ShortCircuit

Yeah, still not pleased with this news. *shrugging* Guess we'll see.

1. He is not their son, it's a mutual benefitting relationship between him and the parents. The reasons for it are major spoilers, but oh well. You'll see.

2. DHS is the son of an already dead serial killer. He's probably highly functioning autistic, but he's painted as a sociopath by those who knew him in his childhood (when his mother went missing and his father was eventually found out to be a serial killer.) DHS went into hiding years ago and nobody knows where he is - not even his sister. There is a still not-found presumed victim of his father, and people assume DHS knows where her body is, so everybody would very much want to catch him and find out. And he's also accused of having murdered a village foreman before going into hiding so he's still a wanted criminal*.

3. That one's a bit more tricky. DHS is innocent. But BHS... let's leave that for when you've watched more of the drama and become aware of who these people actually are :D

*There was a time in SK when even murder (including serial murders) had a statute of limitations (15 years before 2007, that was transformed into 25 years until 2015, when it was completely removed.) That meant that if a killer was successfully hiding for 15 or 25 years respectively, even if they were caught, they wouldn't be convicted of the crimes. Which sucks for the victims and their families, and why the statute of limitations was removed. DHS would have probably tried to stay hidden for 25 years to forever, otherwise, and get away with the (accusation of) murder.

She doesn't really have a good motive to actually spy on his convos, does she? Just a suspicion. And she's still in love with him and ready to find reasons for him not to be a bad guy. Add to that she doesn't want to set her police colleagues onto him, she's trying to figure things out for herself, first.

Also, I imagine actual one-way sending bugs need a lot of battery, it wouldn't be so easily ignored. BHS/DHS isn't stupid, if he really was a bad guy finding a bug on his watch would definitely put him on his guard.

I'll watch him in a paint-drying commercial where he's only staring at the wall. Anything, please, soon! It's been so long!

Yup. That scene when he's calling the police station and his voice breaks when he asks about the child... My heart went to pieces. That's probably the most emotional scene of the whole series - and there are so many of them.

Have you seen BLACK? It's the same writer. That one was AMAZING throughout, and then fell apart in the last two or three episodes, because she couldn't decide how to wrap it all up. And that story was nowhere near as twisty as this one, though it too had plenty of twists.

What I'm saying is that I don't really trust the writer to provide a logical, well-thought out tale with a satisfying ending. And we're way past the half way point, and instead of trying to explain some points and untagle things, she goes in deeper and deeper for the shock value. I could care less about being shocked by revelations that THIS character TOO is a psycho, this character TOO isn't innocent, this person HERE is actually another victim of two or three serial killers (living in the same area, imprisoned in the same place, being smarter than the police too etc). This is extremely repetitive already.

I am not impressed. I just liked KMC in the beginning, but now I don't like any of them. It's just inertia taking me through the episodes, and I have this nagging feeling it's the same for most actors in it. Too bad.

It makes sense the police is looking for the killers, BUT all the victims are also connected to said killers, and daughters and sons of said killers, and it just SO happens there's just one prison in the whole South Korea that ALL caught killers and rapists end up in, and not only so, but in the same cells, too.

Did you see the wife of the HH being related to Daniel Lee, married to the HH (obviously) mother to a psycho (who also is a serial killer), and attacked by yet another serial killer who after killing a man and masking it as self-defense shared a cell with the presumably innocent scapegoat for the killings, who is the father of the fiancee of the son of the wanna-be MP, who is in the party of the president trying to win a reelection, who has a secretary who approved that the HH (also spending his time in the SAME prison) should do a brain transplant on the one cop who (maybe) has psycho genes, but is a good guy, and is an acquintance of the HH's son, who ends up a donor for the brain transplant (unless he's still alive, who knows), and oh let's not forget that the serial rapist+killer's DNA ends up planted on the killing site of another pedophile rapist who just SO happens to hunt down the one girl said (maybe) psycho policeman is interested in AND SO ON AND SO FORTH...

If these kinds of things are acceptable, even in dramaland, then I want to be there and play the lottery. I'd definitely win the biggest prizes, repeatedly, if I could just evade the whole psycho killers saga.

This does not recquire a simple suspension of disbelief, this requires a complete lobotomy, when one is supposed to just ignore all the plot holes and just try to find explanations for the actions of people who keep retconning their own memories and whatnot.

At this point, I'm only watching with a half-on-half-off interest, because none of the MCs is likable any more (except for the politician's detective son - NEPO - who's going to marry the serial rapist+killer's scapegoat father's daughter, UNLESS he turns out to be a shady character too. Oh and his fiancee - the daughter of the scapegoat dad, was also almost killed off by yet ANOTHER serial killer - the son of the detective who took the fall initially before being killed off in a hospital bed, the one that KMC tried to take the fall for in order to end up in the HH's prison so that he could kill the HH - wait, let's not go down that rabbit hole again).

You know what I mean? I'm usually good with details and could follow along a plot - there is no plot here, other than twists and turns and a game of mirrors and smoke. I guess people like the shock factor - there's no shock factor in this for me at this point, and the messy writing is making me sorry I ever started this.

Still not dropping it yet, because I'm contrary like that, but then again... this could have been something actually good and it's just... not.

So vigilante cop doesn't approve of other people going vigilante and will do anything (not that it means anything, given the state of the police in this show) to catch them?

