocent? bless his soft soft heart. like why isn't he taking all these…
I saw someone saying when your loved one and a person you literally grew up with never gave you a reason to doubt him or never wronged you, you will hardly catch these hints, heartbreaking but so true.
This one was unique and two story in one was actually a genius idea but am I the only one who keeps getting triggered by the weak morals? Like multiple things were wrong and huge red flag (most of such never actually got solved, I think an apology for a huge mistake is not too much to ask?) I liked the overall story and it’s (kinda) dark vibes but also acting in some parts kept reminding me of how young the actors actually are cause these deep plots tend to need maturity and experience which they didn’t have (not their fault they were good enough considering their age) Perhaps I’m not into romances of such kind that’s why I couldn’t fully enjoy it.
you're absolutely right with every word you said. This is not naive this is maturity and cultural awareness.
Thank you, I honestly was tired of people only looking at him as a political figure, while we as audience knew him and his life way before that and should consider the time and place they are in.
I really hope people stop attaching anything that Phob does to the revolution and political systems, the last ep and him kneeling felt so personal to me? 1. He had enough power to dismiss the soldiers, they didn’t add that randomly it had a message in it, and ofc the history went on like that, people of lower status continued to have power from then forward. (Kinda but still the modern Thailand we see now started then, and Phob thinking his work could change the world for them to live freely was not so off? Cause the domino effect of that time made todays laws and ofc freedom of expression we see in Thailand) 2. He was saying sorry to them “if” he “personally”caused them any harm. He always felt guilty being raised by them and literally throwing them off the throne as rightful as it was. 3. He’s now technically the son in law of the family and kneeling is not to a prince but to a father? As trashy as he seemed to be, he’s still his man’s father and Tinn loves him that’s why they’re there? In the prison and showing their faces? Cause they’re still family? 4. Tinn knelt down in front of his father for their love twice, once in their younger age and once after their sweet hidden life so this felt like a payback to all the sacrifices Tinn made. 5. Phob is now standing being in Highest position out of all of them (and yes we saw how the director played with their sitting and standing and kneeling positions throughout the story) and then Tinn unapologetically kisses his hand? Mostly we see at the time that servants kiss their lords hands? And yeah it was a loving gesture but still it was showing how equal they are in their love. 6. Might be a bit far stretch but we should sometimes consider culture when we’re watching a drama specially when it’s a historical one, newly weds do kneel in front of their parents in some ceremonies like tea ceremony even until now let alone decades ago when age and parent-child relationships were much more formal looking, this time he wasn’t kneeling as a servant but as a son. Call me naive or too optimistic but that’s how I see it. And yeah ik there are still monarchy in Thailand and they should kinda be subtle and show respect but even till now they showed us enough considering their current political system.
This drama is almost perfect, but some scenes of ep 11 lacked a bit, but still we had such crazy good acting from Inn and Ongsa (when Phob was caught and when Tinn thought Phob is dead and ofc last scene) i don’t think for the last couple of years Ive seen such a well acted drama, something is always missing with actors, their chemi, their delivery of dialogues or emotions (like inconsistency in portraying the character) but here almost never I felt like they’re acting or that sth is awkward even ladies were amazing both with eo and with Tinn and Phob. And ofc the plot had such a good amount of depth and pieces of history that would always keep you at the edge of your seat. I really hope we see more of InnOngsa and also more of such deep well written and portrayed plots in bl cause they have already shown how capable they are.
I LOVE THE FEMALE REPRESENTATION HERE… omg bl dramas always frustrate me with how they show women as either villains or doormats or idk some sort of neutral characters, here any female character adds sth special to the story and actually all of them are connected so beautifully to the leads. We have a dear understanding friend who’s smart and independent and ofc a trusted confidant for Phob, then we have a ex fiance but mostly a great sister which is trying to be a better version of herself as a woman of that time, grandma which is an angel, no one could be as forgiving and loving as she is and we can see where Tinn got his personality from, even the mother which was strict and too inflexible made me think of how realistic her reaction was for that time and her convo with grandma and that small gesture towards Phob really defined this step of the love story between the leads which is being acknowledged and accepted. I really love the script writer for giving us such complex and interesting male and female characters.
If some people couldn’t see where most problems come from this episode was for them, the second the brother and dad entered the picture all the beautiful family dynamic weathered. I do understand the dad and his worries but his decisions and his mindset is so damn wrong and unchanging. (And his mindset literally represents the ideology of aristocrats that they rebelled against) Also they did not just end the episode like that… the cliffhanger is so damn real in this one🥲
The only thing I have to add to this is costume and direction, because both of high quality.It is directed so…
You’re right the costume designs really help with the story telling and making the period dramas more realistic to the said time and place, I haven’t watched overdo cause of bad reviews though I was looking forward to it… that’s a shame how some of directors or crew don’t care about important details.
The only thing I have to add to this is costume and direction, because both of high quality.It is directed so…
Exactly!! When you watch behind the scenes you really understand how hardworking and dedicated they all are, the cast, directing team and other crew members.
