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More like unserious.

She also said not to bother her because she's doing this for fun in her free time. Pestering her is unlikely to make the experience of subbing more fun for her, so I suggest people chill out.

Fansubs come out when they come out.

I'm 8 episodes in and while I was very impressed by the realistic and nuanced characterisation in this drama when I started it, it's getting harder and harder to keep going. I don't like that the drama follows Yukichi's journey instead of Takuro's when Yukichi is far less interesting and sympathetic to me. He's an emotionally repressed boomer who was a terrible father to his son for 20 years and a not-great husband, and now he feels bad that he's estranged from his only living family but isn't doing anything about it? I'm sorry, I don't care! All of his problems are of his own making, he's hurt Takuro immeasurably and he has a thousand cowardly rationalisations for not apologising and not doing the work to repair their relationship, so he deserves to suffer. While I want them to make up for Takuro's sake, since he clearly loves and misses his father, Yukichi is, again, not doing anything about it, so... why does the drama spend 80% of its time on his fruitless brooding sessions in his stupid café? His angst doesn't touch me.

Azu is a nuanced character and a pretty realistic and sympathetic portrayal of a troubled young woman that avoids falling into lazy clichés, gender stereotypes and moralising, but at the same time... she's not particularly likeable.

Basically, Takuro is the only main character I like and he gets the least amount of screen time. Also absolutely nothing happens! When a drama is 100% character development, 0% plot, the characters need to be engaging, but again, Yukichi's self-pity only makes me angry because he sits around all day diagnosing his own flaws only to decide he's being too harsh on himself (when he's not being harsh enough given all the shit he put Takuro and Megumi through!) and that there’s nothing he can do to change, and Azu's big baby emotions and self-absorption make me roll my eyes.

BTW, can I just say how stupid the whole ‘Takuro killed his mother’ thing becomes once you actually watch the flashback scene and realise she was shaking and pulling his arm and shouting in his face while he was driving? The accident was entirely her fault? Why does no one acknowledge this?

Uh, no, the genre is romantic melodrama, that's the whole purpose of the drama lol. The main characters used to be in love with each other and clearly still carry a lot of unresolved feelings (as evidenced by the fact they both cried when they saw each other!) and the fact they want to be able to communicate is not random.

Learning new methods of communication that can include more people in social life is clearly a good thing no matter who you are, but Tsumugi spent years wanting to talk to Sou (and to hear his voice again) and now that she's met him again and he's tried to rebuff her because he feels bad that they can no longer communicate the way they did before, instead of accepting that he wants nothing to do with her, she's going to hunt him down and initiate a conversation on his terms, and learn how to sign just so she can convince him to talk to her?

Those are some pretty deep emotions to be feeling toward your ex, I'll just say that lol. Most people don't want to talk to their exes enough to wait for them at a metro station multiple times after glimpsing them once from afar, let alone enough to enrol in language classes just to have another conversation after getting shut down once.

Uh, there will definitely be emotional infidelity (like, she's going to start learning sign language for her ex-boyfriend IN EPISODE TWO) and a messy breakup at a minimum.

I doubt there will be 'cheating' in the sense of scenes of physical intimacy pursued behind the FL's boyfriend's back, but clearly the main leads will have a deep emotional connection while she is still in a relationship.

Episode 1 was so good! I get the sense there will be a lot of pain in this drama, though... which is fine with me as long as we get a happy ending!

Thank you very much for the reply! I saw the answer in your Discord after I asked... Thanks again for subbing this drama! I loved the first episode.

Thank you very much for the quick subs! I downloaded the file, but I'm not sure where to find the raw version. What site should I get the video file from?

He also most resembles the child actor playing Yoonjae IMO.

That said, Baek Moongang could have easily reported his wife's death to the police and said he found an intruder going through his stuff when he got home and the intruder tried to flee and pushed BMG's wife to her death on his way out of the house. This claim would have been almost impossible to disprove. Instead, BMG decided to hide her body in a freezer, thus making himself look guilty and also making it impossible for the coroner to determine her time of death precisely and link it to the time window when there was an intruder in their house (assuming he was caught on CCTV somewhere nearby)... The lesson here is: don't conceal crimes you can easily pin on other people! RSJ is lucky BMG is not that smart.

Why the heck does Ryu Sungjoon put himself in a position to get framed for more and more murders every episode instead of clearing himself of suspicion for at least some of them? Every time he enters a room alone I know there's gonna be a dead body in there.

