I know I shouldn't be saying this but I want Yeondo not to have the kid somehow because if she does, Junha will…
One of the morals of this drama is that all babies are a potential blessing - regardless of their biological parents (which isn't necessarily a widely held belief in much of Korean culture/society).
Bing told me something different regarding a required DNA test and in the AI overlord i trust, (since goggle is…
Most of your sources involve matters of custody and responsibility. Could you provide the link that covers "challenging legal paternity". I would like to have it in my resource list.
I think your comments confirm my basic point - JH can wreak havoc by claiming paternity and demanding a DNA test - but that is only available AFTER Real is born. However, if they are married, it won't make any difference - the courts aren't going to give JH custody or even require visitation - they look out for the best interests of the child. Unless there is an issue of abuse (which might be a problem if putative ("presumed") father discovers he is not the bio dad), the courts aren't going to interfere, especially for a man who wanted her to have an abortion.
But I really, really don't want to watch some long drawn-out court battle. I don't think that's where the writers are headed.
I started the first episode. It's an ok watch but honestly why does the ML seem incompetent? The only thing he's…
Perhaps the "incompetence" is fake. He only returned to Korea so that he could find out information about his mother - and he also wants to convince his older sister that he has no intention of competing with her for the King family "kingdom". He understands that his sister is trying to undermine him and he goes along with it - for now.
He got his MBA from an apparently very elite English university; he won't let the hotel employees suffer abuse; I think he will get through that interview (with the new questions) with flying colors.
After doing a deep dive on the topic a couple of days ago, I’ve put together a very top-level summary of parental rights/obligations in Korea.
In Korea, a child born to a married woman can only be registered as her husband’s child, even if the husband is not the biological father. No other name can be designated as the father. 🚨🚨🚨 TK and YD better get their marriage registered STAT!
For a birth out of wedlock, the law dictates that “The report. . .shall be filed by the mother.” Fathers cannot register their children. Before 2015, the law dictated that only a mother had the right to do so. After 2015, the law lays out exceptions of when the father is eligible to register but it is a very difficult process. In case of unmarried couples, the birth father has no parental rights and obligations until his paternity (DNA) is established.
My Comment: The above helps explain to us non-Koreans what Yeon Do may have been thinking when she said “Real” has no father, [he] only has a mother. If she and TK are not married, she cannot identify him as the father – that would be considered fraud. I think most Korean viewers understand that the two of them have created a big mess for themselves/the baby and they are screaming at the screen – get down to the registration office right now!
If I find the time, I’ll put a more substantive summary together for the discussion topic forum with links to articles and other sources.
"Yoo In Soo will be joining the cast as new character Na Jeok Bong, a harmless and naive country boy. Jeok Bong lives a simple and peaceful life as a farmer, where he wears a cheerful smile even while breaking a sweat shoveling cow dung.. . . . .
Yoo In Soo humbly confessed to feeling nervous about whether his acting might drag down the drama, remarking, “As a viewer who really enjoyed watching Season 1, I worried a lot when I heard that I’d be part of ‘The Uncanny Counter 2.'”
However, he went on to express confidence in his character, teasing, “Although Na Jeok Bong might be unsophisticated, please look forward to seeing him as a new superhero who knows how to fight back.”
His character is different from the webtoon - not sure how much, but I read somewhere that he doesn't play the guitar and he is "country boy". Side note: Yoo In Soo has been juggling several different dramas since August 2022: The Good Bad Mom (late August 2022); returned to AOS for final filming in September; Daily Dose of Sunshine (I think he is guest role as patient?); UC2 and movie You Did Great during winter and early 2023. This year (2023) is HIS year.
He is adorable in whatever role he plays. How am I going to wait for July 29??
Any updates or corrections would be appreciated. 1. Question: Who KNOWS (suspicion doesn't count) that bio dad…
I've been reading up on pregnancy/parental rights in Korea. We are talking about a pregnant woman - a rather sophisticated or at least "well-bred" woman - 35 years ago. Having a baby out of wedlock and keeping it was unheard of back then and I'm not sure how realistic that would be to today's Korean viewer.