This drama is answer to our prayers, a drama that has depth, complex characters, pieces of history, topics of politics and status. The chemistry, acting, ost, and ofc the plot are all amazing. If you’re looking for a light hearted bl like we had 1000 of them this drama is not that, it has characters that make decisions like they’re real life people not some sort of love struck 2D characters. They are so beautiful inside and out and so in love that some cliche push and pull, love rival, misunderstandings or similar things have no place between them. Any problem they face comes from outside world and as sympathetic caring people that they are, they get affected and are forced to make decisions accordingly.
I’m on ep 20 and although I didn’t like the first few episodes (the filming and sets looked way too cheap and old school Ik it’s set in past but past shouldn’t mean cheap) but it’s going so good now, there are still some parts that they could work on and improve the drama but overall the chemi and conversations are amazing also this drama is one of the most natural and realistic (well ideally realistic iykyk) ones in terms of relationships and natural interactions, the flow of the relationship is so healing and the characters are really mature (not the villains ofc) which helps engaging with the drama and also relate with them. Hope they don’t mess up the second half and end it neatly so we finally have one healing winter drama to go back to.
There’s sth so endearing about their eyes, not to sound weird but their eyes are so bright and the way they act with their eyes is super engaging, as if they’re telling a lot more than what they’re saying out loud.
The story might not be super fresh but it sure makes you feel all sorts of good feelings, their relationship and the friendship of all of them is so healthy and loving that you forget how many times you saw such scenes in other dramas, and the chemistry of all of them was so good! The main cp really delivered a top notch chemi with enough cuteness and charm.
If we ignore the plot and focus on acting and chemi this would be such a enjoyable drama! Can’t imagine if they’re given good scripts how even better their chemistry will shine.
The acting and cinematography were amazing but the plot was somehow confusing and had some plot holes, if they worked on the flow of it this would be 10/10.
The story might not be 10/10 or close to that but the acting specifically the main leads absolutely is, just love when actors explore new genres and new ways of expressing themselves. The flow of story is good and not boring but sometimes kinda annoying (specially some cheesy scenes), could it be better and a bit more logical? Yes, but if you don’t take things too seriously you’ll enjoy one of the best bonds you’ve seen in dramas.
I really waited so long before writing this comment cause I felt it’s too harsh and the drama might get better but omg I’m utterly disappointed?! How can you have such a fabulous cast and chemistry and mess up the editing and storytelling? I keep thinking how stupid we should be to just accept these scenes as they are without questioning the logic. From the reason and the way each of them figured out about that he is a she to the supporting roles literally taking 70-80% of the screen time (and that for idiot and obvious reasons) it really frustrates me. I’m thinking if they didn’t have the budget for fight scenes and this cast what would they do? I’m not even gonna talk about how better the opening and closing part and ost could be. I really love the scenes the ml and fl are together or the overall relationship of the characters and for that all the faults annoy me more, such a (could be) fresh and unique drama has turned into “just another drama“ cause of some cliche parts and poor decisions.
I really liked the balance of this drama, from serious cases that they touched on some legit problems to lovely interactions of characters and also great costumes and set designs, not to mention great chemi of the cast, it all made this such a enjoyable drama filled with love, trust (well at least the main cp) and war of good vs evil.
Perhaps I’m not into romances of such kind that’s why I couldn’t fully enjoy it.
1. He had enough power to dismiss the soldiers, they didn’t add that randomly it had a message in it, and ofc the history went on like that, people of lower status continued to have power from then forward. (Kinda but still the modern Thailand we see now started then, and Phob thinking his work could change the world for them to live freely was not so off? Cause the domino effect of that time made todays laws and ofc freedom of expression we see in Thailand)
2. He was saying sorry to them “if” he “personally”caused them any harm. He always felt guilty being raised by them and literally throwing them off the throne as rightful as it was.
3. He’s now technically the son in law of the family and kneeling is not to a prince but to a father? As trashy as he seemed to be, he’s still his man’s father and Tinn loves him that’s why they’re there? In the prison and showing their faces? Cause they’re still family?
4. Tinn knelt down in front of his father for their love twice, once in their younger age and once after their sweet hidden life so this felt like a payback to all the sacrifices Tinn made.
5. Phob is now standing being in Highest position out of all of them (and yes we saw how the director played with their sitting and standing and kneeling positions throughout the story) and then Tinn unapologetically kisses his hand? Mostly we see at the time that servants kiss their lords hands? And yeah it was a loving gesture but still it was showing how equal they are in their love.
6. Might be a bit far stretch but we should sometimes consider culture when we’re watching a drama specially when it’s a historical one, newly weds do kneel in front of their parents in some ceremonies like tea ceremony even until now let alone decades ago when age and parent-child relationships were much more formal looking, this time he wasn’t kneeling as a servant but as a son.
Call me naive or too optimistic but that’s how I see it. And yeah ik there are still monarchy in Thailand and they should kinda be subtle and show respect but even till now they showed us enough considering their current political system.
Hope they don’t mess up the second half and end it neatly so we finally have one healing winter drama to go back to.