I think the facial expressions of the ‘nice’ software engineer guy and the sushi chef and the camera’s attention to them when Eunki asked about RSJ at the meeting with the jurors both suggest they know more about what’s going on than they let on. Is it possible they’re both from the facility?

I hope that's not the case because it would be contrived and unrealistic and I don't get the obsession with glorifying serial killers.

It's also obviously not going to happen.

Yeah, I also started thinking about that after I wrote my comment. It could be that the police chief and BMG only recognised the necklace because Jung Yoonjae came to the orphanage with it, but the other children didn’t necessarily know about it because they were all given tracksuit uniforms instead of their own clothes… but it’s not a very convincing argument. RSH knowing RSJ’s necklace is a big possibility that weakens my argument.

Sorry for the late reply, but illegal streaming sites tend to lift the first subs they can find because they're in a race to be the first to release a subbed version of whatever drama/movie. And if better subs appear later on, they don't bother to update them. It annoys me a lot too.

I think Sunghoon is doing it for Jung Yoonjae but doesn’t realise Jung Yoonjae is Sungjoon.

As I and probably many others suspected, Ryu Sungjoon seems to be Jung Yoonjae and Ryu Sunghoon might be boy #11, who organised the escape from the facility. (We have seen nothing concrete linking RSH to #11 yet, but their personalities and age relative to RSJ/JYJ's seem to match and the child actor playing #11 kinda resembles Ha Seokjin.)

Now, I am extremely sceptical of the idea RSJ is the revenge killer or involved in the murders at all; he seems to have no memory of the facility, and as the shaman lady said, he's not even aware of his real identity.

However, the killer or killers are introducing themselves as 'Jung Yoonjae' while taking revenge on Baek Moongang and his past accomplices. This suggests to me that the killers are boys from the facility.

As for why they would introduce themselves as JYJ, there are two possibilities: either to frame JYJ/RSJ for the murders OR to take revenge on his behalf, because they think he was BMG's biggest victim and it would be most meaningful to use his name.

I don't entirely discount the first possibility, but it would require some reason for the murderers to be conspiring to frame RSJ and I don't think it's easy to come up with a good one if they are indeed other victims of BMG. My theory is actually that the second possibility is true: the killers are using Yoonjae's name because they're taking revenge in his memory. BECAUSE THEY THINK HE'S DEAD.

Especially if Sunghoon is part of the murder conspiracy, which is my working assumption, the perpetrators won't want to make RSJ the scapegoat for their crimes. But if they don't know RSJ is JYJ or even that JYJ is alive, they won't be afraid to use that alias.

Also, given all the horrors that we already know transpired in the facility, the only reason Yoonjae would be considered its biggest victim (and Sunghoon would stare angstily at ball #13 during the jury selection scene in ep. 1 and so on) could be that the murderer(s) think he died during the escape attempt. Like, they were all tortured and beaten on the regular, so what makes JYJ special? He must have suffered a fate even worse than the other boys'. Well, the most logical idea that comes to mind is that he was killed, or so the Joker murderers think.

So to sum up, my theory is that JYJ, who was hiding underneath the floorboards the last time we saw him in the flashback timeline, was captured by BMG, something really terrible happened to him, boy #11 and any other possible survivors believed JYJ died, then boy #11 (and possibly some others) got out and eventually hatched a plan to punish all the adults involved in running the facility and decided to use JYJ's name as their calling card.

JYJ, meanwhile, somehow survived, lost his memory, and was adopted by the Ryu family, either long before or long after Ryu Sunghoon joined them (because if they were both adopted soon after escaping the facility, Sunghoon should have recognised his face). And RSH doesn't know his younger brother is actually JYJ. The end!

Sorry for the massive comment, but I wanted to lay out every detail clearly. Do let me know if there are any big problems with this theory.

I'm still getting through episode 4, but I just got to the point where the police chief saw the necklace (this should be vague enough not to spoil you if you haven't seen the episode yet) and I've started to flesh out a theory:

I'm enjoying the drama so far and don't mind Esther Yu's mannerisms in this role, but I swear you guys discover the concept of free speech all over again every drama. "What do you want her to do?" Like not get cast in this role, probably. People are free to think that!

lmao grow up. This is a discussion board for a drama, not a fan page for the actors. People are SUPPOSED to post positive and negative opinions and everything in between.