I liked this drama a lot. ML and FL are pretty equal, have great communication, and messages of the drama are very positive. Acting is pretty good, pace and script are pretty good. It is a twist on old time kdramas. They often start with an old trope, but then end it with a totally new age ending. So old timers are probably confused, and new age audience is left in the dust LOL No skinship or violence or "excitement" like that, and no dragging of "anio!" lying and cheating plots. Everything gets resolved fast. I really like this drama.
There is no romantic line so far. FL and ML were a couple nine years ago, but they ended up in bad terms. Then…
Also Mr Lee the IT guy has one sided crush on FL ... and ML and FL seem to still have feelings but would not act on them lol he is a criminal and she despises that
Thank God it's Saturday again,airs at 10 pm in our region.. 6 eps left ,how time flies.. I'm gonna miss this show…
you know... Season 2 is possible... her next case... Just like we could have episodes/seasons out of ML and his DK partner taking over each company.... Season 1 was Hong Kong... Season 2 is Korea Hanmin... and then it ends, they get caught LOL
This is not a romance drama, like the comment below said, they sold us on the wrong premise. I honestly don't…
Romance is a part of life, so any of the characters can plunge into romance any time.. FL was so flattered when Al hit on her, and so swooney around her ex's desk, so I am sure she will accept romance IF the right guy shows up. And after her grand project is over LOL FL is busy now LOL So far, no Mr. Right anywhere to be found... but it can change any time LOL this drama is full of surprises. Anyone can turn out to be Mr. Right, or a new character can pop up :) Let's watch and see!
He is sweet , handsome and rich . so yeah ofc we are rooting for albert π bfr (also didn't know "grown…
she wrote "didnt give sh.t about her little harem" not "romance". Read before you make fun of others Yeah, as she said, Albert is essentially a bum, so ... probably not a good partner for FL. he lacks life experience and determination. But maybe he is totally camouflaged - we will see!!!
What if Cha Jungil is the captain? The running gag in the show is that he's technologically challenged. So, no…
he is a worm and a lap dog, and not very smart, but slimey and mean. Perfect corporate pion, easy to use and manipulate yepphee started biting back. i think song knew too much - but really why was he fired...?
guys i watched the first ep and it kinda bored me should i continue watching it ?
Ep 1 was kinda full of plot holes. It got better after. But... The only way is to keep watching until you are sure. The fact that I like it does not mean that you will like it.
I feel that they sold us on the wrong premise honestly. This isn't a show about "omg her ex! and omg a young…
Well FL's "reverse harem" adds spice to the story... Romance is a part of life and is unavoidable... Any of the characters can plunge into romance any time....
IF Mr. Right comes along, FL is likely to choose romance ... after her grand project is over LOL I think she is a little too busy right now LOL But remember how flattered she was when Al was hitting on her? Remember how dreamy she was around her ex' desk?
Is this the first episode without any scenes of them yelling or getting frustrated?Even as they take their relationship…
yeah the pacing is totally off for 12 episodes. This is paced to be at least 20 episodes. It is ep 9 and this is the first episode without yelling. The Fox is still pretty much clueless abd has not confessed yet. ML tried to kiss and then changed his mind. THey should turn this into a weekend drama or a daily LOL or at least 20-30 ep drama.
This is filmed as a 20-30 episode drama... at least ... I would say, 50 episode drama LOL Ep 9 ended, and the Fox is still pretty much clueless and has not confessed yet. ML tried to kiss, got rejected, and then changed his mind. So at this rate... they need like 30 episodes at least. IF THE WRITER INTENDED THEM TOGETHER. Perhaps the writer wanted to say - Foxes are hopeless and just give up, we tried, it doesnt really work, ciao. OK then... but ... honestly.. .then I would not have watched the drama if I knew there would be no growth. I am expecting GROWTH. If they stay together or not, ok, but they gotta totally transform, from the caterpillar they gotta become butterflies, flying together or not. ... And the Fox is still crawling... I think ML transformed already. But he is stuck on the romance part, waiting for FL to transform enough to be a romantic partner ... The Fox is still waaay far from adequate......
