Santa’s characters can not really be bi/gay as he is shown, indeed, because he and Earth’s character have been sleeping in each other’s arms, and nothing has happened. But both of them were bi/gay, it would have been absolutely impossible due to how male physiology works.
NOT only the confession scene is the apotheosis of the “I am not gay, but I will be gay for you” nonsense, but it is also absurd because Santa’s character was just barely dragging himself because he is dead drunk, so his mumbling in this state does not actually matter. And he all of a sudden becomes nearly sober.
Earth’s character’s mother sudden illness has nothing to do with the core story and was only inserted to justify the episode count growing from 12 to 14 episodes, but it is THE BEST thing the scenarists has done in the whole series because this is a warning about the deadliness of having a tobacco smoker around, let alone smoking yourself. There are still people who are tragically stilly about this. And many still are afraid to go to doctors. Though many countries do not have free healthcare, so they can not.
In this series, just like nearly all other that feature hospitals, characters secretly become insanely rich to afford a spacious one-person room. The reality it is because it is cheap to film to pay for a permission to film in an actual hospital room with lots of patients or to recreate somewhere. But the result is ridiculous.
I didn't hate this, but I can't say I enjoyed watching it. I will say that the first few episodes were intriguing…
That said, the bulk of people worldwide are toxic one way or another, so maybe it is good that the series is portraying real people and real relationships because most other series already overdoing the classic rosy ponies and ranbows stories? Not sure, so it all depends on how it is done: whether what happens is believable or the screenplay is sloppy.
I was just gonna comment the same thing! I am rewatching my fave BL’s that I saw for the first time a year ago…
For Peak, watching Make It Right is a must. That series has its own issues, but it is so realistic and bold in some aspects that this alone makes it worth it. Lads there behave as real lads that are not eunuchs in abstinence and celibate, unlike near all other series that are absolutely fake in this key believability issue.
That series also has maybe the best love confession scene I have seen in any BL series so far.
okay do i droped this. watched all of ep 1 and 2 and I just cant. the crying and the whining and the overdrawn…
Cahoot’s most prominent use in series is crying, so scenarists are overdoing it.
And yes, this is mostly “nothing happens” type of series that was made for people who like the lads. SantaEarth was a big couple back in the day before the agencies switching has split them, so people have watched this just for the sake of the couple as there is not much else to the series.
I am not a turbo fan of anyone in any series, but I am watching BL for the lads in general (for stories we can go to Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Wired, Rome), so I will get through this series anyway. Just seeing Santa and Peak is bringing me pleasure.
The scenario, however, is the tired trope about, by all accounts, a straight lad that has all of a sudden turned gay (or bi) at the age that it too late for such discovery, so it is not believable.
BTW, I like Perth, too, though is not he shorter than Santa? It should not matter much, though, as the agency is making the shorter lads to use shoes with “K-Pop soles”. But I wonder why the agency has decided to go with PerthSanta rather SantaPerth. The latter could have worked just as good as there is nothing much specifically “bottom” about Santa. (Though I find this dichotomy stupid anyway becaue most gays are versatile.)
The relationship dynamics is not that believable because if you know that you are doomed to die in twelve days, you are devastated and numb, and the last thing you want is to get attached to one more person to lose.
So, realistically, the lads would have been detached this whole time, only maybe engaging in fun with each other to satisfy biological needs, but not being chummy and cute otherwise.
If get to know a lad whose all relationships have never lasted more than a week, run away. This means he is unbearable. But with the way this lad is portrayed, it is not believable.
And considering that he has hit the over lad on the head over relationship that did not even last a week, I would say that the hitter is mentally unstable and dangerous. A PSA: do not date people like that.
“Democratic protesters” is the code word for regime change actors, often paid and armed by the likes of the CIA, Mi-6, Mossad, etc. Be it recent violent riots in Iran or Tiananmen Square, it is almost never actual “democratic protests”.
