It is much better than the ending in the novel though; it gives proper closure whilst in the novel we never got…
They meant the drama is on the whole better than the novel - and it is. The ending is pretty similar (considering all the little and big changes they did to the story). But the drama focuses a lot on the victim of the conspiracy (which the novel does not, being part of a series where the MCs are the two detectives investigating this case too), and it's way more emotional than the original story (which is written by a German author in a very German manner, LOL - pragmatical and to the point.)
And there's a much longer aftermath than in the novel, that is pretty satisfying.
Another thing that bothered me is that the male lead got his conviction overturned to ‘not guilty,’ but that’s…
It's a different system in SK. He wouldn't be able to sue the state, only (maybe) sue the wrongdoers. It usually goes by compensation (his own parents had to sell a lot of what they had to pay compensation to the victims' parents.) But who would compensate him anyway - the doctor is dead and HGT's money (if any) would probably go to SuOh, so he'd be asking for it from SuOh's estate.
And the killers, both of them, are actually dead - the doctor and Minsoo's dad. It would be tricky trying to sue the remaining family.
Need help with the ff:1. Why the hell didn't his mother believe him?2. How did Jeong woo's appa die? ...I know…
1. Because he himself didn't know if he had done it or not. And she's not stupid, or one of those tiger parents who will defend their children even if they do atrocious things. 2. IIRC he had a stroke or something. Probably caused by stress. 3. He didn't walk freely, he did some time (maybe not a lot, but I don't know how much they could charge him with - obstruction of justice, mishandling of evidence, whatever). His life in anything related to policing (including his promised security job) is now over.
I don't know, it looks like there are some ongoing efforts to make a second season. The bad news is that actors (including some in the main cast) are from the mainland, I wonder if they're going to be able to return for a second season, if it happens.
Meguro Ren is really fixing up to be a great actor, isn't he? This one, Silent, even Kieta Hatsukoi - he does…
What does Mizuki have going for her other than good men falling in love with her because of reasons? Little Umi getting so sad her dad wasn't in her life for the first 8 years because her MOM didn't choose to even inform him he has a daughter? Mizuki breaking up with him because she decided - all on her own - he wouldn't want to change his life to accomodate for a child? And he being the kid from a broken marriage who had to get used to a whole new family while his father went basically missing from his life - does she know so little about him that she can choose for him?!
And then she pretended she loved him?! That's not how love works. She's just finding excuses for why it wouldn't work, instead of even making the try to see if it will work or not.
Same with Yayoi. I kind of suspected that was where it would end - she only wanted to play mom with Umi, but then she let a stranger's words (coincidentally Mizuki's) inform her decision to abort, and in the end, it's still Mizuki's words that make her decide to break up with Natsu, because she wants to live for her own self? We all do, lady, but those who want relationships ALWAYS place some of themselves in the middle, and risk being hurt (but maybe not, too), because that's how relationships work!
Oh well. At least there's a whole network of friends and family around Natsu and Umi, so they won't have to go at it the hard way.
I am just so, SO glad they didn't put in a last-minute Tsuno/Yayoi relationship. First because he's too good for her, and second, because it would be way too soon. But we were spared that.
Meguro Ren is really fixing up to be a great actor, isn't he? This one, Silent, even Kieta Hatsukoi - he does have the acting chops. I hope to see him in many more dramas.
But the one who REALLY impressed me is Otake Shinobu (playing Nagumo Akane). She had the best chemistry with MR, and all their scenes together are shining. I loved her character and the way she played her, I really want to see someone with such a calming presence around me.
And then there's little Izutani Rana (playing Umi), she's only 7! She's so precocious. Child actors should get lots more recognition!
Such a good hurt/healing drama, despite the main love interests in Natsu-kun's life being such dumbasses.
Episode 14, it felt rushed abit after the fire in Gu Tak's house.
Because it's not about getting revenge, but about being cleared up of all the things he did NOT do, and then left to live his own life as he wants.