Fox's growth is developing sooooo sloooooowly that there is no way this will end as them together at ep 12.... At best, they will be a little more friendly and will go back to their old selves OR continue as now ....
There is no way they will have a proper relationship by the end of ep 12. The Fox is getting slightly better but still too far from ready for a relationship... The Fox is still too arrogant bossy and too clueless about what is important - the Fox is really a mentally off character, let's say like an antisocial behavior person or autistic person or something like that - she is definitely NOT normal - and SoccerPlayer is still forced to wait for the Fox to become nice enough and stop biting and gnarling and gnashing her teeth, so that he can love her.... The Fox is soooo immature that it is hopeless... She is not even like a child... children know love... The Fox is... like a disabled person. She cannot work, she knows nothing about responsibility, she has no consideration for others, etc etc etc Occassionally she shows consideration now but she got a looooooong way to go... The scenes of her at work are really pathetic.... The scenes of her at Namsam are ... alarming red flags...
So.... this drama ends at ep 12 and ... Fox and SoccerPlayer are faaaaar from having a relationship and might just say goodbye.
The script kept the Fox as a cold distant arrogant for too long. The script writer thought that only the snide cold fox is funny and interesting ... but ... no thanks :) it is so jaring and harsh..... it is just unpleasant to watch for too long... I think what makes it even more unpleasant is that the Fox actress is sooo good in acting gnarly cruel, and Lomon is so good at acting a kind guy who gets beat up all the time by her, and then as a puppy in love who gets beat up over the head by her over and over again - e.g. the Fox at the Namsam date was so cruel!!!! - so the harshness is accentuated and is really like nails on the chalkboard. SHE KEEPS BITING AND SCRATCHING and he keeps bleeding, so it is just not pleasant to watch. Luckily it got less, but still.
The Fox is growing toooooo sloooooooooooowly.... It will take 20, 50 or 100 episodes to show the growth. So yeah, at this pace, let's say the first 9 episodes are wasted on the Fox being so cluelessly cold and cruel. And then she grows softer and stronger. OK we could live with that IF this was like 20-30 episode drama.
So yeah make a daily or a weekend drama out of this, if you really insist on indulging in the cluelessness and coldness of the arrogant immature Fox.
But the rule is: IF YOU WANT A ROM COM THEN BY ABOUT THE HALF OF THE DRAMA, THE COUPLE SHOULD CONFESS AND BE TOGETHER, then spend another quarter fighting all the problems and then spend the last quarter cleaning up and being together. So, what is ep 9 in this drama, should have been ep 4 or 5. Fox still has sooooo much to grow. SoccerPlayer unsuccessfully tried to kiss her and asked her to date as she is fighting it. And he has doubts too. BC IT IS CLEAR SHE IS NOT READY AT ALL. She is like ... a handicapped child. Like an autistic child... So .... if the script writer INISISTS on that, then this is at least 20-30 episode drama. Idol I drama did a pretty good job of proper pacing, imo.
Why is Si Yeol acting like heβs the boss whenever he speaks to that coach?!ππ
bc SY is a lot better coach :) SY was in charge of top teams and this coach is a total total loser, the way he handles his team is totally stupid..... training, out of training, everything... Remember, he beat up SY and told him never to dare play, bc the coach was bribed to let another, lesser player, move on.
Someone posted that this drama has 1% rating in S Korea and lots of slutshaming FL for having a man, baby, AND work.. ??? that seems backwards. Totally.
This is one of the best dramas ever, it is very funny yet profound and meaningful.
Calling it "Baby propaganda" is actually totally skewed bc children are a part of life, just like seniors are. The world does not revolve around young adults - although young adults like to think that way LOL The world does not consist only of working-age adults.... So yeah I like to see children in a drama. Presence of children SHOULD BE totally normal. Seems like it has become a rare thing in S Korea and the West... so yeah those ppl are going extinct. And seniors, who are now majority of population, are hidden, and dramas are about this small group of younger ppl.
she is boring bc she lacks energy. She is too skinny and too weak, physically, and a lot of it is related to emotions,…
My gosh where is your logic???? Does "having muscles" mean "you have to look like a bodybuilding champion"? HOW can you jump from one thing to a totally unrelated thing, just bc it fits your agenda? Where is your objective and logical thinking?