It makes no sense that the crazy murderous lass is all of a sudden surprised and crying that her maniac killer boyfriend was killed in defence from his attemp to commit one more cruel murder. Especially with them all dying in a few days anyway.
Not quite believable that the curlers lady has lost her husband to AIDS in any recent years because the issue is basically solved for a while by now.
Also, it is not believable that one of the lad as well as the lady’s relatives would be afraid of her because she has the HIV. It is not the 1980s when this was happening in Thailand, indeed.
When you start to remember things after amnesia you are not experiencing any headaches or whistling sounds.
The curlers lady claims she is old, but it is not believable. She has more than half of her life ahead still.
When you try to explain your wrongdoing, you do not go with the filler nonsense like “Calm down”, “Let me explain myself” and “I did not mean it”, you go straight to the point, so this scriptwriting is bad here. It is perfectly understandable explanation that he has had a a jealous rage case. But the writers has made him not explaining anything to milk some drama out of thin air.
WHAT? The twink thinks the other lad has tried to KILL him? With a flimsy guitar? What kind of nonsense is that? I know the scriptwriters are at it again, trying to overdramatise things unnaturally.
If the curlers last has decided to die in her flat when the mop hits earth, then it is makes no sense that he is choosing to die in the rubble, possibly in an accessibly gruesome death. In reality, she would have cared to get some sedatives to go away on her own terms right before the disaster.
There are no reasons why the second lads couple has joined the crazy cannibal lass and her murderous psycho maniac boyfriend.
After shooting the crazy lass, why did not the lad also shoot the other two maniacs? It makes no sense. He has already killed a couple of people and they all would die in days anyway.
Why some old guy is walking with tubes in his nose with no issues breathing himself other than occasional coughs?
The physical fights are filmed much better than usual, though due to the series cheap production I am afraid this was to the detriment of the actors.
The level of gruesomeness in terms how this series show violence towards its end also deserves the highest praise: this is very close to the perfect realism.
Other everts are still silly. The lads have dragged the time for so long that they are going to be too late to get to the bunker.
The final after-credit scene that shows the twink awakening from a dream with his head does not make much sense this moment was already after the doomsday was established as a reality in this series.
GENERAL setting issues: 1. no way the moon could have ever drop onto the Earth, but lets suspend disbelief on that. 2. However, no bunkers would be ever able to save anyone in this situation, but lets suspend disbelief once again 3. It is not possible to make bunkers for 80% of the population, it is like a couple of orders of magnitude bigger percentage than what is feasible, but lets suspend disbelief here, too. 4. Still, there is no reason why the bunker gates get closed 12 days prior to the impact. One could suggest this is to cure some huge additional concrete blocks in the front of the doors, but then it would still make no sense because it is not feasible to do this in this time not even remotely, let alone to procure this amount of concrete. 5. The series characters do not behave like the world is ending in days, even though they all are doomed one way or another. The sense of utter pointless would have been the overwhelming emotion, not the romance and happy moments shown in the series.
i just started & i think it's messed-up. u can watch it on Youtube. (edited: FYI dropped this)
Many viewers are very young, so they are new to watching tragic stories. Because of this they are emotionally affected way more than experienced viewers. For many people a story with major characters dying automatically becomes a masterpiece, even though it is not even remotely so.
"I still have not seen any Thai BL series that gets violence and gangs portrayed anywhere close to reality."Have…
I did not watch Bangkok Boys, but it is the plan.
In MSP they at least did not show the couple a year later still pretending to be eunuchs, unlike this series. In MSP they mercily end the story soon.
This issue is most prominent with GMMTV series because they have ties to the ministry of education of Thailand, and they do not like the youth to be depicted promiscuous, so things have to be platonic, and no cheating etc. And they also famously push for specific higher education like engineering and medical. it is not a coincidence that most series feature those, not something else.
EDIT: I decided to watch it complete, after all. I am watching it for the lads, so still worth it. 7/10 rating…
The relationship dynamics is not that believable because if you know that you are doomed to die in twelve days, you are devastated and numb, and the last thing you want is to get attached to one more person to lose.