We've all been through the wringer with him LOL, so yeah, we're getting up in arms for him (just as NSC does), but he always said he wants to find the girls, find out if he really was the killer, and if not, be left alone.
And after finding out basically all his "friends" had betrayed him and his family, there is no revenge strong enough to change anything about those facts.
Physics will tell you there's always diffusion happening. It'll happen to the movie (or drama) industry. It already…
You really should look beyond SK, too :) There are so many good dramas (in Asia and elsewhere, but in Asia mostly, since we're on this topic :D), you will never run out of new stories to watch.
I went through my own anime and manga obsession period, LOL, but now I'm getting pretty fixed on cweb novels, so less time to spend on manga (or anime, TBH, they don't make my kind all that much - I am a mecha fan and there are few new Gundam anime hahaha~)
(Indian soap operas aren't all that good, BUT Bollywood did and still does some larger-than-life movies, so the movie-making industry over there has nothing to be ashamed of :D If wuxia and xianxia cdramas can have their physics-less fight choreography, why not the physics-less Bollywood blockbusters, too :D)
TBH, other than the Hong sisters, I usually don't know who the script writers are (and the Hong sisters get pretty hyped up whenever they write some dramas). So no idea how many of the dramas I enjoyed were written by women... I just take each one and appreciate it as it goes :D
Nice talking to you, too, I hope you find many gems in your drama watching journey!
TBH even if the costs weren't already way too high for anything in cinema, there is absolutely nothing (running…
I can only remember ATM one good remake of a Western show (that I didn't even watch as an original, sorry) - and that's Life on Mars. I think LoM the SK version is amazing. How did Woori the Virgin go though, for example? Or even the SK version of Criminal Minds (and I say this as a LJG fan). Most fail to translate.
When another Asian country remakes an Asian drama, it usually doesn't end up TOO twisted. There's nothing jarring for the main part (though honestly I am SO not into the PHI remake of Flower of Evil, LOL, I don't think I'd watch their remake of IONTBO). Maybe it's a regional zeitgeist they still keep faithful to, I don't know, but there is a difference. I can't even imagine how a SK drama would translate into a Western story (if that's what they're aiming for).
But uggggh, yeah, that mindset of "let's turn EVERY little thing into a franchise" is killing me. And it's killing off everything original - how many times can you save the world from destruction over and over and over again?! GAH! And that's why I don't watch any more superhero movies.
I wish all the best for Studio Dragon, they're one of my favourites and I know they make good things... but maybe not sell out completely will work out in the end. Who knows...
Physics will tell you there's always diffusion happening. It'll happen to the movie (or drama) industry. It already…
Asian dramas for me include Thai, Chinese, Japanese, South Korean and even a few Philippines dramas, so there's plenty of variety and a large offer whenever the cliche alarm sounds :D And I even watched a few Indian dramas on and off (though they're mostly the Asian equivalent of telenovelas - which I also watched quite a lot in the back years, LOL) and Turkish dramas, too. One or two Vietnamese dramas, also. (Now I seriously wonder what a Mongolian drama would look like, I bet they'd at the very least have awesome cinematography/scenery).
I've been into dramas since forever, about 25+ years by now, so yes, the tropes and cliches are pretty obvious. What I can tell you though, is that there's always a few very good and original dramas in the lot - though they're getting really scarce in the last few years. And what's been changing is not just the themes and the way they're treated, but mostly the kind of actors they're using (generally either big names OR good-looking idols, and if they have the talent remains to be seen) and there's this not really subtle addition to the story that is obviously aimed at an international audience, or what the producers THINK the international audience wants,
And they've been missing the target a lot, TBH. You'll see a lot of PR - including on MDL - on this or that drama that's produced by NF or D+ or any other streamer, and how great its ratings are, or what the (idol) ML or FL think about the price of rice in China and anything to create some buzz on them... I might not be their target audience, but if that's what they're trying to raise as an audience for future productions, LOL, then definitely CLOY remade will be a hot mess.
