And this was Sunny's response : @Dark Heart Attack When you want to share a personal reflection, just say clearly…
You have 2 answers from 2 different people. You want to know what 2 completely different people, coming from 2 completely different backgrounds, saw in your 2 completely different answers to them ? This is what they saw : 1. You lack substantiation 2. Your intent is manipulative 3. You’re full of contradictions which is perceived as lack of intellectual coherence 4. You are emotionally motivated 5. You make assumptions instead on informed debates
Cicadina, in her initial response to your main post, already pointed to no. 1, 2 and 4 and Bones’ initial answer is a direct KO. Cicadina has a very high emotional intelligence (among many other things) and Bones is indeed the best on this page when it comes to Critical Thinking Analysis. You should think about it.
More lies with no confirmed evidence.... Just loud noises speaking as if they were physically there...please move…
When did his agency confirmed he invited a minor at his house late at night ? You talk about the same agency that explicitly denied several times him dating a minor ? If the age gap is what you are really holding on to, you better let go. It's legal, it's accepted, it's everywhere.
Why don't you ask her Family why they accepted him allegedly approaching her since she was 12 with love and marriage promises ? This is what they stated. That he approached her since middle school and that were promises of marriage. Don't you know that ?
Hi, girls ! Please excuse me ! I feel I need to show someone a proper critical thinking analysis, hoping they…
And this was Sunny's response :
@Dark Heart Attack When you want to share a personal reflection, just say clearly that it’s your opinion, don’t disguise it as a balanced or objective viewpoint while subtly implying guilt or trying to steer the conversation under the pretext of ‘ethical debate.’
You say you didn’t intend to lecture anyone on ethics or speak from a legal standpoint, yet you ended your comment by claiming ‘the presumption of innocence doesn’t mean we should suppress critical thinking or ethical debate.’ That is a moral stance, and you used it to indirectly accuse those who defend Kim Soo Hyun of lacking critical thinking or ethics. If you don’t want your words read as an ethics lecture, don’t phrase them as one.
From your message it’s clear that you imply guilt, you talk about him already having ‘a stain,’ but you don’t specify what you mean. This only fuels vague condemnation with no proof, which is exactly the problem here. For you it may be a ‘reasonable doubt,’ but for the fans who defend him, this is a matter of principle: defamation and slanderous accusations have real consequences. This is not blind fanaticism, it’s insisting that someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
As a citizen, I cannot accept this new habit of reckless accusations and trial by rumor, often pushed by opportunistic YouTubers and media outlets. If we want a civilized society, we cannot accept defamation as normal. The presumption of innocence is not optional, it’s a fundamental right and it should persist until a court says otherwise.
And yes, by insisting he ‘already has a stain,’ you do affirm guilt, whether you admit it or not. If that ‘stain’ is about him initially denying an old relationship, that’s not a crime, many people, including you and me, aren’t always fully open about private matters for various reasons. That doesn’t make him guilty of the serious things he’s being accused of now. If you read the actual messages between KSR and her manager, it’s clear there’s much we don’t know, so no one should pretend to have all the facts.
Finally, you mention ‘critical thinking,’ but you ignore the fact that the real aggressors here have been the ‘so-called haters’ who attack, insult and bully other users to silence any KSH fan. Take the time to read all the messages before you judge who is really fueling this toxic atmosphere.
Your discomfort with how this issue is being discussed should not be directed at Kim Soo Hyun’s fans, they are doing exactly what any responsible person should do: upholding the presumption of innocence, which is an absolute right under any fair legal system.
Hi, girls ! Please excuse me ! I feel I need to show someone a proper critical thinking analysis, hoping they will learn something. If I made any mistakes in my analysis pls correct me.
To @ Dark Heart Attack : I wasn’t sure about some things and that’s why I engaged. I refused to jump to conclusions after one post of yours. Now that you answered I understood.
Stating : "With your final phrase: 'Clearly, we have nothing in common.' you told me everything. Perhaps the most coherent thing would have been to simply not respond." :
1. you either assumed an unwillingness to engage constructively on my part, implying a fundamental divide, and rapidly dismissed my request to check the last 2 weeks' comments and links on MDL or 2. you just over interpret this as a personal rejection rather than a tactical exit.
Either way you assumed intent (disconnection in this case) without proof, reflecting emotional rather than rational judgment. Yep…the internet can do that to you.
Based on the assumption that a non-response would have been a more logical or mature conclusion, you quickly asserted your stance, preserving freedom of expression - your prior argument - ignoring completely my credibility test and the value of dialogue.
Your intent was to undermine my position, framing my exit as revealing and my engagement as unnecessary. I offered you the chance to reclaim narrative control and you took it without blinking twice. With your sarcastic and dismissive tone (“you told me everything”) and your reflective undertone (“perhaps the most coherent”) you showed both frustration and self-awareness of the deadlock.