So, realistically, the lads would have been detached this whole time, only maybe engaging in fun with each other to satisfy biological needs, but not being chummy and cute otherwise.
If get to know a lad whose all relationships have never lasted more than a week, run away. This means he is unbearable. But with the way this lad is portrayed, it is not believable.
And considering that he has hit the over lad on the head over relationship that did not even last a week, I would say that the hitter is mentally unstable and dangerous. A PSA: do not date people like that.
“Democratic protesters” is the code word for regime change actors, often paid and armed by the likes of the CIA, Mi-6, Mossad, etc. Be it recent violent riots in Iran or Tiananmen Square, it is almost never actual “democratic protests”.
It makes no sense that the crazy murderous lass is all of a sudden surprised and crying that her maniac killer boyfriend was killed in defence from his attemp to commit one more cruel murder. Especially with them all dying in a few days anyway.
Not quite believable that the curlers lady has lost her husband to AIDS in any recent years because the issue is basically solved for a while by now.
Also, it is not believable that one of the lad as well as the lady’s relatives would be afraid of her because she has the HIV. It is not the 1980s when this was happening in Thailand, indeed.
When you start to remember things after amnesia you are not experiencing any headaches or whistling sounds.
The curlers lady claims she is old, but it is not believable. She has more than half of her life ahead still.
When you try to explain your wrongdoing, you do not go with the filler nonsense like “Calm down”, “Let me explain myself” and “I did not mean it”, you go straight to the point, so this scriptwriting is bad here. It is perfectly understandable explanation that he has had a a jealous rage case. But the writers has made him not explaining anything to milk some drama out of thin air.
WHAT? The twink thinks the other lad has tried to KILL him? With a flimsy guitar? What kind of nonsense is that? I know the scriptwriters are at it again, trying to overdramatise things unnaturally.
If the curlers last has decided to die in her flat when the mop hits earth, then it is makes no sense that he is choosing to die in the rubble, possibly in an accessibly gruesome death. In reality, she would have cared to get some sedatives to go away on her own terms right before the disaster.
There are no reasons why the second lads couple has joined the crazy cannibal lass and her murderous psycho maniac boyfriend.
After shooting the crazy lass, why did not the lad also shoot the other two maniacs? It makes no sense. He has already killed a couple of people and they all would die in days anyway.
Why some old guy is walking with tubes in his nose with no issues breathing himself other than occasional coughs?
The physical fights are filmed much better than usual, though due to the series cheap production I am afraid this was to the detriment of the actors.
The level of gruesomeness in terms how this series show violence towards its end also deserves the highest praise: this is very close to the perfect realism.
Other everts are still silly. The lads have dragged the time for so long that they are going to be too late to get to the bunker.
The final after-credit scene that shows the twink awakening from a dream with his head does not make much sense this moment was already after the doomsday was established as a reality in this series.
GENERAL setting issues: 1. no way the moon could have ever drop onto the Earth, but lets suspend disbelief on that. 2. However, no bunkers would be ever able to save anyone in this situation, but lets suspend disbelief once again 3. It is not possible to make bunkers for 80% of the population, it is like a couple of orders of magnitude bigger percentage than what is feasible, but lets suspend disbelief here, too. 4. Still, there is no reason why the bunker gates get closed 12 days prior to the impact. One could suggest this is to cure some huge additional concrete blocks in the front of the doors, but then it would still make no sense because it is not feasible to do this in this time not even remotely, let alone to procure this amount of concrete. 5. The series characters do not behave like the world is ending in days, even though they all are doomed one way or another. The sense of utter pointless would have been the overwhelming emotion, not the romance and happy moments shown in the series.
You did not immediately recognise him beause this is an old series before his prime and before he has did a nose…
Did you read what I wrote attentively? I wrote “subset”, not “all”.
The point we can totally judge sexuality of people in certain cases, while in your previous response you were saying that we can not.
