i js started watching this and im confused. how are Ga siblings related to chairman? and whos the other daughter…
Chairman was the manager of the factory owned by the mother of the evil siblings. He made the factory into a cheabol company and then he found his biological daughter from before somehow... that was not explained... but then the stepkids killed her
I am not sure how the mom died like super fast after they got married...
so Chairman inherited everything :) and stepkids nothing LOL so they keep trying to get "what was their mom's" i.e. to steal it from Chairman
r u okay? it’s more about how the small town vibes is slower and more calm. not everyone wants that especially…
Are you ok LOL You think small towns don't have thrillers... ??? Just a quick question to test your IQ: what do you think is ballerina doing there? what do you think FL is doing in that computer place? What do you think will happen when siblings arrive to M?
Oh, you want a thriller like ... The Defects? But that kind of movie has no character development, the story is just actions going there doing that, but nothing about the PEOPLE and how they grow and change.
Quality of Korean dramas is declining, (this year, I can only commend Karma) anyhow I’m just glad there are…
Pfsk!!! Right now there is Shin's Project, A 100 Memories, Walking on Thin Ice, Our Golden Days even, Graceful Liar daily is amazing , .... they are all masterpieces... Tempest, Mantis, Bon Appetit, Defects, are more westernized mainstream....but at least the acting was good.... etc etc etc etc ... !!!! I loved Haunted Palace which was funny and deep, First Night with Duke which was fluffy fun and deep, etc. Queen's HOuse daily was very decent... There are TONS of amazing kdramas....
The new trend is complexity in character and more competent and diverse FLs, which really makes it fun. And, nobody else but Koreans has that WARMTH and FUN and LIGHTNESS, everything is comedy, everything is rom com, everything is a thriller and adventure, ... AS LIFE IS.... life is never just one thing. Also, kdramas have meaningful stories and messages, and we see characters grow.
I watched so many cdramas and jdramas and they just ... dont ... Even the best cdrama like Bond is just not it. Too much suffering in China. Their vibe is too harsh.
I love kdramas and find no others could even compare
Although the story is very toxic, about immature toxic people making mistakes, the script is not really trash, the script is masterfully telling a story of many lives gone trashy bc of INGORANCE. the value of the story is seeing COMMON mistakes of immature people, and how SOME ppl are trying to fix their mistakes, and in contrast, what it looks like when you put no effort into it.
Interim Judge is the most mature person of them all, but not quite, he is still held on the leash by JH who drags him to watch HER play bbal for hours... just to sit there and look at her... and listen to her and give her free advice. She never ever asked one thing about him. Everything is about her.
YR is the person who put in most effort to grow, for sheer survival. ANd she made most progress. By ep..9? she as able to stand up to JH and say honestly what SHE needs.
CheabolBoy also made effort to grow. He stopped using "Ugly" and started real date stuff, and actually confessed. He is brave and he is truly in love, trying to come closer to YR.
JP made no effort to grow although he was told he had to, ..... until he was super pushed, and even then, his effort was sooo... mediocre and lot.... it was like ... not up all the way. Useless.
JH has no clue she has to grow and she has grown backwards SHe has done some terrible things like ask YR to help her catch JP although she saw how much she likes him; lying to JP's friends and trying to manipulate him; and then trying to compete with YR... JH sat on her butt for 7 years for "her dream" to be miss Korea and then suddely as soon as YR got JP and was forced to compete... there goes JH!!!!
JH is just an attention vampire
so with the great acting, we get to see how some ppl played their life and how we could play our life. And we are not here to be on someone's side or not. Rooting for a character is reserved when the story is clearly about good and evil, and even then... the heroes make mistakes too and we should never let them get away with it :) In every good story, the flawed hero fixes their messes...
IN this story, there is nobody good and nobody evil. All main characters are toxic and also "nice" people. SO you cannot stand by none of them. You can just watch and observe.
Although it is toxic and frustrating, it is very educational isnt it, and also acting is great, and the story allows us to analyze and see what is right and what is not. So the value of the story is great, it provides very deep learning on many levels. THE STORY PERTAINS TO OUR DAILY LIVES
I have faced YR JP JH in myself and others and I have studied this subject for a while LOL There is always more to learn :) Stephan Speaks free relationship coaching online was quite helpful to put into words some stuff I was observing myself. I dont agree 100% with EVERYTHING that Stephen speaks LOL but he is really common sense good advice, imo.