If CM is TK's bio father, it means he cheated on his first wife. Possible but. . . . I don't see it. The most likely scenario to me right now is that she was married to TK's father and he died so she had to raise him alone. But, that could all change in a nano-second with a never-before-seen, but poorly-hidden document that someone finds at some critical point. 🤣🤣🤣
Any updates or corrections would be appreciated. 1. Question: Who KNOWS (suspicion doesn't count) that bio dad…
Thank you for your answers. W/r/t No. 5 - JH bought an engagement ring for SJ and intended to propose to her before YD came to the hotel room.
SJ was not YD 2.0. According to the KBS web site :
"For him [JH}, who also thought that marriage was a kind of investment, Yondu is a stable investment. However, he changes his mind when he meets a woman who wants to gamble."
I don't understand the concept of the word "gamble" but it is the opposite of "stable".
the most trouble part is that the kids are that of jerk. they didn't comprehend the consequences of that they…
I did a deep dive yesterday on Korean law regarding birth registration, paternity rights, etc. and was preparing a post before I got distracted. I'll try to post something later.
But a significant factor is that biological fathers have almost ZERO rights in Korea. Joon Ha can wreak havoc if he learns the truth, but he won't be able to get custody or even visitation rights.
During an earlier conversation with bloomingtide, I found out that I have missed some key details, so confirmation…
Any updates or corrections would be appreciated. 1. Question: Who KNOWS (suspicion doesn't count) that bio dad is JH? My Answer: TK and YD only [correct? incorrect?]
2. Question: Who KNOWS that TK is not the bio dad? My Answer: TK/YD (of course) plus Uncle DS?
3. Question: Who knows that TK and YD did not register their marriage My Answer: Only TK and YD
4. Question: Who knows that Hyun Woo and Ji Myeong signed a “co-parenting” agreement allowing separate private lives? My Answer: The pharmacist lady and Ji Myeong’ co-worker(?).
5. Question: who knows that SJ is the woman that JH wanted to marry? Or, that he cheated with? This is one of THE biggest secrets of all – destined to be revealed at THE perfect moment My Answer: Noone(?).
6. Question: who knows that older brother (Chun Myung) and wife (Soo Yeong) are contemplating sperm donor? My answer: Yeon Doo and cleaning lady/uncle’s former girlfriend (but she doesn't know identity of couple (?))
7. Question: Was In Ok a “single” mother or an “unwed” mother. There is a big difference in Korean culture/society. My Answer: I don’t know the answer!?? I was under the impression that she was an unwed (never married) mother, but upon re-watching a couple of episodes, she simply mentions raising TK “alone”.
During an earlier conversation with bloomingtide, I found out that I have missed some key details, so confirmation and/or update on certain "secrets" would be appreciated.
Like any good soap opera, plot and narrative depend on "secrets", specifically the FEAR of a secret becoming known and imploding at any moment (episode cliffhangers!). Some are revealed slowly over time and others wait and percolate until THE perfect moment for reveal. Other "secrets" may simply be big gaping unknowns at this point - the identity of TK's bio father; Joon Ha's family history (totally unknown,. And some secrets may remain secrets to the very end.
Since they involve spoilers from earlier episodes, my questions are below.
JH: sperm donor (not father) of jinjja, possible bro of tk, half is most likely since i think inok would have…
"Even if we go full soap opera here with the plot and say one baby was stolen at birth or some other nonsense, she would have been knowing she was having twins and talked about it before/the loss of a child, or something to that accord. "
EVERY soap opera in the United states (both nighttime and daytime) has included at least one never-before-seen-or-heard-of-child that appears out of nowhere. And the reason that the mother and/or father never mentioned it on screen prior to that appearance is. . . . drum roll. . . it was simply too painful to talk about.
I am fully on the twin bandwagon now - half brothers with the same car and suits won't cut it. But as a twin mom, I'm a biased, of course. If we see In Ok go into her bedroom, open up a jewelry box or something and look inside and pull out a photo - put a fork in it because it is done. 😊
I'm looking forward to finding out the answer regardless of what it may be - I'm just happy that JH has a backstory, mysterious as it may be at this time. Again, thanks for the info - I'm going to be spending this week (since nothing else is airing mid-week) re-watching early episodes.
THE REAL ESTATE IS NOT A PROBLEM UNLESS YOU MAKE IT ONE YEONDOO FFS. YOU DID NOT SIGN YOUR LIFE AWAY AFTER ALL.Sorry,…
Sorry this took too long. I was looking for the web site that I researched long ago re: registration of marriage in Korea.
