so this version is cut and while 3 ep one is uncut? am i correct?
Yeah, in a comment below that translated a press release or something it sounds like this edition is a cut version (there's more footage in the "Crank-Up" edition).
Alright, y'all in the comments need to cool your jets, LOL. Yes, this show is certainly not a masterpiece, but it also certainly isn't anywhere near the trash y'all are trying to say it is.
Let me go item by item on a few things that I've seen people say here in the comments over the past few weeks:
* "Bad chemistry" and/or "women only watching to get off on the chemistry"? (And LOL, which one is it? It obviously can't be both at the same time...) ✖️ Nope to both. For the first, IDK what you're seeing because the actors' chemistry is great with each other in this; and as for the second, wow, not only was that a really sexist statement, but hey, I'm asexual, so that stuff does nothing for me anyway, LOL! 🤷♀️ 😆 ...Really, though, in all seriousness, the intimacy shown onscreen in this show, while decently good, is so tame in comparison to so many other shows that people fawn over that truly are just made for the heat that this argument doesn't even apply in the first place.
* "Bad acting"? ✖️ From whom, LOL? I mean, sure, obviously none of these actors are anywhere near the level of, say, Gun or First, LOL... however, they seem to at least be competent enough, since all of the characters have been portrayed by their actors exactly as their canon characterization has established, as far as I can tell. (And I really don't get the dogpile of criticism on Dunk in particular that I've seen here, either. You try having as much trauma and pressure as Zo's had and then get back to me on how expressive you'd portray yourself. Heck, his character is way more expressive than *I* would have been in the same circumstances! 🤷♀️ Seems to me you should just say that you don't like the actor himself for whatever odd reason and move on instead of ragging on him acting exactly as he was directed to act. + Also, read this: https://www.tumblr.com/respectthepetty/726320436526432256/really-think-about-this-yall )
* "Bad writing"? ➖️ Okay, there are actually multiple aspects to this, but I'll concede half a point on this one. The writing is not top-tier, for sure; however, most of what people are seeing as bad writing seems to me to actually be the fault of the director and editor instead (such as the pacing of certain plot points, timeskips, flashbacks that should probably have been spread out more, etc.; that's all on the director{s} and editor{s}, not the writer{s}. And, honestly, those issues have been pretty minor, IMO. I've certainly seen way worse! 😅😆). ** Also, the real majority of what I'm seeing in terms of writing complaints are people actually having put way too much stock into just the series' title + trailer and then being disappointed when the result didn't match up to what they had imagined. Which, fair, I'll grant you; still, though, to have that happen and then rag on the writers afterward is like... I dunno, only seeing a novel's title, but making up its entire plot in your imagination just from that, and then once you finally crack it open and it's not what you imagined, you blast the author because you judged what they actually wrote in the first place against your erroneous fantasy that was never real. That doesn't really make a lot of sense, does it? 🤔 (And if you haven't learned the cardinal rule of "Never Trust A Thai Trailer!" by now, you really must not have been around here very long, LOL. 😅😆 I personally don't even bother watching any drama trailers at all anymore; I just go by what looks interesting via synopsis + detailed meta/commentary on other sites now, and that hasn't steered me wrong once yet-- unlike trailers have.) ** And finally, it seems like some others are being bored to tears with a sweet couple having good communication and minimal drama. Y'all must never have encountered the "slice-of-life" genre before, LOL-- but as someone who came from a general Japanese anime/manga entertainment background before recently diving into live-action BL from all the countries, that genre (which is basically exactly what it sounds like-- calm-paced glimpses of the daily life of the characters, with minimal drama when there is any at all) is fairly common there, and I've enjoyed a number of slice-of-life stories before. This show is basically exactly just that + romance, which is totally fine by me. Seems like a lot of people prefer to watch messy high-drama instead, though, LOL; and hey, that's also totally fine-- and I've enjoyed those types of stories, too! And I love stuff with a good meaty plot as well (sci-fi/fantasy is pretty much all I read when it comes to novels). But, TBH, I just find this show a really refreshing change of pace. I mean, a slice-of-life romance with good communication is what people should actually want in real life, LOL-- so, IMO, it's nice to finally see that actually portrayed onscreen for once.