Oh well, whatever :D For now there's still some good ones getting through, so I'm happy so far. When they dry up, there are always books so all's good :D
Happy birthday to Xiao Zhan! But haven't seen his drama series. Recommend me some of his good drama series.
You haven't watched any BLs (or not on your list anyway), don't start with The Untamed (though it's absolutely awesome). Start with The Oath of Love, it's more like romcoms. Also, Sunshine by my Side is pretty romantic (and looking very modern). The Youth Memories is heavier (though also worth it!)
If you're willing to try a (censored) adaptation of a famous danmei novel (that became famous on its own might, too), then try The Untamed.
Let me simplify and clarify the article as I think most of the people are raging unnecessarily here except for…
Physics will tell you there's always diffusion happening. It'll happen to the movie (or drama) industry. It already started. When you have different types of movie or drama-making (not in the tech of it, but in the ideas and their execution) intermingling, they will EVENTUALLY become pretty similar.
And that's the thing most people here don't want happening. We all come to find Asian media because we tired of the Western media. Yes, they should get their financing where they can get it. Yes they should try being innovative in getting their ROI. But if they're basically just going to eventually turn into the type of media we've all been fleeing from... what's the point?
But case in point - why CLOY? That's pretty country-specific. If they're remaking it with Korean setting and Korean actors, it's too soon IMHO. It's not an old series. If they're adapting it to a more Western setting... it's kind of hard to imagine where could they put it and keep what made it CLOY.
TBH even if the costs weren't already way too high for anything in cinema, there is absolutely nothing (running…
Went to watch PotC5 - full hall, everybody on their phones, some were talking loudly among them and with people in calls, it smelled (mall cinema), it was pretty messy (popcorn everywhere, spilled drinks etc). Half an hour commercials before (not even trailers). The movie wasn't even worth it. Big thumbs down.
Then went to watch Legend of the Sword (surprisingly interesting for such a told and re-told story). Hall half-full, some people on their phones, the same smell, the same messy place, at least it was less loud.
Went to watch Thor Ragnarok (I think that, Iron Man aside, that's about the only other superhero movie I actually enjoyed in cinema.) Kids and teens everywhere, the same smell and mess, people on phones, LOUD, lots of loud people, and so on, and so forth.
I think you see where this is going, LOL.
The very last movie I actually loved going to see in theater was The Martian, forever ago (opening night, first midnight show, not a lot of people and all of them were there to watch the movie, not ~experience~ going to the movies. It's been way too long since and yes, streaming covers the need for movies, but it's not the same. I used to love movie-going, but lately there's nothing worth going for.
I was hoping some Asian media could escape the straight-to-streaming trend, but I guess all movies are doomed to it in the end... Given how much streamers are investing in the industry, it was inevitable it would turn to this.
Still, IMHO, going the road to re-making successful stories is definitely not the way they're going to keep going. And particularly not the remake of a drama that works exactly because it's happening where it's happening.
TBH even if the costs weren't already way too high for anything in cinema, there is absolutely nothing (running…
What I'm saying is that those kind of movies do not even come up in cinemas I am close to. At all. Not even those who are well-known or have built up some expectations. So it's not really on the watchers, if they don't even know the movies exist, because cinema operators do not bring the movies to them.
PS And even IF they brought them, have you been to a cinema fairly recently? The kind of people who DO show up in theater don't make good companion watchers in my recent experience. The only time I really loved it in the past ten years, LOL, was when I went to watch Bohemian Rhapsody and I was the only one inside. I could sing along (and then discovered the attendant had snuck in and did the same as me :D)
Dammit, NaGyeom got away by reason of being insane. And I don't really like how they allow her a phone, because…
They already have all the evidence. They were going to arrest the doctor, they had the video of him killing DaEun, then SuOh has the body hidden in his secret hidey hole, MinSu is all done and confessing to everything, ByeongMu's dad doesn't have anything more to lose now HGT fell and would spill everything just to get his son a shorter sentence - etc.