In Korea, a couple registers w/two witnesses at a government office and once the paperwork is completed/submitted/approved - they are legally married. A ceremony or officiant is not required. Here is the best link I could find:
In the US, requirements differ by state, but the couple fills out paperwork to get a license to marry and then once the ceremony is conducted, witnesses and the officiant sign the marriage certificate - and it is the marriage certificate that is sent to the local government office. I checked my local jurisdiction using my own last name and it was easily found , together with hubby's name and wedding date, on the government website. The certificate itself is private.
I'm pretty sure that if someone searches for Yeon Do's name in the registry, they will be able to determine if they did - or did not - register. Right now, I don't see the writers going down that path, but we shall see. 😊
JH: sperm donor (not father) of jinjja, possible bro of tk, half is most likely since i think inok would have…
Wow, I thought I was keeping track of drama even if I didn’t watch immediately upon release (late at night on Viki) but then I checked the dates and I was heavily invested in Secret Romantic Guesthouse and Bora! Deborah in April and May. I definitely missed whatever speculation/theorizing took place here on MDL re: JH, but good to know I got the “adoption” angle correct. During my deep dive yesterday, I thought I had read every article and watched every video but definitely did not see JEJ’s interview regarding his character and “secret”. Will have to do more searching. This actually makes me happy because it means the character isn’t a mere plot device – and we will eventually learn his back-story and that will explain some of his motivation. I started to re-watch earlier episodes over the weekend (apparently the hot kiss in Ep. 1 Korean preview was a big deal!) and also noticed the matching suits/cars, etc. TK was an absolute prick to JH in the elevator before he even knew his connection to Yeon Doo (although he put it together soon thereafter). But if it means anything, I don’t see half brothers (same father, different moms). I see twins. They are the same age, after all. (You may recall, I’m a mother of boy/girl twins). Heh, I wonder if we are going to get a same birth date episode. TK surrounded by family, JH alone. Time will tell. Another hint: JH was a featured speaker at the unwed mother show, talking about how to be financially independent – a reflection on what happened with his mother? Since apparently there IS a mystery to be revealed regarding JH (thank you for that info!!), I might start a discussion topic on him so I can collect info all in one place and keep it off the main board. Another (and my last) trigger warning: I’ve been shipping JH and SJ from the very first episode, but stayed quiet because I’m not up for a war on the forum. They will be together, they will be redeemed, and chances are good they will have a baby. I like all four couples (five if younger sister/brother are included) and believe all will get a happy ending, but JH/SJ’s journey is the one with the most twists and turns and therefor the most interesting (to me). Thanks again for the explanations and little factoids.
JH: sperm donor (not father) of jinjja, possible bro of tk, half is most likely since i think inok would have…
"JH: sperm donor (not father) of jinjja, possible bro of tk, half is most likely since i think inok would have remembered that otherwise lmao"
Where the hell did THAT come from (the bro part)??
However, you are kinda sort going down a path similar to me. Trigger warning: I am a big fan of Jung Eui Jae and his portrayal of JH. Of the entire cast, JH is the only one with NO family, NO history, NO backstory other than became a star investor and then internet influencer.
Is the character (one of only four main characters) merely a plot device with no story or information that tells the viewer why he is so cold and calculating?? Maybe. What a waste of story/character if true since the writers have done a pretty decent job of explaining everyone else's family history and motivations.
I did a deep dive on the internet today - only a handful of cryptic hints re: JH character. I'm thinking maybe orphanage/foster homes/no love as a child.
Which is why I'm curious how you came up with the half bro of TK.
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Grabbing my cup of coffee! 😊
Very fun episode. reminder to self: do not hold a full cup of coffee in hands while watching this drama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tNG8CEL07M
I think your comments confirm my basic point - JH can wreak havoc by claiming paternity and demanding a DNA test - but that is only available AFTER Real is born. However, if they are married, it won't make any difference - the courts aren't going to give JH custody or even require visitation - they look out for the best interests of the child. Unless there is an issue of abuse (which might be a problem if putative ("presumed") father discovers he is not the bio dad), the courts aren't going to interfere, especially for a man who wanted her to have an abortion.
But I really, really don't want to watch some long drawn-out court battle. I don't think that's where the writers are headed.