* Finally, speaking of the title-- complaints about the "(not-so-)hidden agenda" being made a big deal of in episode 9: ✖️ If you had been paying attention to Zo's actual words, the big deal actually wasn't about any of the actions themselves; it was the justifications around it. Because the whole thing with Puen not only traumatized Zo in multiple ways, but also literally sent shockwaves of other aftereffects through his entire life (from part of his educational path to even his relationship with his mother, as shown in today's ep.)-- I mean, if that had happened to you, of course a situation even remotely reminding you of that would make you pissed, especially if at least one of the parties in question actually knew about that background story and still didn't connect the dots and immediately spill/confess. If Joke had 'fessed up immediately after hearing about Puen in the first place, or had at least sincerely apologized immediately once Zo found out, it *wouldn't* have been a big deal. And Zo was never gonna break up with Joke over it or anything like that anyway; as he stated, Zo was literally just trying to get Joke to explain and apologize properly like a normal human being instead of just trying to brush it off with cringey romance-trope actions that had no real meaning (plus another lie!), LOL. That was literally the whole point. IDK, made perfect sense to me. 🤷♀️
...So, yeah. Again, this show's not a masterpiece, but it's definitely not bad, either. I'm certainly quite enjoying it.
LOL... the comments here are completely baffling. If people hate normal courtships/relationships with gentle people communicating with each other relatively well this much, no wonder so many people's real life relationships are messed up. 😅 (I think y'all put way too much stock into the series' title, too-- I mean, the only thing that's even barely 'hidden' is the fact that the whole friend group likely seems to have been in on the knowledge of Joke's crush + possibly helping him out as well? 😆 It's not that serious, guys.)
Anyway, this isn’t boring at all; I'm honestly finding it really refreshing. Can't we all just enjoy a sweet romance with good communication (so far) for once? 🤷♀️
(EDIT: Was later informed by another commenter that if the show goes by the source, Joke actually is going to be revealed as a little unhinged lol 😆, and between the sneaky wedding thing that I had totally forgotten about from near the start of the series to some of the stuff that was going on in today's episode, I believe them. As I mentioned, I was already enjoying this show even without something like that, but for those who are complaining about wanting something more, then I guess there you go? 😆👍)
It stars idols so you know we are getting the dead fish lip press...
...Yet both halves of the couple in Semantic Error were and are still idols, respectively, and those kisses were *far* from dead-fish, LOL.
Nowadays, pretty much anyone who auditions for BL's (in any country-- SK included) seem to have no problems at all with kissing each other properly, it's just that it's up to the writers to write in kisses in the first place, and then up to the directors' choice on how they want the actors to portray it. (So blame the directors, basically, LOL. It happens in straight/non-idol dramas too, unfortunately.)
Not saying this particular series *will* have proper kissing (as it has only aired one episode so far, so who knows?), but just wanted to point out that just because it stars idols doesn't *necessarily* mean no/bad kissing. :)
A real crime, you mean? (Because that literally is a crime. Also, morally sick...)
...Not sure how "an adult beating the crap out of another adult" would not legally be the 'real crime' of assault/battery in any modern(ized) country, but okay... 🙃
The staff running this show are cruel, sick b*****ds who literally killed a live horse during filming-- and in such a fashion that it took it a week to die (likely in extreme agony), no less!-- all just to get a scene that they *could* have easily gotten *with no harm whatsoever* by just using one of the many readily-available horses in the world that are specifically trained to fall for filming purposes, instead of literally using a rope to just break this horse's freaking neck like they did here! And then to top it all off they actually aired that footage? Are they insane? The fact that such a horrific act of cruelty was even #1) thought up in the first place, #2) allowed to occur by multiple levels of staff, and #3) is apparently going completely unpunished, all in what is supposed to be a civilized country, is effed up beyond belief. Screw this show and everyone involved with this disgusting act.