Everyone needs muscles and needs to be in shape. Everyone needs a functional STRONG body. Some people will be less strong and some more but everyone has to be healthy and strong enough to last through the day on their own, without any pills drugs alcohol etc. This woman happens to be petite so her "strong" is very different of "strong" of a rugby player, but for her size and frame, she gotta pull her version of "strong" BOTH CHIHUAHUAS AND ST BERNARDINE DOGS ARE "STRONG" IN THEIR OWN WAY. A little tiny chihuahua can run and jump and talks all the time, and is actually used as a guard dog, bc it barks at any noise. It is LIVELY although it is so small. yeah sure a chihuahua "long walk" is only several hundred meters, that is "strong" for the tiny doggie LOL but the doggie DOES run it and is fine. So we want to see something like that in a human too. A lively strong run, appropriate for the size and frame. People are not sloths. People move.
Pfsk - glow? Are you blind? HAVE you seen real glow ever? that woman is pale and lifeless.... There is nothing in her face or body that says "I am vibrant and radiant and exuding energy." Real glow has some rosey in the cheeks and has some color in the face. Like, the person actually went outdoors, moved, breathed, sweated, ....
And as for fat shaming - that kind of malnourished lifeless "model" is on every front page of every magazine and in all fashion shows, BODY SHAMING THE WHOLE WORLD to be that malnourished starving skinny, and if you are not, you have to feel bad about yourself, and guilty, and spending TONS of money and time and effort to get that way or at least hide the fact that you are eating food. NO to any of that. It is destructive.
So overall, I do not detect any informed thinking here, so please, stop bothering me. I am too busy to explain to someone who doesnt care to think. Bye.
I was thinking a lot about Woo Ju. The way the kid is portrayed is so .. revolutionary. I really love how they show him observing, talking and expressing his opinions... He is a smart cutie :) and it goes a lot deeper than just that. This idea that the parents are TALKING with the kid as an active participant and someone who has a say. Notice that Woo Ju never ever is allowed to dictate anything nor does he try.... . He is just asked for opinion. And he offers his opinion when something is really bothering him LOL and it is always for a good reason...
Woo Ju is shown as an entity of his own, with his own mind and emotions, and actively participating - he observes and reads the room and knows what is going on.... So: this drama portrays ****children as active participants in family, who have their say and who can be reasoned with.**** It is very remarkable. This is totally revolutionary according to the traditional upbringing where kids are more like furniture that the parent OWNS and arranges as they wish - including marriage, etc.
The drama is very deep. It is about what it means to be a good parent. That's deep. It is about a self-centered young person growing up enough to take care of a baby and earning a livelihood. Also, it shows this young female parasite who was always getting handouts from her family, finally stand up on her own two feet. That is remarkable. It is very "feminist" in many ways. It is empowering for all women. Also it shows this young male who is a very caring and active dad. It shows what a good dad is. Kids in the past did not have good dads, they had robots who ordered them around and did not interact much. So this new type of father is very revolutionary too. Also, it shows that taking care of a baby is not such a big deal, which is true. It is a big deal and also is not :) (Unfortunately, it shows kindergarden as a nice place - well... it very likely is not :) I would rather hire an ahjuma or adjushi to take care of the baby...)
So overall, this is an AMAZING drama in so many ways. I really like it a lot. Minus some details LOL I want FL to eat, have some muscles on her and be energetic, lively and strong. I love acting of ML actor, he is just amazing and I totally adore Woo Ju :)
It is a twist on old time kdramas. They often start with an old trope, but then end it with a totally new age ending. So old timers are probably confused, and new age audience is left in the dust LOL No skinship or violence or "excitement" like that, and no dragging of "anio!" lying and cheating plots. Everything gets resolved fast. I really like this drama.