THe discussion here is ctitical as as a self growth tool, bc the more you think about issues presented in this drama, the more you LEARN
Bro i am speechless over trash writing...no spark feel between Jp and YR even the confession was null and void.…
I think in some regards it is trash writing and in other ways, it is a **** realistic real life very common toxic trash story **** about **** ordinary people who are toxic out of their immaturity and blindness ***** it challenges our views on friendship, love, family, etc etc AS WE WATCH OURSELVES IN THIS DRAMA....
- and since it is so murky and complex, it really electrifies and polarizes the audience. Do you realize how many ppl said that JP is a great guy, that JH is a wonderful friend, and that YR was cunning person who backstabed and stole from JH? ALL fat butts JaePils, and all entitled selfish looking for adoration JHs, and all insecure doormat servants YR, they are all confused...
and those people who have seen the JP, the JH, the YR in themselves already and faced it and made it more clear, those ppl have more clear insight...
JP JH YR are all in us, we have such parts in us, and this drama speaks about the EPIDEMIC of those parts in the society. Some posts I read here totally shocked me by their ignorance
So to me, the value of this drama is exposing the trash toxic parts of our social norms so that it can be discussed
I am so utterly shocked by non-physical nature of so many ppl who wonder why JH is avoiding physical touch with EH and why is he "suddenly" crushing on EH. Hello!!! Watch ep 1 again, where he jumps out and chases someone who harassed EH. A man who does that is not acting for a friend. He liked her.
JH loved EH from the beginning, just was too frozen to know it. He melted a bit now so he is starting to feel.
AND when you like someone, you want to touch them and grab them, that is natural - isnt it for you???? - it is natural for anyone who is healthy!!!!! -
and he is trying to avoid her from coming close bc he could fall for the temptation and grab her, and that would be no good... esp since he is male, his enthusiasm will be very visible. so he avoids her.
She feels that she has an upper edge so she keeps coming too close... but she is not aware of it. TO her, it is just like a little play
BTW when was the last time you saw and/or interacted with a healthy adult esp young male?? Yeah they are almost extinct in the USA :)
And she, being so thin frail and non-physical, does not understand it. She is too skinny and weak and just cannot feel her own body, or maybe bc she is so skinny, her hormones do not even work.
So they are going to be a mismatch, an athletic physical guy and a fragile non-physical thing all bones no muscles . THis relationship aint moving unti she starts working out, where she COULD match him. Otherwise she is a nice little toy but unusitable for a lover.
Omg you nailed it. People defending JH are so toxic. In fact, it is JH stealing from YR. YR was always a doormat…
your comment makes no sense bc it seems like you are taking sides and wont belittle JH to glaze YR... ??? wth does that mean... it is completely contradictiory to your first sentence. SO it is like passive agressive way to say that you think JH is doing just fine and that YR is a bad person... ???
I am not writing this to support or belitle any character!!!! I am stating what I see, objectively. It is what it is. I am not standing on any side.
Your post is very significant as it shows how used we are to toxicity - "friendship" to most humans means standing up for someone even if they are lying or doing bad things
watching this just for the fact that i have invested my time in this. i would not watch if i know the storyline…
cframa short VERTICALS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7QRfK6-lIg I can only see you are 100% uneducated about this, so watch this to learn Netflix is a problem yes, westernizing and trying to fight the microdramas
bro all you do in spread jonghee hate. calm down and consume media with more nuance. not like she is not a flawed…
JP JH and YR are all very flawed and toxic characters, very immature. You havent noticed??? Where is your finesse?
THe plot was shit for all of them from the beginning. You havent noticed????
Yes sure her background was bad... and so she is a wounded immature person..... that's ok ... BUT IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HURTING OTHERS - she hurt JP badly by inviting him on a date to dump him, and then YR by noticing she likes JP and still asking her to help her snatch him, and then butting into the peagant just bc YR has JP and enetered a peagant.
JH IS NOT A NICE PERSON. Being wounded and flawed is one thing - YR is also wounded and flawed - but is a nice person, to the point of being a doormat.
Keep the concepts separate. Being wounded and immature does not mean you are allowed to do whatever you want. Many serial killers are wounded and immature. **** AN ADULT TRIES TO IMPROVE.