(And before the people who I've seen, unbelievably, somehow finding it morally acceptable to defend all of this in previous comments come at me: #1) no, I actually *don't* eat meat, so don't bother trying to paint me as a hypocrite because I'm not one, and #2) you are just as sick and twisted as these crew members if you are seriously defending this s**t without even the slightest twinge of conscience. It was not a freaking 'accident'-- what was done and the way it was done was so obviously going to cause harm that the crew would have known better {on multiple levels, from basic human decency and literal common sense to it also being their actual freaking job to know about stuff like fall-trained horses}, yet they still did it anyway. So shame on them, and yes, also shame on anyone who supports or defends this.)
Let me go item by item on a few things that I've seen people say here in the comments over the past few weeks:
* "Bad chemistry" and/or "women only watching to get off on the chemistry"? (And LOL, which one is it? It obviously can't be both at the same time...) ✖️ Nope to both. For the first, IDK what you're seeing because the actors' chemistry is great with each other in this; and as for the second, wow, not only was that a really sexist statement, but hey, I'm asexual, so that stuff does nothing for me anyway, LOL! 🤷♀️ 😆 ...Really, though, in all seriousness, the intimacy shown onscreen in this show, while decently good, is so tame in comparison to so many other shows that people fawn over that truly are just made for the heat that this argument doesn't even apply in the first place.
* "Bad acting"? ✖️ From whom, LOL? I mean, sure, obviously none of these actors are anywhere near the level of, say, Gun or First, LOL... however, they seem to at least be competent enough, since all of the characters have been portrayed by their actors exactly as their canon characterization has established, as far as I can tell. (And I really don't get the dogpile of criticism on Dunk in particular that I've seen here, either. You try having as much trauma and pressure as Zo's had and then get back to me on how expressive you'd portray yourself. Heck, his character is way more expressive than *I* would have been in the same circumstances! 🤷♀️ Seems to me you should just say that you don't like the actor himself for whatever odd reason and move on instead of ragging on him acting exactly as he was directed to act. + Also, read this: https://www.tumblr.com/respectthepetty/726320436526432256/really-think-about-this-yall )
* "Bad writing"? ➖️ Okay, there are actually multiple aspects to this, but I'll concede half a point on this one. The writing is not top-tier, for sure; however, most of what people are seeing as bad writing seems to me to actually be the fault of the director and editor instead (such as the pacing of certain plot points, timeskips, flashbacks that should probably have been spread out more, etc.; that's all on the director{s} and editor{s}, not the writer{s}. And, honestly, those issues have been pretty minor, IMO. I've certainly seen way worse! 😅😆).
** Also, the real majority of what I'm seeing in terms of writing complaints are people actually having put way too much stock into just the series' title + trailer and then being disappointed when the result didn't match up to what they had imagined. Which, fair, I'll grant you; still, though, to have that happen and then rag on the writers afterward is like... I dunno, only seeing a novel's title, but making up its entire plot in your imagination just from that, and then once you finally crack it open and it's not what you imagined, you blast the author because you judged what they actually wrote in the first place against your erroneous fantasy that was never real. That doesn't really make a lot of sense, does it? 🤔 (And if you haven't learned the cardinal rule of "Never Trust A Thai Trailer!" by now, you really must not have been around here very long, LOL. 😅😆 I personally don't even bother watching any drama trailers at all anymore; I just go by what looks interesting via synopsis + detailed meta/commentary on other sites now, and that hasn't steered me wrong once yet-- unlike trailers have.)