Just like we could have episodes/seasons out of ML and his DK partner taking over each company.... Season 1 was Hong Kong... Season 2 is Korea Hanmin... and then it ends, they get caught LOL
FL was so flattered when Al hit on her, and so swooney around her ex's desk, so I am sure she will accept romance IF the right guy shows up. And after her grand project is over LOL FL is busy now LOL
So far, no Mr. Right anywhere to be found... but it can change any time LOL this drama is full of surprises. Anyone can turn out to be Mr. Right, or a new character can pop up :) Let's watch and see!
Yeah, as she said, Albert is essentially a bum, so ... probably not a good partner for FL. he lacks life experience and determination. But maybe he is totally camouflaged - we will see!!!
yepphee started biting back. i think song knew too much - but really why was he fired...?
But... The only way is to keep watching until you are sure. The fact that I like it does not mean that you will like it.
IF Mr. Right comes along, FL is likely to choose romance ... after her grand project is over LOL I think she is a little too busy right now LOL But remember how flattered she was when Al was hitting on her? Remember how dreamy she was around her ex' desk?
Ep 9 ended, and the Fox is still pretty much clueless and has not confessed yet. ML tried to kiss, got rejected, and then changed his mind. So at this rate... they need like 30 episodes at least. IF THE WRITER INTENDED THEM TOGETHER. Perhaps the writer wanted to say - Foxes are hopeless and just give up, we tried, it doesnt really work, ciao. OK then... but ... honestly.. .then I would not have watched the drama if I knew there would be no growth. I am expecting GROWTH. If they stay together or not, ok, but they gotta totally transform, from the caterpillar they gotta become butterflies, flying together or not. ... And the Fox is still crawling... I think ML transformed already. But he is stuck on the romance part, waiting for FL to transform enough to be a romantic partner ... The Fox is still waaay far from adequate......
Fox's growth is developing sooooo sloooooowly that there is no way this will end as them together at ep 12.... At best, they will be a little more friendly and will go back to their old selves OR continue as now ....
There is no way they will have a proper relationship by the end of ep 12. The Fox is getting slightly better but still too far from ready for a relationship... The Fox is still too arrogant bossy and too clueless about what is important - the Fox is really a mentally off character, let's say like an antisocial behavior person or autistic person or something like that - she is definitely NOT normal - and SoccerPlayer is still forced to wait for the Fox to become nice enough and stop biting and gnarling and gnashing her teeth, so that he can love her.... The Fox is soooo immature that it is hopeless... She is not even like a child... children know love... The Fox is... like a disabled person. She cannot work, she knows nothing about responsibility, she has no consideration for others, etc etc etc Occassionally she shows consideration now but she got a looooooong way to go... The scenes of her at work are really pathetic.... The scenes of her at Namsam are ... alarming red flags...
So.... this drama ends at ep 12 and ... Fox and SoccerPlayer are faaaaar from having a relationship and might just say goodbye.
The script kept the Fox as a cold distant arrogant for too long. The script writer thought that only the snide cold fox is funny and interesting ... but ... no thanks :) it is so jaring and harsh..... it is just unpleasant to watch for too long... I think what makes it even more unpleasant is that the Fox actress is sooo good in acting gnarly cruel, and Lomon is so good at acting a kind guy who gets beat up all the time by her, and then as a puppy in love who gets beat up over the head by her over and over again - e.g. the Fox at the Namsam date was so cruel!!!! - so the harshness is accentuated and is really like nails on the chalkboard. SHE KEEPS BITING AND SCRATCHING and he keeps bleeding, so it is just not pleasant to watch. Luckily it got less, but still.
The Fox is growing toooooo sloooooooooooowly.... It will take 20, 50 or 100 episodes to show the growth. So yeah, at this pace, let's say the first 9 episodes are wasted on the Fox being so cluelessly cold and cruel. And then she grows softer and stronger. OK we could live with that IF this was like 20-30 episode drama.
So yeah make a daily or a weekend drama out of this, if you really insist on indulging in the cluelessness and coldness of the arrogant immature Fox.