He got his MBA from an apparently very elite English university; he won't let the hotel employees suffer abuse; I think he will get through that interview (with the new questions) with flying colors.
In Korea, a child born to a married woman can only be registered as her husband’s child, even if the husband is not the biological father. No other name can be designated as the father.
🚨🚨🚨 TK and YD better get their marriage registered STAT!
For a birth out of wedlock, the law dictates that “The report. . .shall be filed by the mother.” Fathers cannot register their children. Before 2015, the law dictated that only a mother had the right to do so. After 2015, the law lays out exceptions of when the father is eligible to register but it is a very difficult process.
In case of unmarried couples, the birth father has no parental rights and obligations until his paternity (DNA) is established.
My Comment: The above helps explain to us non-Koreans what Yeon Do may have been thinking when she said “Real” has no father, [he] only has a mother. If she and TK are not married, she cannot identify him as the father – that would be considered fraud. I think most Korean viewers understand that the two of them have created a big mess for themselves/the baby and they are screaming at the screen – get down to the registration office right now!
If I find the time, I’ll put a more substantive summary together for the discussion topic forum with links to articles and other sources.
https://www.soompi.com/article/1595872wpp/all-of-us-are-dead-and-alchemy-of-souls-star-yoo-in-soo-makes-dramatic-transformation-for-the-uncanny-counter-2
"Yoo In Soo will be joining the cast as new character Na Jeok Bong, a harmless and naive country boy. Jeok Bong lives a simple and peaceful life as a farmer, where he wears a cheerful smile even while breaking a sweat shoveling cow dung.. . . . .
Yoo In Soo humbly confessed to feeling nervous about whether his acting might drag down the drama, remarking, “As a viewer who really enjoyed watching Season 1, I worried a lot when I heard that I’d be part of ‘The Uncanny Counter 2.'”
However, he went on to express confidence in his character, teasing, “Although Na Jeok Bong might be unsophisticated, please look forward to seeing him as a new superhero who knows how to fight back.”
His character is different from the webtoon - not sure how much, but I read somewhere that he doesn't play the guitar and he is "country boy". Side note: Yoo In Soo has been juggling several different dramas since August 2022: The Good Bad Mom (late August 2022); returned to AOS for final filming in September; Daily Dose of Sunshine (I think he is guest role as patient?); UC2 and movie You Did Great during winter and early 2023. This year (2023) is HIS year.
He is adorable in whatever role he plays. How am I going to wait for July 29??
If CM is TK's bio father, it means he cheated on his first wife. Possible but. . . . I don't see it. The most likely scenario to me right now is that she was married to TK's father and he died so she had to raise him alone. But, that could all change in a nano-second with a never-before-seen, but poorly-hidden document that someone finds at some critical point. 🤣🤣🤣
SJ was not YD 2.0. According to the KBS web site :
"For him [JH}, who also thought that marriage was a kind of investment, Yondu is a stable investment. However, he changes his mind when he meets a woman who wants to gamble."
I don't understand the concept of the word "gamble" but it is the opposite of "stable".
But a significant factor is that biological fathers have almost ZERO rights in Korea. Joon Ha can wreak havoc if he learns the truth, but he won't be able to get custody or even visitation rights.
1. Question: Who KNOWS (suspicion doesn't count) that bio dad is JH?
My Answer: TK and YD only [correct? incorrect?]
2. Question: Who KNOWS that TK is not the bio dad?
My Answer: TK/YD (of course) plus Uncle DS?
3. Question: Who knows that TK and YD did not register their marriage
My Answer: Only TK and YD
4. Question: Who knows that Hyun Woo and Ji Myeong signed a “co-parenting” agreement allowing separate private lives?
My Answer: The pharmacist lady and Ji Myeong’ co-worker(?).
5. Question: who knows that SJ is the woman that JH wanted to marry? Or, that he cheated with? This is one of THE biggest secrets of all – destined to be revealed at THE perfect moment
My Answer: Noone(?).
6. Question: who knows that older brother (Chun Myung) and wife (Soo Yeong) are contemplating sperm donor?
My answer: Yeon Doo and cleaning lady/uncle’s former girlfriend (but she doesn't know identity of couple (?))
7. Question: Was In Ok a “single” mother or an “unwed” mother. There is a big difference in Korean culture/society.
My Answer: I don’t know the answer!?? I was under the impression that she was an unwed (never married) mother, but upon re-watching a couple of episodes, she simply mentions raising TK “alone”.