The polician herself only manipulated HGT into hiding the murder done by her husband - but if HGT hadn't needed a scapegoat for GeonOh, he might've done it anyway just to get ahead and be promoted...
No matter how short or long his sentence (I mean he himself didn't kill anybody OR hide the body, either), it won't give JeongWoo his youth back...
And there's a much longer aftermath than in the novel, that is pretty satisfying.
And the killers, both of them, are actually dead - the doctor and Minsoo's dad. It would be tricky trying to sue the remaining family.
2. IIRC he had a stroke or something. Probably caused by stress.
3. He didn't walk freely, he did some time (maybe not a lot, but I don't know how much they could charge him with - obstruction of justice, mishandling of evidence, whatever). His life in anything related to policing (including his promised security job) is now over.
We'll see if / when we get there.
The novel is always available, anyway.
The way he looks so ready to flee if she says Again - again, hahaha~
And that small voice "I wanted to be the One and Only" OMG LOL
And Director OH!!!!!!!!! He was their biggest shipper, I wonder who he would be in the original world, maybe the most faithful reader of the novel :D
This was better than the parent story, LOL. And they had the courage to include (some of) the spicy scenes, hahaha~
I am very happy they made it, I just wish it was longer.
And then she pretended she loved him?! That's not how love works. She's just finding excuses for why it wouldn't work, instead of even making the try to see if it will work or not.
Same with Yayoi. I kind of suspected that was where it would end - she only wanted to play mom with Umi, but then she let a stranger's words (coincidentally Mizuki's) inform her decision to abort, and in the end, it's still Mizuki's words that make her decide to break up with Natsu, because she wants to live for her own self? We all do, lady, but those who want relationships ALWAYS place some of themselves in the middle, and risk being hurt (but maybe not, too), because that's how relationships work!
Oh well. At least there's a whole network of friends and family around Natsu and Umi, so they won't have to go at it the hard way.
I am just so, SO glad they didn't put in a last-minute Tsuno/Yayoi relationship. First because he's too good for her, and second, because it would be way too soon. But we were spared that.
But the one who REALLY impressed me is Otake Shinobu (playing Nagumo Akane). She had the best chemistry with MR, and all their scenes together are shining. I loved her character and the way she played her, I really want to see someone with such a calming presence around me.
And then there's little Izutani Rana (playing Umi), she's only 7! She's so precocious. Child actors should get lots more recognition!
Such a good hurt/healing drama, despite the main love interests in Natsu-kun's life being such dumbasses.
We've all been through the wringer with him LOL, so yeah, we're getting up in arms for him (just as NSC does), but he always said he wants to find the girls, find out if he really was the killer, and if not, be left alone.
And after finding out basically all his "friends" had betrayed him and his family, there is no revenge strong enough to change anything about those facts.
I went through my own anime and manga obsession period, LOL, but now I'm getting pretty fixed on cweb novels, so less time to spend on manga (or anime, TBH, they don't make my kind all that much - I am a mecha fan and there are few new Gundam anime hahaha~)
(Indian soap operas aren't all that good, BUT Bollywood did and still does some larger-than-life movies, so the movie-making industry over there has nothing to be ashamed of :D If wuxia and xianxia cdramas can have their physics-less fight choreography, why not the physics-less Bollywood blockbusters, too :D)
TBH, other than the Hong sisters, I usually don't know who the script writers are (and the Hong sisters get pretty hyped up whenever they write some dramas). So no idea how many of the dramas I enjoyed were written by women... I just take each one and appreciate it as it goes :D
Nice talking to you, too, I hope you find many gems in your drama watching journey!
When another Asian country remakes an Asian drama, it usually doesn't end up TOO twisted. There's nothing jarring for the main part (though honestly I am SO not into the PHI remake of Flower of Evil, LOL, I don't think I'd watch their remake of IONTBO). Maybe it's a regional zeitgeist they still keep faithful to, I don't know, but there is a difference. I can't even imagine how a SK drama would translate into a Western story (if that's what they're aiming for).