Your call for non-response contradicts your prior defense of debate, revealing inconsistency. Why engage if silence is coherent? Your logic is weak. You critique my closure yet you undermine your own call for critical thinking. You rejected my 2 week review demand with the purpose of data debate, thus weakening your position.
Your reliance on feeling (“told me everything”) mirrors exactly my earlier statements. If behind these curtains you truly acknowledge the fact that Courts prioritize proof (IPhone 11, metadata, forensic results, AI fabricated) which are all in favor of KSH at this point, this means your exit acknowledged the momentum and you tried to frame it as my failing.
Your intent was to undermine and exit on a defiant note, but your logic faltered. A non-response undermines your own argument. In the current context, it reflects emotional closure over critical resolution.
So, my final statement : "Clearly, we have nothing in common." becomes valid. Thank you for answering me. I wish you all the best.
I will also add my timeline. The Conferences contain only the key points because I didn't have the time to summarize…
Remember I told you a while ago that I started reading from the beginning while taking a break from updating it ? only by reading it you realize how fishy it is. Did you see how they always mixed things while she was an adult with things allegedly as a minor ? But they never got to the point ? KSH even asked them nicely 2 times to stop this and come to talk because their knowledge of things seem to be very different from theirs. KSR was saying different things to different people.
I will also add my timeline. The Conferences contain only the key points because I didn't have the time to summarize…
—---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summer 2019 - Fall 2020 - KSH claim (existing timeline in all parties’ claim).
November 19, 2015 - July 7, 2021 KSR’s Family claim.
???? - KSR’s claim through handwritten letter around March 24, 2024 - “we had been dating for 5-6 years” - Most translation apps translate “It’s been about 5-6 years since we met” and there is a trick there about how the word meet can be interpreted as dating. In this case "만난기간" (time we met or were together) leaves room for interpretation, making it a flexible statement that could be weaponized depending on the narrator. The letter was never sent.
2015 - 2021 - The next day after the letter, on March 25, 2024 KSR tells her cousin through a message the period, the picture she uploaded was from 2016 and stated a bigger age gap.
2017 - 2022 - But then the same day, on March 25, 2024 later on, she sends a message to her agency saying “We dated for 5 years since I was 17". —-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 2020 - KSR signed under GM Agency (contract)
May 18, 2022 - DUI incident. (lawsuit, reports, photos & videos)
2022 - GM Agency covered approx. 1.14 billion KRW ($784,000 USD) in damages on KSR’s behalf which was reduced to approx. 700 million KRW. (~$483,000 USD) (documents)
2022 - KSR repaid approx. 200 million KRW ($138,000 USD) by selling assets and convertible bonds (documents)
2022 - GM Agency and KSR signed a contract for monthly payments of the remaining debt, the last payment to be collected in December, 2023. (contract)
Dec 2022 - KSR’s employment contract under GM’s Agency expired. (contract)
2023 - KSR didn’t pay anything (documents, audio)
December 2023 - GM Agency officially wrote off the debt as a loss (documents + notice)
2024 - KSR didn’t pay anything (documents, audio)
March 15, 2024 - GM Agency sent legal notice demanding “repayment by December 31, 2023” (retroactive) to comply with tax and fiduciary duty laws (documents, messages, mail, audio record, statements)
March 19, 2024 - KSR texted KSH, pleading for more time to repay (text message, GM statement)
March 24, 2024 - KSR posted for 23 seconds a picture on instagram (photographs, personal letter, witnesses)
March 25, 2024 - GM Agency sent 2nd legal notice demanding “repayment by December 31, 2023” (retroactive) to comply with tax and fiduciary duty laws (documents, messages, mail, audio record, statements)
March 26, 2024 - GM Agency’s CEO clarified once again that the notice was a procedural step to avoid fiduciary duty breaches and gift tax issues, reassuring KSR’s side about the debt write-off process during a phone call with KSR’s Representative (audio)
April 1, 2024 - GM Agency’s Audit Report shows the loss recorded in December 2023 as bad debt classification, setting interest and late fees at 0%. (documents, audio, statement)
February 16, 2025 - KSR was found dead by su*c*de.
March 10, 2025 - Garosero starts speaking on behalf of the Family with the “aunt”.