It is absolutely unacceptable to glorify JH as a good friend or a victim at this point. I dont hate JH. I just observe her trashy behavior and am amazed that anyone can think that she did nothing wrong. I am just expressing my shock at the stupidity and toxicity of the posts that glorify JH
To you it looks like hating JH bc you are .... like JH? what she did is normal to you? That's your life... .
suit yourself, I have not found a cdrama yet that has the plot, warmth and humor of kdramas... cramas are quite…
cframa short VERTICALS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7QRfK6-lIg I can only see you are 100% uneducated about this, so watch this to learn Netflix is a problem yes, westernizing and trying to fight the microdramas
Same! Ever since I started Cdramas, I've been in a kdrama slump! Reducing episode number from 16 to 12 episodes…
Ok if you cannot explain what it is that you dislike, if you cannot analyze the characters and the plot, then this is not for you, just leave then :)
I think it is a fantastic drama with fantastic acting and a very toxic plot which definitely is necessary to expose how ppl think - as you can see, so many think that JH or JP are nice ppl doing everything right and many think that YR never did anything stupid JH and JP are parasites and YR is a doormat servant. I hope we can say WERE
the purpose of drama is to show how ppl grow and change
well your pov is totally pathetic, first of all she didn’t steal jp, it was jp who came running towards her…
I give up on this user nau112. Her views are too scewed and lack any commons sense and concrete evidence so there is no point in discussing this with someone so blind. Farawell :)
Okayyy, YR is a backstabber! JH gave up on that guy for YR, YR asked JH to leave after that incident then got…
Wow unbelievable. Truly unbelieavable... !!!! So... JH being away for SEVEN YEARS without any contact means that YR backstabbed her... ??? wth ??? is YR the indentured servant of JH?
What is your problem? That JH is pretty? That YR was her doormat? Why do you put JH on a pedestal and why do you despise YR?
He made the factory into a cheabol company
and then he found his biological daughter from before somehow... that was not explained... but then the stepkids killed her
I am not sure how the mom died like super fast after they got married...
so Chairman inherited everything :) and stepkids nothing LOL so they keep trying to get "what was their mom's" i.e. to steal it from Chairman
Just a quick question to test your IQ: what do you think is ballerina doing there? what do you think FL is doing in that computer place? What do you think will happen when siblings arrive to M?
Oh, you want a thriller like ... The Defects? But that kind of movie has no character development, the story is just actions going there doing that, but nothing about the PEOPLE and how they grow and change.
Expand your idea of what a "thriller" is
Tempest, Mantis, Bon Appetit, Defects, are more westernized mainstream....but at least the acting was good.... etc etc etc etc ... !!!!
I loved Haunted Palace which was funny and deep, First Night with Duke which was fluffy fun and deep, etc. Queen's HOuse daily was very decent...
There are TONS of amazing kdramas....
The new trend is complexity in character and more competent and diverse FLs, which really makes it fun. And, nobody else but Koreans has that WARMTH and FUN and LIGHTNESS, everything is comedy, everything is rom com, everything is a thriller and adventure, ... AS LIFE IS.... life is never just one thing. Also, kdramas have meaningful stories and messages, and we see characters grow.
I watched so many cdramas and jdramas and they just ... dont ... Even the best cdrama like Bond is just not it. Too much suffering in China. Their vibe is too harsh.
I love kdramas and find no others could even compare
Interim Judge is the most mature person of them all, but not quite, he is still held on the leash by JH who drags him to watch HER play bbal for hours... just to sit there and look at her... and listen to her and give her free advice. She never ever asked one thing about him. Everything is about her.
YR is the person who put in most effort to grow, for sheer survival. ANd she made most progress. By ep..9? she as able to stand up to JH and say honestly what SHE needs.
CheabolBoy also made effort to grow. He stopped using "Ugly" and started real date stuff, and actually confessed. He is brave and he is truly in love, trying to come closer to YR.
JP made no effort to grow although he was told he had to, ..... until he was super pushed, and even then, his effort was sooo... mediocre and lot.... it was like ... not up all the way. Useless.
JH has no clue she has to grow and she has grown backwards SHe has done some terrible things like ask YR to help her catch JP although she saw how much she likes him; lying to JP's friends and trying to manipulate him; and then trying to compete with YR... JH sat on her butt for 7 years for "her dream" to be miss Korea and then suddely as soon as YR got JP and was forced to compete... there goes JH!!!!
JH is just an attention vampire
so with the great acting, we get to see how some ppl played their life and how we could play our life.
And we are not here to be on someone's side or not.
Rooting for a character is reserved when the story is clearly about good and evil, and even then... the heroes make mistakes too and we should never let them get away with it :) In every good story, the flawed hero fixes their messes...
IN this story, there is nobody good and nobody evil. All main characters are toxic and also "nice" people. SO you cannot stand by none of them. You can just watch and observe.