** And finally, it seems like some others are being bored to tears with a sweet couple having good communication and minimal drama. Y'all must never have encountered the "slice-of-life" genre before, LOL-- but as someone who came from a general Japanese anime/manga entertainment background before recently diving into live-action BL from all the countries, that genre (which is basically exactly what it sounds like-- calm-paced glimpses of the daily life of the characters, with minimal drama when there is any at all) is fairly common there, and I've enjoyed a number of slice-of-life stories before. This show is basically exactly just that + romance, which is totally fine by me. Seems like a lot of people prefer to watch messy high-drama instead, though, LOL; and hey, that's also totally fine-- and I've enjoyed those types of stories, too! And I love stuff with a good meaty plot as well (sci-fi/fantasy is pretty much all I read when it comes to novels). But, TBH, I just find this show a really refreshing change of pace. I mean, a slice-of-life romance with good communication is what people should actually want in real life, LOL-- so, IMO, it's nice to finally see that actually portrayed onscreen for once.
* Finally, speaking of the title-- complaints about the "(not-so-)hidden agenda" being made a big deal of in episode 9: ✖️ If you had been paying attention to Zo's actual words, the big deal actually wasn't about any of the actions themselves; it was the justifications around it. Because the whole thing with Puen not only traumatized Zo in multiple ways, but also literally sent shockwaves of other aftereffects through his entire life (from part of his educational path to even his relationship with his mother, as shown in today's ep.)-- I mean, if that had happened to you, of course a situation even remotely reminding you of that would make you pissed, especially if at least one of the parties in question actually knew about that background story and still didn't connect the dots and immediately spill/confess. If Joke had 'fessed up immediately after hearing about Puen in the first place, or had at least sincerely apologized immediately once Zo found out, it *wouldn't* have been a big deal. And Zo was never gonna break up with Joke over it or anything like that anyway; as he stated, Zo was literally just trying to get Joke to explain and apologize properly like a normal human being instead of just trying to brush it off with cringey romance-trope actions that had no real meaning (plus another lie!), LOL. That was literally the whole point. IDK, made perfect sense to me. 🤷♀️
...So, yeah. Again, this show's not a masterpiece, but it's definitely not bad, either. I'm certainly quite enjoying it.
Anyway, I continue to not understand the comments here on MDL at all; this show has been great so far! (I just hope it can stick the landing... 😅)
Anyway, this isn’t boring at all; I'm honestly finding it really refreshing. Can't we all just enjoy a sweet romance with good communication (so far) for once? 🤷♀️
(EDIT: Was later informed by another commenter that if the show goes by the source, Joke actually is going to be revealed as a little unhinged lol 😆, and between the sneaky wedding thing that I had totally forgotten about from near the start of the series to some of the stuff that was going on in today's episode, I believe them. As I mentioned, I was already enjoying this show even without something like that, but for those who are complaining about wanting something more, then I guess there you go? 😆👍)
Nowadays, pretty much anyone who auditions for BL's (in any country-- SK included) seem to have no problems at all with kissing each other properly, it's just that it's up to the writers to write in kisses in the first place, and then up to the directors' choice on how they want the actors to portray it. (So blame the directors, basically, LOL. It happens in straight/non-idol dramas too, unfortunately.)
Not saying this particular series *will* have proper kissing (as it has only aired one episode so far, so who knows?), but just wanted to point out that just because it stars idols doesn't *necessarily* mean no/bad kissing. :)
(And before the people who I've seen, unbelievably, somehow finding it morally acceptable to defend all of this in previous comments come at me: #1) no, I actually *don't* eat meat, so don't bother trying to paint me as a hypocrite because I'm not one, and #2) you are just as sick and twisted as these crew members if you are seriously defending this s**t without even the slightest twinge of conscience. It was not a freaking 'accident'-- what was done and the way it was done was so obviously going to cause harm that the crew would have known better {on multiple levels, from basic human decency and literal common sense to it also being their actual freaking job to know about stuff like fall-trained horses}, yet they still did it anyway. So shame on them, and yes, also shame on anyone who supports or defends this.)