March 15, 2025 - KSH side response : "Please stop spreading personal information. Our management would like to meet with the mother and provide a sufficient explanation." —---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 17, 2025 – Press Conference with Bu Ji-seok (attorney from Bu You Law Firm representing KSR’s Family), Kwon Young-chan (false director of the Korea Celebrity Suicide Prevention Association), and Kim Se-ui (CEO of Garosero Research Institute). - announced legal action against KSH - reasons for legal action : dating a minor (2015 - 2021) + accused financial coercion (700 Million KRW debt after DUI incident) from GM Agency which drove KSR to suicide. - alleged evidence : * photos and KakaoTalk messages allegedly from 2016–2018 * a 2016 Twitter post by Sae Ron * an alleged love letter from KSH using the nickname “Saeronaero.” * a 2018 interview where KSR named KSH’s character, Do Min-joon from My Love from the Star, as a heart-fluttering male lead, suggesting a personal connection. —---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 18, 2025 - KSH’s side response : "The bereaved family is requested to stop spreading false information. Please stop fabricating non-existent lies."
March 21, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit against KSR’s Family, the “aunt” and Garosero for : Violation of the Special Act on the Punishment of Sexual Crimes.
March 24, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit against Garosero for : Additional charges for intimidation under criminal law. —---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 27, 2025 – Press Conference with KSR’s Family, Bu Ji-seok (lawyer), Garosero (representative). - announced restoring KSR’s reputation - response to GM Agency‘s denials - alleged that GM Agency’s 700 million KRW demand caused Sae Ron significant distress, contributing to her suicide. - alleged evidence : * alleged KakaoTalk messages from April 2–16, 2018 * a photo of KSH kissing KSR’s cheek claimed to be from 2016 * photos allegedly taken on April 10 and September 20, 2017 * claimed to have FaceTime call records from June 20 to August 14, 2018 * claimed 2019 letter from KSH. —----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 31, 2025 *** Press Conference with KSH and Bang Sung-hoon (attorney) responding to allegations raised by “the aunt” in Garosero YT video on March 10, 2025, later reiterated in press conferences by KSR’s family on March 17 and March 27, 2025. - denying underage relationship + pressure debt - announced civil + criminal lawsuits against the Family, the “aunt” and Garosero. - counter evidence : * recorded phone call from 2024 between GM Agency’ CEO and KSR’s representative about the debt which proves the procedure was already explained to the other party. * 2016 photo and 2018 video were dated to 2019–2020 via metadata. * Claims of KSH visiting Sae Ron’s apartment were denied, with the man in the photo identified as someone else. * claimed KSR was in another relationship therefore it was inappropriate for him to intervene in any way. * claimed 2016 - 2018 Kakao talk messages were not sent to him, showing the discrepancies * announced that materials have been submitted to the National Forensic Service (NFS) for analysis to prove fabrication.
*** KSH files lawsuit against KSR’s Family, the “aunt” and Garosero for : * Defamation due to spreading false information through information and communication network. * Damages worth 12 billion Won for property and moral damage. —-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- April 1, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit + indictment against Garosero for violating the Stalking Punishment Act.
April 14, 2025 - KSH files Indictment against malicious comments/Cyberwreck for defamation under the Information and Communication Network Act and Insult under the Criminal Act.
April 22, 2025 - Kim Soo-hyun Korea and Global Fan Alliance announced they had hired Yang Tae-young from Lawfirm Siwoo to defend KSH against "malicious comments, rumours, lies, hate remarks, and harassment" directed at him on social media.
April 23, 2025 - Seoul Central District Court decides on provisional anti-stalking measures against Garosero and issues a temporary restraining order prohibiting Kim Se-ui and Garosero Research Institute from contacting, mentioning, or producing content about Kim Soo Hyun.
April 30, 2025 - KSH files additional criminal complaints and indictment against Garosero for violation of the Stalking Punishment Act + Violation of the Court Order. —--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 7, 2025 *** Press Conference with KSR’s Family, Bu Ji-seok (lawyer), Kim Se-ui (representative) - addressing a “serious crime” by KSH - branding the case a “murder teacher case” suggesting KSH’s actions contributed to KSR’s death - alleged attack on a whistleblower who provided an audio recording of KSR alleging a 2015 relationship, on May 1, 2025, receiving nine neck stabs by individuals from Korea and China, described as a “premeditated murder” attempt. The FBI was reportedly investigating. - reasserting the six-year relationship claim - alleged evidence : a recording where KSR allegedly claimed the relationship began when she was in middle school (2012 - 2015)
*** KSR’s Family files Lawsuit for Violation of the Child Welfare Act and False Accusation against KSH, based on AI recording.
*** GM Agency’s response expressed concern over the press conference, urging against the spread of unverified claims. They reiterated that the relationship occurred only from 2019 to 2020. —---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 9, 2025 *** KSH files additional complaint against KSR’s Family and Garosero for violation of the Act on Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and Information Protection. *** KSH files additional complaint and indictment against Garosero for violation of the Stalking Punishment Act + Violation of the Court Order.