Like any good soap opera, plot and narrative depend on "secrets", specifically the FEAR of a secret becoming known and imploding at any moment (episode cliffhangers!). Some are revealed slowly over time and others wait and percolate until THE perfect moment for reveal. Other "secrets" may simply be big gaping unknowns at this point - the identity of TK's bio father; Joon Ha's family history (totally unknown,. And some secrets may remain secrets to the very end.
Since they involve spoilers from earlier episodes, my questions are below.
EVERY soap opera in the United states (both nighttime and daytime) has included at least one never-before-seen-or-heard-of-child that appears out of nowhere. And the reason that the mother and/or father never mentioned it on screen prior to that appearance is. . . . drum roll. . . it was simply too painful to talk about.
I am fully on the twin bandwagon now - half brothers with the same car and suits won't cut it. But as a twin mom, I'm a biased, of course. If we see In Ok go into her bedroom, open up a jewelry box or something and look inside and pull out a photo - put a fork in it because it is done. 😊
I'm looking forward to finding out the answer regardless of what it may be - I'm just happy that JH has a backstory, mysterious as it may be at this time. Again, thanks for the info - I'm going to be spending this week (since nothing else is airing mid-week) re-watching early episodes.
In Korea, a couple registers w/two witnesses at a government office and once the paperwork is completed/submitted/approved - they are legally married. A ceremony or officiant is not required. Here is the best link I could find:
https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/south-korea/family/marriage-partnerships/marriage-registration
In the US, requirements differ by state, but the couple fills out paperwork to get a license to marry and then once the ceremony is conducted, witnesses and the officiant sign the marriage certificate - and it is the marriage certificate that is sent to the local government office. I checked my local jurisdiction using my own last name and it was easily found , together with hubby's name and wedding date, on the government website. The certificate itself is private.
I'm pretty sure that if someone searches for Yeon Do's name in the registry, they will be able to determine if they did - or did not - register. Right now, I don't see the writers going down that path, but we shall see. 😊
During my deep dive yesterday, I thought I had read every article and watched every video but definitely did not see JEJ’s interview regarding his character and “secret”. Will have to do more searching. This actually makes me happy because it means the character isn’t a mere plot device – and we will eventually learn his back-story and that will explain some of his motivation.
I started to re-watch earlier episodes over the weekend (apparently the hot kiss in Ep. 1 Korean preview was a big deal!) and also noticed the matching suits/cars, etc. TK was an absolute prick to JH in the elevator before he even knew his connection to Yeon Doo (although he put it together soon thereafter). But if it means anything, I don’t see half brothers (same father, different moms). I see twins. They are the same age, after all. (You may recall, I’m a mother of boy/girl twins). Heh, I wonder if we are going to get a same birth date episode. TK surrounded by family, JH alone. Time will tell.
Another hint: JH was a featured speaker at the unwed mother show, talking about how to be financially independent – a reflection on what happened with his mother? Since apparently there IS a mystery to be revealed regarding JH (thank you for that info!!), I might start a discussion topic on him so I can collect info all in one place and keep it off the main board.
Another (and my last) trigger warning: I’ve been shipping JH and SJ from the very first episode, but stayed quiet because I’m not up for a war on the forum. They will be together, they will be redeemed, and chances are good they will have a baby. I like all four couples (five if younger sister/brother are included) and believe all will get a happy ending, but JH/SJ’s journey is the one with the most twists and turns and therefor the most interesting (to me).
Thanks again for the explanations and little factoids.
Where the hell did THAT come from (the bro part)??
However, you are kinda sort going down a path similar to me. Trigger warning: I am a big fan of Jung Eui Jae and his portrayal of JH. Of the entire cast, JH is the only one with NO family, NO history, NO backstory other than became a star investor and then internet influencer.
Is the character (one of only four main characters) merely a plot device with no story or information that tells the viewer why he is so cold and calculating?? Maybe. What a waste of story/character if true since the writers have done a pretty decent job of explaining everyone else's family history and motivations.
I did a deep dive on the internet today - only a handful of cryptic hints re: JH character. I'm thinking maybe orphanage/foster homes/no love as a child.
Which is why I'm curious how you came up with the half bro of TK.