So we do know that some actors are actually gay regardless if they directly announce it or not. But for others, we have to rely on their announcements and dating history as it is impossible to determine otherwise.
You did not immediately recognise him beause this is an old series before his prime and before he has did a nose…
As I mentioned, you can totally believe that an actor is straight, if he has never said or indicated in anyway that he anything but straight even after many years. Nothing unrealistic or homophobic about that.
So if we have newbies in the business, no need to hurry with conclusions.
EDIT: I decided to watch it complete, after all. I am watching it for the lads, so still worth it. 7/10 rating is positive, and it is because of them (lots of issues with the script). ___________________
I AM BAFFLED.
Some say this series is a masterpiece and others say they could not survive it pass its second episode, and there are lots of issues with the script (what happens makes no sense in nearly every way).
I am watching the first episode now, and it is an awkward production due to low budget, uneven sound accompaniment and some suboptimal direction choices. And one of the actors might be too old for his role, though he is playing well.
But maybe it somehow becomes incredible later on, will it? Or maybe people are just too mesmerised with the leading couple because they are really good actors (and they are, I know one of them from What The Duck series)?
I know the main issues here are the script and directing, but seeing Win in promotional materials were you excited because you like his acting or because he is cute?
From what I gather some do not praise his acting skills, while others find it good enough and focus on his lacuous lips they would like to kiss.
male physiology works.
NOT only the confession scene is the apotheosis of the “I am not gay, but I will be gay for you” nonsense, but it is also absurd because Santa’s character was just barely dragging himself because he is dead drunk, so his mumbling in this state does not actually matter. And he all of a sudden becomes nearly sober.
Earth’s character’s mother sudden illness has nothing to do with the core story and was only inserted to justify the episode count growing from 12 to 14 episodes, but it is THE BEST thing the scenarists has done in the whole series because this is a warning about the deadliness of having a tobacco smoker around, let alone smoking yourself. There are still people who are tragically stilly about this. And many still are afraid to go to doctors. Though many countries do not have free healthcare, so they can not.
In this series, just like nearly all other that feature hospitals, characters secretly become insanely rich to afford a spacious one-person room. The reality it is because it is cheap to film to pay for a permission to film in an actual hospital room with lots of patients or to recreate somewhere. But the result is ridiculous.
That series also has maybe the best love confession scene I have seen in any BL series so far.
And yes, this is mostly “nothing happens” type of series that was made for people who like the lads. SantaEarth was a big couple back in the day before the agencies switching has split them, so people have watched this just for the sake of the couple as there is not much else to the series.
I am not a turbo fan of anyone in any series, but I am watching BL for the lads in general (for stories we can go to Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Wired, Rome), so I will get through this series anyway. Just seeing Santa and Peak is bringing me pleasure.
The scenario, however, is the tired trope about, by all accounts, a straight lad that has all of a sudden turned gay (or bi) at the age that it too late for such discovery, so it is not believable.
BTW, I like Perth, too, though is not he shorter than Santa? It should not matter much, though, as the agency is making the shorter lads to use shoes with “K-Pop soles”. But I wonder why the agency has decided to go with PerthSanta rather SantaPerth. The latter could have worked just as good as there is nothing much specifically “bottom” about Santa. (Though I find this dichotomy stupid anyway becaue most gays are versatile.)
So, realistically, the lads would have been detached this whole time, only maybe engaging in fun with each other to satisfy biological needs, but not being chummy and cute otherwise.
If get to know a lad whose all relationships have never lasted more than a week, run away. This means he is unbearable. But with the way this lad is portrayed, it is not believable.
And considering that he has hit the over lad on the head over relationship that did not even last a week, I would say that the hitter is mentally unstable and dangerous. A PSA: do not date people like that.
“Democratic protesters” is the code word for regime change actors, often paid and armed by the likes of the CIA, Mi-6, Mossad, etc. Be it recent violent riots in Iran or Tiananmen Square, it is almost never actual “democratic protests”.