May 20, 2025 - Seizing KSH’s one appt for approx. 7.3 Billion Won damages (advertiser lawsuit)
June 8, 2025 - KSR’s family and Garosero have failed to cooperate with police summons, missing 2 sessions
June 10, 2025 - Garosero appealed the order, but the appeal was dismissed by the Seoul Central District Court upholding the restrictions
June 11, 2025 - Seizing of Garosero’s 2 appts and his donation accounts and recognizing KSH’s demand for damages worth approx. 12 Billion Won. (defamation lawsuit)
June 13, 2025 - Garosero aired a livestream that featured Kim Soo Hyun’s name and image in the video thumbnail, prompting viewers to report a potential violation of the court order. Seoul police were dispatched to Garosero’s office in Sinsa-dong, Gangnam, around 7 p.m., issuing a verbal warning to Kim Se-ui for breaching the anti-stalking order. Garosero never posted again nor talked about KSH.
June 18, 2025 - Police start investigation.
June 23, 2025 - KSH files a false accusation complaint against the Family and Garosero with the Gangnam Police Station in Seoul based on the AI recording.
KSH already submitted on March 31, 2025 all materials (messages, photos, audio, video, letters) to the NFS for analysis. NFS’s pending analysis will be pivotal.
These are facts, not unverified/unverifiable words, unverified pictures, unverified audios, unverified letters…
I will also add my timeline. The Conferences contain only the key points because I didn't have the time to summarize the complex information. For any details or questions, please feel free to ask. And pls point if you think I made a mistake somewhere. FEEL FREE TO ASK FOR SUPPORTING DATA (there are way too many links to post here).
The truth is, this already seems more like a war with two sides.The worst part is that every time I pass through…
Something kept bothering me so I have read again your comment and although it seemed harsh and biased I realized that most of your statements are based on...I truly have no idea on what. If I knew how you came to this conclusions and what determined you to make these statements, I would know how to answer your post or if to answer.
You show a desire of being impartial. However it seems you misunderstood many things : the moral superiority of the fans, the motives of the anti fans, obsession for innocence and even the stain's meaning and permanence. You also seemed to misunderstand tone and intent and sometimes even content. You also showed no evaluation criteria, nothing except the fact that you sometimes pass through and your comment seems to represent your overall feeling.
If you tell me that you have read all the comments of the last 2 weeks on this page only + the links and this is your final statement, then I apologize for answering. Clearly, we have nothing in common.
Yep... Comeback project fell through so she complained of stress and c*t her wr*st on April 2, 2024. Then again in November 2024. The same happened on January 8, 2025, acc to her family, because she was bullied, then on February 16. I guess she was upset that she wasn't invited to the party.
Kim Sae Ron wanted to die together with Kim Soo hyun this b*tch was so wicked they have released her kakao talk…
The uploaded picture and the carefully chosen words for her statement afterwards, in that particular context, showed me "manipulative". The content of the unsent letter showed me "selfish" (among many other things) and all her talks to different people showed me "liar". At first I thought this is the product of an evil, heartless mother, so I continued to see her as a victim. Later I thought about them both being hand in hand.
With this link that you posted above I just saw a victimizing and destructive person who received way too much attention and help while using every single person around her, including those who genuinely cared for her. Definitely she will go down in the Korean Celebrities' History. The biggest mistake her mother did was to open the Baby Saeron Pandora's box. What a joke.
Oh, she did ! She really did ! She said plenty about it. The entire accusation is made according to what she said, what she wrote, what she did and what she had in her phone.
1. She said it to her family, from when he first approached her and everything that happened afterwards + her family reactions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-X7Xz0P-7g 2. She said it in her 2024 letter : “we had been dating for 5-6 years” https://www.koreaboo.com/news/kim-sae-ron-unsent-letter-kim-soo-hyun-revealed-dated-5-6-years/ 3. She told her cousin through a message that she dated KSH in 2015-2021 although she mentioned a 14 yrs gap. That was probably a typo. And that the picture was taken in 2016. The same cousin whose phone she used to send a message to KSH. 4. She told her agency the same day she told her cousin that she dated KSH for 5 yrs since she was 17. She was probably a bit confused about the dates at that time. https://x.com/_soohyuniie_/status/1937780106342121579 5. She told 2 reporters at the beginning of 2024 that she dated KSH before her current boyfriend. https://m.blog.naver.com/strongyoun-now/223910502873 6. She uploaded the picture on Instagram hinting at a relationship (of any kind for that matter).
Netizens immediately pointed out they missed KSH's "Queen of Tears" which boosted Netflix Philippines' viewership and potentially its income by becoming the most-watched Korean series on the platform in the first half of 2024, with 29 million views.
Who is Netflix ? Netflix is a leading global streaming platform. As of 2025, it boasts over 300 million paid subscribers across more than 190 countries. It also holds a significant market share in various regions and is a major player in the streaming entertainment industry.