Although it is toxic and frustrating, it is very educational isnt it, and also acting is great, and the story allows us to analyze and see what is right and what is not. So the value of the story is great, it provides very deep learning on many levels. THE STORY PERTAINS TO OUR DAILY LIVES
I have faced YR JP JH in myself and others and I have studied this subject for a while LOL There is always more to learn :) Stephan Speaks free relationship coaching online was quite helpful to put into words some stuff I was observing myself. I dont agree 100% with EVERYTHING that Stephen speaks LOL but he is really common sense good advice, imo.
THe discussion here is ctitical as as a self growth tool, bc the more you think about issues presented in this drama, the more you LEARN
YR was interesting to her as long as YR was looking up to JH
- and since it is so murky and complex, it really electrifies and polarizes the audience. Do you realize how many ppl said that JP is a great guy, that JH is a wonderful friend, and that YR was cunning person who backstabed and stole from JH?
ALL fat butts JaePils, and all entitled selfish looking for adoration JHs, and all insecure doormat servants YR, they are all confused...
and those people who have seen the JP, the JH, the YR in themselves already and faced it and made it more clear, those ppl have more clear insight...
JP JH YR are all in us, we have such parts in us, and this drama speaks about the EPIDEMIC of those parts in the society. Some posts I read here totally shocked me by their ignorance
So to me, the value of this drama is exposing the trash toxic parts of our social norms so that it can be discussed
Hello!!! Watch ep 1 again, where he jumps out and chases someone who harassed EH. A man who does that is not acting for a friend. He liked her.
JH loved EH from the beginning, just was too frozen to know it.
He melted a bit now so he is starting to feel.
AND when you like someone, you want to touch them and grab them, that is natural - isnt it for you???? - it is natural for anyone who is healthy!!!!! -
and he is trying to avoid her from coming close bc he could fall for the temptation and grab her, and that would be no good... esp since he is male, his enthusiasm will be very visible.
so he avoids her.
She feels that she has an upper edge so she keeps coming too close... but she is not aware of it. TO her, it is just like a little play
BTW when was the last time you saw and/or interacted with a healthy adult esp young male??
Yeah they are almost extinct in the USA :)
And she, being so thin frail and non-physical, does not understand it. She is too skinny and weak and just cannot feel her own body, or maybe bc she is so skinny, her hormones do not even work.
So they are going to be a mismatch, an athletic physical guy and a fragile non-physical thing all bones no muscles . THis relationship aint moving unti she starts working out, where she COULD match him. Otherwise she is a nice little toy but unusitable for a lover.
I am not writing this to support or belitle any character!!!! I am stating what I see, objectively. It is what it is. I am not standing on any side.
Your post is very significant as it shows how used we are to toxicity - "friendship" to most humans means standing up for someone even if they are lying or doing bad things
Netflix is a problem yes, westernizing and trying to fight the microdramas
THe plot was shit for all of them from the beginning. You havent noticed????
Yes sure her background was bad... and so she is a wounded immature person..... that's ok ... BUT IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HURTING OTHERS - she hurt JP badly by inviting him on a date to dump him, and then YR by noticing she likes JP and still asking her to help her snatch him, and then butting into the peagant just bc YR has JP and enetered a peagant.
JH IS NOT A NICE PERSON. Being wounded and flawed is one thing - YR is also wounded and flawed - but is a nice person, to the point of being a doormat.
Keep the concepts separate. Being wounded and immature does not mean you are allowed to do whatever you want. Many serial killers are wounded and immature. ****
AN ADULT TRIES TO IMPROVE.
It is absolutely unacceptable to glorify JH as a good friend or a victim at this point.
I dont hate JH. I just observe her trashy behavior and am amazed that anyone can think that she did nothing wrong. I am just expressing my shock at the stupidity and toxicity of the posts that glorify JH
To you it looks like hating JH bc you are .... like JH? what she did is normal to you? That's your life... .
YR grew up more than JH
Netflix is a problem yes, westernizing and trying to fight the microdramas
I think it is a fantastic drama with fantastic acting and a very toxic plot which definitely is necessary to expose how ppl think - as you can see, so many think that JH or JP are nice ppl doing everything right and many think that YR never did anything stupid
JH and JP are parasites and YR is a doormat servant. I hope we can say WERE
the purpose of drama is to show how ppl grow and change
What is your problem? That JH is pretty? That YR was her doormat? Why do you put JH on a pedestal and why do you despise YR?