But uggggh, yeah, that mindset of "let's turn EVERY little thing into a franchise" is killing me. And it's killing off everything original - how many times can you save the world from destruction over and over and over again?! GAH! And that's why I don't watch any more superhero movies.
I wish all the best for Studio Dragon, they're one of my favourites and I know they make good things... but maybe not sell out completely will work out in the end. Who knows...
I've been into dramas since forever, about 25+ years by now, so yes, the tropes and cliches are pretty obvious. What I can tell you though, is that there's always a few very good and original dramas in the lot - though they're getting really scarce in the last few years. And what's been changing is not just the themes and the way they're treated, but mostly the kind of actors they're using (generally either big names OR good-looking idols, and if they have the talent remains to be seen) and there's this not really subtle addition to the story that is obviously aimed at an international audience, or what the producers THINK the international audience wants,
And they've been missing the target a lot, TBH. You'll see a lot of PR - including on MDL - on this or that drama that's produced by NF or D+ or any other streamer, and how great its ratings are, or what the (idol) ML or FL think about the price of rice in China and anything to create some buzz on them... I might not be their target audience, but if that's what they're trying to raise as an audience for future productions, LOL, then definitely CLOY remade will be a hot mess.
Oh well, whatever :D For now there's still some good ones getting through, so I'm happy so far. When they dry up, there are always books so all's good :D
If you're willing to try a (censored) adaptation of a famous danmei novel (that became famous on its own might, too), then try The Untamed.
And that's the thing most people here don't want happening. We all come to find Asian media because we tired of the Western media. Yes, they should get their financing where they can get it. Yes they should try being innovative in getting their ROI. But if they're basically just going to eventually turn into the type of media we've all been fleeing from... what's the point?
But case in point - why CLOY? That's pretty country-specific. If they're remaking it with Korean setting and Korean actors, it's too soon IMHO. It's not an old series. If they're adapting it to a more Western setting... it's kind of hard to imagine where could they put it and keep what made it CLOY.
Then went to watch Legend of the Sword (surprisingly interesting for such a told and re-told story). Hall half-full, some people on their phones, the same smell, the same messy place, at least it was less loud.
Went to watch Thor Ragnarok (I think that, Iron Man aside, that's about the only other superhero movie I actually enjoyed in cinema.) Kids and teens everywhere, the same smell and mess, people on phones, LOUD, lots of loud people, and so on, and so forth.
I think you see where this is going, LOL.
The very last movie I actually loved going to see in theater was The Martian, forever ago (opening night, first midnight show, not a lot of people and all of them were there to watch the movie, not ~experience~ going to the movies. It's been way too long since and yes, streaming covers the need for movies, but it's not the same. I used to love movie-going, but lately there's nothing worth going for.
I was hoping some Asian media could escape the straight-to-streaming trend, but I guess all movies are doomed to it in the end... Given how much streamers are investing in the industry, it was inevitable it would turn to this.
Still, IMHO, going the road to re-making successful stories is definitely not the way they're going to keep going. And particularly not the remake of a drama that works exactly because it's happening where it's happening.
Oh well, we'll see.
PS And even IF they brought them, have you been to a cinema fairly recently? The kind of people who DO show up in theater don't make good companion watchers in my recent experience. The only time I really loved it in the past ten years, LOL, was when I went to watch Bohemian Rhapsody and I was the only one inside. I could sing along (and then discovered the attendant had snuck in and did the same as me :D)
The polician herself only manipulated HGT into hiding the murder done by her husband - but if HGT hadn't needed a scapegoat for GeonOh, he might've done it anyway just to get ahead and be promoted...
No matter how short or long his sentence (I mean he himself didn't kill anybody OR hide the body, either), it won't give JeongWoo his youth back...
Nah, HGT needed to burn for it.