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Kim Soo Hyun’s accuser loses big in high-profile case against YouTuber Tzuyang; court slaps ₩10 million fine per video
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/korean/kim-soo-hyuns-accuser-loses-big-in-high-profile-case-against-youtuber-tzuyang-court-slaps-%E2%82%A910-million-fine-per-video-10091442/
Meanwhile, the God of Business guy, an ex defamation victim of Garosero guy, who recently bought 50% shares of Gaseron Institute has a surprise for G.
https://www.topstarnews.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=15708724
And KSH has a new neighbor :
SEVENTEEN’s Dino buys 9 billion KRW luxury apartment, becomes Kim Soo Hyun’s neighbour.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/entertainment/seventeen-s-dino-buys-9-billion-krw-luxury-apartment-becomes-kim-soo-hyun-s-neighbour-article-13185920.html
1. You lack substantiation
2. Your intent is manipulative
3. You’re full of contradictions which is perceived as lack of intellectual coherence
4. You are emotionally motivated
5. You make assumptions instead on informed debates
Cicadina, in her initial response to your main post, already pointed to no. 1, 2 and 4 and Bones’ initial answer is a direct KO.
Cicadina has a very high emotional intelligence (among many other things) and Bones is indeed the best on this page when it comes to Critical Thinking Analysis.
You should think about it.
If the age gap is what you are really holding on to, you better let go. It's legal, it's accepted, it's everywhere.
Why don't you ask her Family why they accepted him allegedly approaching her since she was 12 with love and marriage promises ? This is what they stated. That he approached her since middle school and that were promises of marriage. Don't you know that ?
@Dark Heart Attack When you want to share a personal reflection, just say clearly that it’s your opinion, don’t disguise it as a balanced or objective viewpoint while subtly implying guilt or trying to steer the conversation under the pretext of ‘ethical debate.’
You say you didn’t intend to lecture anyone on ethics or speak from a legal standpoint, yet you ended your comment by claiming ‘the presumption of innocence doesn’t mean we should suppress critical thinking or ethical debate.’ That is a moral stance, and you used it to indirectly accuse those who defend Kim Soo Hyun of lacking critical thinking or ethics. If you don’t want your words read as an ethics lecture, don’t phrase them as one.
From your message it’s clear that you imply guilt, you talk about him already having ‘a stain,’ but you don’t specify what you mean. This only fuels vague condemnation with no proof, which is exactly the problem here. For you it may be a ‘reasonable doubt,’ but for the fans who defend him, this is a matter of principle: defamation and slanderous accusations have real consequences. This is not blind fanaticism, it’s insisting that someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
As a citizen, I cannot accept this new habit of reckless accusations and trial by rumor, often pushed by opportunistic YouTubers and media outlets. If we want a civilized society, we cannot accept defamation as normal. The presumption of innocence is not optional, it’s a fundamental right and it should persist until a court says otherwise.
And yes, by insisting he ‘already has a stain,’ you do affirm guilt, whether you admit it or not. If that ‘stain’ is about him initially denying an old relationship, that’s not a crime, many people, including you and me, aren’t always fully open about private matters for various reasons. That doesn’t make him guilty of the serious things he’s being accused of now. If you read the actual messages between KSR and her manager, it’s clear there’s much we don’t know, so no one should pretend to have all the facts.
Finally, you mention ‘critical thinking,’ but you ignore the fact that the real aggressors here have been the ‘so-called haters’ who attack, insult and bully other users to silence any KSH fan. Take the time to read all the messages before you judge who is really fueling this toxic atmosphere.
Your discomfort with how this issue is being discussed should not be directed at Kim Soo Hyun’s fans, they are doing exactly what any responsible person should do: upholding the presumption of innocence, which is an absolute right under any fair legal system.
To @ Dark Heart Attack : I wasn’t sure about some things and that’s why I engaged. I refused to jump to conclusions after one post of yours. Now that you answered I understood.
Stating : "With your final phrase: 'Clearly, we have nothing in common.' you told me everything. Perhaps the most coherent thing would have been to simply not respond." :
1. you either assumed an unwillingness to engage constructively on my part, implying a fundamental divide, and rapidly dismissed my request to check the last 2 weeks' comments and links on MDL or
2. you just over interpret this as a personal rejection rather than a tactical exit.
Either way you assumed intent (disconnection in this case) without proof, reflecting emotional rather than rational judgment. Yep…the internet can do that to you.
Based on the assumption that a non-response would have been a more logical or mature conclusion, you quickly asserted your stance, preserving freedom of expression - your prior argument - ignoring completely my credibility test and the value of dialogue.
Your intent was to undermine my position, framing my exit as revealing and my engagement as unnecessary. I offered you the chance to reclaim narrative control and you took it without blinking twice. With your sarcastic and dismissive tone (“you told me everything”) and your reflective undertone (“perhaps the most coherent”) you showed both frustration and self-awareness of the deadlock.