It makes no sense that the crazy murderous lass is all of a sudden surprised and crying that her maniac killer boyfriend was killed in defence from his attemp to commit one more cruel murder. Especially with them all dying in a few days anyway.
Not quite believable that the curlers lady has lost her husband to AIDS in any recent years because the issue is basically solved for a while by now.
Also, it is not believable that one of the lad as well as the lady’s relatives would be afraid of her because she has the HIV. It is not the 1980s when this was happening in Thailand, indeed.
When you start to remember things after amnesia you are not experiencing any headaches or whistling sounds.
The curlers lady claims she is old, but it is not believable. She has more than half of her life ahead still.
When you try to explain your wrongdoing, you do not go with the filler nonsense like “Calm down”, “Let me explain myself” and “I did not mean it”, you go straight to the point, so this scriptwriting is bad here. It is perfectly understandable explanation that he has had a a jealous rage case. But the writers has made him not explaining anything to milk some drama out of thin air.
WHAT? The twink thinks the other lad has tried to KILL him? With a flimsy guitar? What kind of nonsense is that? I know the scriptwriters are at it again, trying to overdramatise things unnaturally.
If the curlers last has decided to die in her flat when the mop hits earth, then it is makes no sense that he is choosing to die in the rubble, possibly in an accessibly gruesome death. In reality, she would have cared to get some sedatives to go away on her own terms right before the disaster.
There are no reasons why the second lads couple has joined the crazy cannibal lass and her murderous psycho maniac boyfriend.
After shooting the crazy lass, why did not the lad also shoot the other two maniacs? It makes no sense. He has already killed a couple of people and they all would die in days anyway.
Why some old guy is walking with tubes in his nose with no issues breathing himself other than occasional coughs?
The physical fights are filmed much better than usual, though due to the series cheap production I am afraid this was to the detriment of the actors.
The level of gruesomeness in terms how this series show violence towards its end also deserves the highest praise: this is very close to the perfect realism.
Other everts are still silly. The lads have dragged the time for so long that they are going to be too late to get to the bunker.
The final after-credit scene that shows the twink awakening from a dream with his head does not make much sense this moment was already after the doomsday was established as a reality in this series.
GENERAL setting issues:
1. no way the moon could have ever drop onto the Earth, but lets suspend disbelief on that.
2. However, no bunkers would be ever able to save anyone in this situation, but lets suspend disbelief once again
3. It is not possible to make bunkers for 80% of the population, it is like a couple of orders of magnitude bigger percentage than what is feasible, but lets suspend disbelief here, too.
4. Still, there is no reason why the bunker gates get closed 12 days prior to the impact. One could suggest this is to cure some huge additional concrete blocks in the front of the doors, but then it would still make no sense because it is not feasible to do this in this time not even remotely, let alone to procure this amount of concrete.
5. The series characters do not behave like the world is ending in days, even though they all are doomed one way or another. The sense of utter pointless would have been the overwhelming emotion, not the romance and happy moments shown in the series.
In MSP they at least did not show the couple a year later still pretending to be eunuchs, unlike this series. In MSP they mercily end the story soon.
This issue is most prominent with GMMTV series because they have ties to the ministry of education of Thailand, and they do not like the youth to be depicted promiscuous, so things have to be platonic, and no cheating etc. And they also famously push for specific higher education like engineering and medical. it is not a coincidence that most series feature those, not something else.
So, realistically, the lads would have been detached this whole time, only maybe engaging in fun with each other to satisfy biological needs, but not being chummy and cute otherwise.
If get to know a lad whose all relationships have never lasted more than a week, run away. This means he is unbearable. But with the way this lad is portrayed, it is not believable.
And considering that he has hit the over lad on the head over relationship that did not even last a week, I would say that the hitter is mentally unstable and dangerous. A PSA: do not date people like that.
“Democratic protesters” is the code word for regime change actors, often paid and armed by the likes of the CIA, Mi-6, Mossad, etc. Be it recent violent riots in Iran or Tiananmen Square, it is almost never actual “democratic protests”.