But the rule is: IF YOU WANT A ROM COM THEN BY ABOUT THE HALF OF THE DRAMA, THE COUPLE SHOULD CONFESS AND BE TOGETHER, then spend another quarter fighting all the problems and then spend the last quarter cleaning up and being together. So, what is ep 9 in this drama, should have been ep 4 or 5. Fox still has sooooo much to grow. SoccerPlayer unsuccessfully tried to kiss her and asked her to date as she is fighting it. And he has doubts too.
BC IT IS CLEAR SHE IS NOT READY AT ALL. She is like ... a handicapped child. Like an autistic child... So .... if the script writer INISISTS on that, then this is at least 20-30 episode drama.
Idol I drama did a pretty good job of proper pacing, imo.
This is one of the best dramas ever, it is very funny yet profound and meaningful.
Calling it "Baby propaganda" is actually totally skewed bc children are a part of life, just like seniors are. The world does not revolve around young adults - although young adults like to think that way LOL The world does not consist only of working-age adults....
So yeah I like to see children in a drama. Presence of children SHOULD BE totally normal. Seems like it has become a rare thing in S Korea and the West... so yeah those ppl are going extinct.
And seniors, who are now majority of population, are hidden, and dramas are about this small group of younger ppl.
Everyone needs muscles and needs to be in shape. Everyone needs a functional STRONG body. Some people will be less strong and some more but everyone has to be healthy and strong enough to last through the day on their own, without any pills drugs alcohol etc.
This woman happens to be petite so her "strong" is very different of "strong" of a rugby player, but for her size and frame, she gotta pull her version of "strong"
BOTH CHIHUAHUAS AND ST BERNARDINE DOGS ARE "STRONG" IN THEIR OWN WAY. A little tiny chihuahua can run and jump and talks all the time, and is actually used as a guard dog, bc it barks at any noise. It is LIVELY although it is so small. yeah sure a chihuahua "long walk" is only several hundred meters, that is "strong" for the tiny doggie LOL but the doggie DOES run it and is fine.
So we want to see something like that in a human too. A lively strong run, appropriate for the size and frame. People are not sloths. People move.
Pfsk - glow? Are you blind? HAVE you seen real glow ever? that woman is pale and lifeless.... There is nothing in her face or body that says "I am vibrant and radiant and exuding energy." Real glow has some rosey in the cheeks and has some color in the face. Like, the person actually went outdoors, moved, breathed, sweated, ....
And as for fat shaming - that kind of malnourished lifeless "model" is on every front page of every magazine and in all fashion shows, BODY SHAMING THE WHOLE WORLD to be that malnourished starving skinny, and if you are not, you have to feel bad about yourself, and guilty, and spending TONS of money and time and effort to get that way or at least hide the fact that you are eating food. NO to any of that. It is destructive.
So overall, I do not detect any informed thinking here, so please, stop bothering me. I am too busy to explain to someone who doesnt care to think. Bye.
Woo Ju is shown as an entity of his own, with his own mind and emotions, and actively participating - he observes and reads the room and knows what is going on....
So: this drama portrays ****children as active participants in family, who have their say and who can be reasoned with.**** It is very remarkable. This is totally revolutionary according to the traditional upbringing where kids are more like furniture that the parent OWNS and arranges as they wish - including marriage, etc.
The drama is very deep. It is about what it means to be a good parent. That's deep. It is about a self-centered young person growing up enough to take care of a baby and earning a livelihood. Also, it shows this young female parasite who was always getting handouts from her family, finally stand up on her own two feet. That is remarkable. It is very "feminist" in many ways. It is empowering for all women.
Also it shows this young male who is a very caring and active dad. It shows what a good dad is. Kids in the past did not have good dads, they had robots who ordered them around and did not interact much. So this new type of father is very revolutionary too.
Also, it shows that taking care of a baby is not such a big deal, which is true. It is a big deal and also is not :)
(Unfortunately, it shows kindergarden as a nice place - well... it very likely is not :) I would rather hire an ahjuma or adjushi to take care of the baby...)
So overall, this is an AMAZING drama in so many ways.
I really like it a lot.
Minus some details LOL I want FL to eat, have some muscles on her and be energetic, lively and strong.
I love acting of ML actor, he is just amazing
and I totally adore Woo Ju :)