Your call for non-response contradicts your prior defense of debate, revealing inconsistency. Why engage if silence is coherent? Your logic is weak. You critique my closure yet you undermine your own call for critical thinking. You rejected my 2 week review demand with the purpose of data debate, thus weakening your position.
Your reliance on feeling (“told me everything”) mirrors exactly my earlier statements. If behind these curtains you truly acknowledge the fact that Courts prioritize proof (IPhone 11, metadata, forensic results, AI fabricated) which are all in favor of KSH at this point, this means your exit acknowledged the momentum and you tried to frame it as my failing.
Your intent was to undermine and exit on a defiant note, but your logic faltered. A non-response undermines your own argument. In the current context, it reflects emotional closure over critical resolution.
So, my final statement : "Clearly, we have nothing in common." becomes valid.
Thank you for answering me. I wish you all the best.
Did you see how they always mixed things while she was an adult with things allegedly as a minor ? But they never got to the point ?
KSH even asked them nicely 2 times to stop this and come to talk because their knowledge of things seem to be very different from theirs.
KSR was saying different things to different people.
Summer 2019 - Fall 2020 - KSH claim (existing timeline in all parties’ claim).
November 19, 2015 - July 7, 2021 KSR’s Family claim.
???? - KSR’s claim through handwritten letter around March 24, 2024 - “we had been dating for 5-6 years” - Most translation apps translate “It’s been about 5-6 years since we met” and there is a trick there about how the word meet can be interpreted as dating. In this case "만난기간" (time we met or were together) leaves room for interpretation, making it a flexible statement that could be weaponized depending on the narrator. The letter was never sent.
2015 - 2021 - The next day after the letter, on March 25, 2024 KSR tells her cousin through a message the period, the picture she uploaded was from 2016 and stated a bigger age gap.
2017 - 2022 - But then the same day, on March 25, 2024 later on, she sends a message to her agency saying “We dated for 5 years since I was 17".
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Jan 2020 - KSR signed under GM Agency (contract)
May 18, 2022 - DUI incident. (lawsuit, reports, photos & videos)
2022 - GM Agency covered approx. 1.14 billion KRW ($784,000 USD) in damages on KSR’s behalf which was reduced to approx. 700 million KRW. (~$483,000 USD) (documents)
2022 - KSR repaid approx. 200 million KRW ($138,000 USD) by selling assets and convertible bonds (documents)
2022 - GM Agency and KSR signed a contract for monthly payments of the remaining debt, the last payment to be collected in December, 2023. (contract)
Dec 2022 - KSR’s employment contract under GM’s Agency expired. (contract)
2023 - KSR didn’t pay anything (documents, audio)
December 2023 - GM Agency officially wrote off the debt as a loss (documents + notice)
2024 - KSR didn’t pay anything (documents, audio)
March 15, 2024 - GM Agency sent legal notice demanding “repayment by December 31, 2023” (retroactive) to comply with tax and fiduciary duty laws (documents, messages, mail, audio record, statements)
March 19, 2024 - KSR texted KSH, pleading for more time to repay (text message, GM statement)
March 24, 2024 - KSR posted for 23 seconds a picture on instagram (photographs, personal letter, witnesses)
March 25, 2024 - GM Agency sent 2nd legal notice demanding “repayment by December 31, 2023” (retroactive) to comply with tax and fiduciary duty laws (documents, messages, mail, audio record, statements)
March 26, 2024 - GM Agency’s CEO clarified once again that the notice was a procedural step to avoid fiduciary duty breaches and gift tax issues, reassuring KSR’s side about the debt write-off process during a phone call with KSR’s Representative (audio)
April 1, 2024 - GM Agency’s Audit Report shows the loss recorded in December 2023 as bad debt classification, setting interest and late fees at 0%. (documents, audio, statement)
February 16, 2025 - KSR was found dead by su*c*de.
March 10, 2025 - Garosero starts speaking on behalf of the Family with the “aunt”.
March 15, 2025 - KSH side response : "Please stop spreading personal information. Our management would like to meet with the mother and provide a sufficient explanation."
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March 17, 2025 – Press Conference with Bu Ji-seok (attorney from Bu You Law Firm representing KSR’s Family), Kwon Young-chan (false director of the Korea Celebrity Suicide Prevention Association), and Kim Se-ui (CEO of Garosero Research Institute).
- announced legal action against KSH
- reasons for legal action : dating a minor (2015 - 2021) + accused financial coercion (700 Million KRW debt after DUI incident) from GM Agency which drove KSR to suicide.
- alleged evidence :
* photos and KakaoTalk messages allegedly from 2016–2018
* a 2016 Twitter post by Sae Ron
* an alleged love letter from KSH using the nickname “Saeronaero.”