It makes no sense that the crazy murderous lass is all of a sudden surprised and crying that her maniac killer boyfriend was killed in defence from his attemp to commit one more cruel murder. Especially with them all dying in a few days anyway.
Not quite believable that the curlers lady has lost her husband to AIDS in any recent years because the issue is basically solved for a while by now.
Also, it is not believable that one of the lad as well as the lady’s relatives would be afraid of her because she has the HIV. It is not the 1980s when this was happening in Thailand, indeed.
When you start to remember things after amnesia you are not experiencing any headaches or whistling sounds.
The curlers lady claims she is old, but it is not believable. She has more than half of her life ahead still.
When you try to explain your wrongdoing, you do not go with the filler nonsense like “Calm down”, “Let me explain myself” and “I did not mean it”, you go straight to the point, so this scriptwriting is bad here. It is perfectly understandable explanation that he has had a a jealous rage case. But the writers has made him not explaining anything to milk some drama out of thin air.
WHAT? The twink thinks the other lad has tried to KILL him? With a flimsy guitar? What kind of nonsense is that? I know the scriptwriters are at it again, trying to overdramatise things unnaturally.
If the curlers last has decided to die in her flat when the mop hits earth, then it is makes no sense that he is choosing to die in the rubble, possibly in an accessibly gruesome death. In reality, she would have cared to get some sedatives to go away on her own terms right before the disaster.
There are no reasons why the second lads couple has joined the crazy cannibal lass and her murderous psycho maniac boyfriend.
After shooting the crazy lass, why did not the lad also shoot the other two maniacs? It makes no sense. He has already killed a couple of people and they all would die in days anyway.
Why some old guy is walking with tubes in his nose with no issues breathing himself other than occasional coughs?
The physical fights are filmed much better than usual, though due to the series cheap production I am afraid this was to the detriment of the actors.
The level of gruesomeness in terms how this series show violence towards its end also deserves the highest praise: this is very close to the perfect realism.
Other everts are still silly. The lads have dragged the time for so long that they are going to be too late to get to the bunker.
The final after-credit scene that shows the twink awakening from a dream with his head does not make much sense this moment was already after the doomsday was established as a reality in this series.
GENERAL setting issues:
1. no way the moon could have ever drop onto the Earth, but lets suspend disbelief on that.
2. However, no bunkers would be ever able to save anyone in this situation, but lets suspend disbelief once again
3. It is not possible to make bunkers for 80% of the population, it is like a couple of orders of magnitude bigger percentage than what is feasible, but lets suspend disbelief here, too.
4. Still, there is no reason why the bunker gates get closed 12 days prior to the impact. One could suggest this is to cure some huge additional concrete blocks in the front of the doors, but then it would still make no sense because it is not feasible to do this in this time not even remotely, let alone to procure this amount of concrete.
5. The series characters do not behave like the world is ending in days, even though they all are doomed one way or another. The sense of utter pointless would have been the overwhelming emotion, not the romance and happy moments shown in the series.
The point we can totally judge sexuality of people in certain cases, while in your previous response you were saying that we can not.
So we do know that some actors are actually gay regardless if they directly announce it or not. But for others, we have to rely on their announcements and dating history as it is impossible to determine otherwise.
So if we have newbies in the business, no need to hurry with conclusions.
___________________
I AM BAFFLED.
Some say this series is a masterpiece and others say they could not survive it pass its second episode, and there are lots of issues with the script (what happens makes no sense in nearly every way).
I am watching the first episode now, and it is an awkward production due to low budget, uneven sound accompaniment and some suboptimal direction choices. And one of the actors might be too old for his role, though he is playing well.
But maybe it somehow becomes incredible later on, will it? Or maybe people are just too mesmerised with the leading couple because they are really good actors (and they are, I know one of them from What The Duck series)?
From what I gather some do not praise his acting skills, while others find it good enough and focus on his lacuous lips they would like to kiss.
He certainly has screen presence.