* a 2018 interview where KSR named KSH’s character, Do Min-joon from My Love from the Star, as a heart-fluttering male lead, suggesting a personal connection.
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March 18, 2025 - KSH’s side response : "The bereaved family is requested to stop spreading false information. Please stop fabricating non-existent lies."
March 21, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit against KSR’s Family, the “aunt” and Garosero for : Violation of the Special Act on the Punishment of Sexual Crimes.
March 24, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit against Garosero for : Additional charges for intimidation under criminal law.
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March 27, 2025 – Press Conference with KSR’s Family, Bu Ji-seok (lawyer), Garosero (representative).
- announced restoring KSR’s reputation
- response to GM Agency‘s denials
- alleged that GM Agency’s 700 million KRW demand caused Sae Ron significant distress, contributing to her suicide.
- alleged evidence :
* alleged KakaoTalk messages from April 2–16, 2018
* a photo of KSH kissing KSR’s cheek claimed to be from 2016
* photos allegedly taken on April 10 and September 20, 2017
* claimed to have FaceTime call records from June 20 to August 14, 2018
* claimed 2019 letter from KSH.
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March 31, 2025
*** Press Conference with KSH and Bang Sung-hoon (attorney)
responding to allegations raised by “the aunt” in Garosero YT video on March 10, 2025, later reiterated in press conferences by KSR’s family on March 17 and March 27, 2025.
- denying underage relationship + pressure debt
- announced civil + criminal lawsuits against the Family, the “aunt” and Garosero.
- counter evidence :
* recorded phone call from 2024 between GM Agency’ CEO and KSR’s representative about the debt which proves the procedure was already explained to the other party.
* 2016 photo and 2018 video were dated to 2019–2020 via metadata.
* Claims of KSH visiting Sae Ron’s apartment were denied, with the man in the photo identified as someone else.
* claimed KSR was in another relationship therefore it was inappropriate for him to intervene in any way.
* claimed 2016 - 2018 Kakao talk messages were not sent to him, showing the discrepancies
* announced that materials have been submitted to the National Forensic Service (NFS) for analysis to prove fabrication.
*** KSH files lawsuit against KSR’s Family, the “aunt” and Garosero for :
* Defamation due to spreading false information through information and communication network.
* Damages worth 12 billion Won for property and moral damage.
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April 1, 2025 - KSH files lawsuit + indictment against Garosero for violating the Stalking Punishment Act.
April 14, 2025 - KSH files Indictment against malicious comments/Cyberwreck for defamation under the Information and Communication Network Act and Insult under the Criminal Act.
April 22, 2025 - Kim Soo-hyun Korea and Global Fan Alliance announced they had hired Yang Tae-young from Lawfirm Siwoo to defend KSH against "malicious comments, rumours, lies, hate remarks, and harassment" directed at him on social media.
April 23, 2025 - Seoul Central District Court decides on provisional anti-stalking measures against Garosero and issues a temporary restraining order prohibiting Kim Se-ui and Garosero Research Institute from contacting, mentioning, or producing content about Kim Soo Hyun.
April 30, 2025 - KSH files additional criminal complaints and indictment against Garosero for violation of the Stalking Punishment Act + Violation of the Court Order.
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May 7, 2025
*** Press Conference with KSR’s Family, Bu Ji-seok (lawyer), Kim Se-ui (representative)
- addressing a “serious crime” by KSH
- branding the case a “murder teacher case” suggesting KSH’s actions contributed to KSR’s death
- alleged attack on a whistleblower who provided an audio recording of KSR alleging a 2015 relationship, on May 1, 2025, receiving nine neck stabs by individuals from Korea and China, described as a “premeditated murder” attempt. The FBI was reportedly investigating.
- reasserting the six-year relationship claim
- alleged evidence : a recording where KSR allegedly claimed the relationship began when she was in middle school (2012 - 2015)
*** KSR’s Family files Lawsuit for Violation of the Child Welfare Act and False Accusation against KSH, based on AI recording.
*** GM Agency’s response expressed concern over the press conference, urging against the spread of unverified claims. They reiterated that the relationship occurred only from 2019 to 2020.
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May 9, 2025
*** KSH files additional complaint against KSR’s Family and Garosero for violation of the Act on Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and Information Protection.
*** KSH files additional complaint and indictment against Garosero for violation of the Stalking Punishment Act + Violation of the Court Order.
May 20, 2025 - Seizing KSH’s one appt for approx. 7.3 Billion Won damages (advertiser lawsuit)
June 8, 2025 - KSR’s family and Garosero have failed to cooperate with police summons, missing 2 sessions
June 10, 2025 - Garosero appealed the order, but the appeal was dismissed by the Seoul Central District Court upholding the restrictions
June 11, 2025 - Seizing of Garosero’s 2 appts and his donation accounts and recognizing KSH’s demand for damages worth approx. 12 Billion Won. (defamation lawsuit)
June 13, 2025 - Garosero aired a livestream that featured Kim Soo Hyun’s name and image in the video thumbnail, prompting viewers to report a potential violation of the court order. Seoul police were dispatched to Garosero’s office in Sinsa-dong, Gangnam, around 7 p.m., issuing a verbal warning to Kim Se-ui for breaching the anti-stalking order.
Garosero never posted again nor talked about KSH.
June 18, 2025 - Police start investigation.
June 23, 2025 - KSH files a false accusation complaint against the Family and Garosero with the Gangnam Police Station in Seoul based on the AI recording.
KSH already submitted on March 31, 2025 all materials (messages, photos, audio, video, letters) to the NFS for analysis. NFS’s pending analysis will be pivotal.
The Conferences contain only the key points because I didn't have the time to summarize the complex information. For any details or questions, please feel free to ask.
And pls point if you think I made a mistake somewhere.
FEEL FREE TO ASK FOR SUPPORTING DATA (there are way too many links to post here).
You show a desire of being impartial. However it seems you misunderstood many things : the moral superiority of the fans, the motives of the anti fans, obsession for innocence and even the stain's meaning and permanence. You also seemed to misunderstand tone and intent and sometimes even content. You also showed no evaluation criteria, nothing except the fact that you sometimes pass through and your comment seems to represent your overall feeling.
If you tell me that you have read all the comments of the last 2 weeks on this page only + the links and this is your final statement, then I apologize for answering. Clearly, we have nothing in common.
https://x.com/starnewskorea/status/1938115759374536831
Comeback project fell through so she complained of stress and c*t her wr*st on April 2, 2024. Then again in November 2024. The same happened on January 8, 2025, acc to her family, because she was bullied, then on February 16. I guess she was upset that she wasn't invited to the party.
At first I thought this is the product of an evil, heartless mother, so I continued to see her as a victim. Later I thought about them both being hand in hand.
With this link that you posted above I just saw a victimizing and destructive person who received way too much attention and help while using every single person around her, including those who genuinely cared for her.
Definitely she will go down in the Korean Celebrities' History. The biggest mistake her mother did was to open the Baby Saeron Pandora's box. What a joke.
Oh, she did ! She really did ! She said plenty about it. The entire accusation is made according to what she said, what she wrote, what she did and what she had in her phone.
1. She said it to her family, from when he first approached her and everything that happened afterwards + her family reactions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-X7Xz0P-7g
2. She said it in her 2024 letter : “we had been dating for 5-6 years”
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/kim-sae-ron-unsent-letter-kim-soo-hyun-revealed-dated-5-6-years/
3. She told her cousin through a message that she dated KSH in 2015-2021 although she mentioned a 14 yrs gap. That was probably a typo. And that the picture was taken in 2016. The same cousin whose phone she used to send a message to KSH.
4. She told her agency the same day she told her cousin that she dated KSH for 5 yrs since she was 17. She was probably a bit confused about the dates at that time.
https://x.com/_soohyuniie_/status/1937780106342121579
5. She told 2 reporters at the beginning of 2024 that she dated KSH before her current boyfriend.
https://m.blog.naver.com/strongyoun-now/223910502873
6. She uploaded the picture on Instagram hinting at a relationship (of any kind for that matter).
Netflix never took down any of KSH's dramas. Nor any other platform.
But a while ago, Netflix Philippines posted on their Threads a list of "50 K Dramas to watch".
https://www.threads.com/@netflixph/post/DLSGJD6gxs9?xmt=AQF03I-7bkiaCs2taCtBDuVwg1WFH8FGXOXv7y8eg7kVKQ
Netizens immediately pointed out they missed KSH's "Queen of Tears" which boosted Netflix Philippines' viewership and potentially its income by becoming the most-watched Korean series on the platform in the first half of 2024, with 29 million views.
Netflix listened and made adjustments. They added "Queen of Tears" + another 3 KSH's dramas recommended by its subscribers.
https://www.threads.com/@netflixph/post/DLUBHCqzxJT?xmt=AQF0c4rxLkERaZt3Lyr4UlUhW4cJxsxMINVa04k99BmQA
Who is Netflix ?
Netflix is a leading global streaming platform. As of 2025, it boasts over 300 million paid subscribers across more than 190 countries. It also holds a significant market share in various regions and is a major player in the streaming entertainment industry.
Controversies fail to dent Kim Soo-hyun's K-drama earnings.
https://gulfnews.com/entertainment/kim-soo-hyun-still-tops-koreas-2025-k-drama-salary-list-despite-controversies-commanding-423k-per-episode-1.500176534
TOP 1 in the 77th Superstar Brand Power Vote, securing his 9th consecutive week.
https://x.com/Ksooman0216/status/1937803401904931156