Most of the actors either started phoning in their performances, or the editing makes it seem so. Lee Jee Hoon's KMC was the most interesting chara going in, now he's there for the sake of providing background for twists and plot holes and whatnot. The writer put in so many twists and turns that it's impossible to make sense of this, it's looking more and more like a train wreck and/or stream of consciousness instead of a logical story. I'm not even going to touch the levels of stupidity of having Daniel Lee back in the picture after presumably being killed off by the HH's son, only to conduct a train-a-serial-killer experiment on a police officer instead of helping him cope or something. Because you know, that's what NORMAL people do. And he's also so CERTAIN that's how things work - this psycho killer WILL get the hunger for more killings, this brain transplant IS to blame, there is NOTHING anybody can do to help BR instead of turning him into a killer etc. So stupid.

And I'll bet it'll turn out it's actually the HH in BR's imagination instead, giving him instructions on who and how to kill, because this is the kind of show it is.

Come to think of it, the HH is out of the picture, and still EVERYBODY in this drama is involved with more than one serial killer at one time, and all of them know each other, and even in deep relationships. That's so statistically improbable, it's taken all the fun out of making jokes on the drama's account.

Yeah. Episode 13 and nothing much going on.

I did see it on the main page, for a few minutes (enough for the first reply, anyway). Then I couldn't see it any more (as well not seeing the Disney+ kdrama news either). Now I can only find it when you reply LOL.

I guess you'll get more replies once it's posted in the FP again, right?

Re: BOF, wasn't he hit by a car, though? It's been a very long time, I have this (very) vague impression of being in a secluded street corner somewhere with the MT trucking down toward him... unless it's a mix up with another character or another drama, which it may very well be :D

Add another - one of the BEST (or worst, depending on angle) MT cousins in kdrama is Ming Joon Gook's semi when it hits the car in which Soo Ha and his father were in, in "I Hear Your Voice", one of my favourite dramas. Then again, Soo Ha is played by Lee Jong Suk, so he just MIGHT be immune to MT and their cousins LOL.

Oh and wasn't there a MT in "Boys Over Flowers"? I think I hazily remember LMH's amnesia being caused by a HAR. (So a corollary is that, when the MT doesn't kill you, it'll definitely cause amnesia LOL).

I haven't watched the Korean version of "Let's Fight Ghost", but I'm watching the Thai version now, and there's a MT cousin heavily present there, LOL. I'm told the Thai version follows the Korean one pretty closely, so there's probably something similar there, too.

... And while he was being a good guy (I'm behind, only on episode 10 now), LSG's Ba Reum chara in "Mouse" got plowed by a semi, too LOL. Got a broken leg, no amnesia, but hey, half a trope is still a trope :D

Edit: Oh and another MT cousin hit LSG in "Flower of Evil", too (poor LSG, he might be a MT&co magnet. He is a magnet for me *heart eyes*). I could do this edit thing all day, LOL.

... We are surrounded by MTs!! O.o

SPOILERS might follow.

My first sighting of the Murder Truck was when it hit Ji Sung in "Save the Last Dance for Me". (It caused the FIRST amnesic episode because of course it did). I didn't know how much damage it could still do... But then it kept coming back for more (in its disguises, too. How do you feel about it's lesser tonnage cousins that keep hitting people right when they're supposed to?!)

Like, for example, it hit the police car Lee Joon Gi was in, in "Two Weeks" - it definitely wanted to kill LSG's chara, but we all know nobody can put LSG in a corner when it's a melo-action drama. Go, LSG!! *waves fan-made supporting banner* And I'm not even including the hit that causes the - you guessed it! - amnesic episode in "Time Between Wolf and Dog"!

Or the T-2 reminiscent Murder Truck that brought about the beginning of "The Uncanny Counter"'s origin story - including evil spirit and all. Good job! Not scary at all! *shivering* (Did I mention it gets repeated performances, future-altering ones, too?!)

I was amazed to see that a clone of the Murder Truck could even miss its target!! (well, not that much as it didn't mean to hit it in the end, just separate the MLs - in "W Two Worlds". But somehow I think it was just some wishful thinking of revenge because of Lee Jong Suk's deliberate destruction of Murder Truck's cousin in "While You Were Sleeping".) "W Two Worlds" has to be the most frustrating drama for Murder Truck to appear in, as LJS's character is able to stop the world and get off instead of being mushed up in an "accident", LOL.

As for unrealistic hit-and-runs... should we talk about "True Beauty" and the anti-gravity properties of HARs that end up causing nothing more than a hilarity-inducing broken leg score of scenes? Yup, it's all a shame for Murder Trucks everywhere better left uncommented on.

And that's just off the top of my head.

Don't expect reports and/or time-stamped proofs, do you really WANT to send a Murder Truck after me, LOL? :D

Other than more exposure for Asian dramas, I am not too keen on even Netflix getting in the market. Mostly because they're kind of "westernising" kdramas, like Vagabond being primed (but not delivering yet, or at all) for a second season, and let's not even mention Arthdal Chronicles (sooo bitter about that one yet), and I KNOW Kingdom is a huge success, but I am really not the target audience for this kind of stories (and would very much like not to have mashups of Western supernatural things with original Asian supernatural things, it's the difference that I love).

And now even Disney+ is getting in on the big pie?

Listen... I am all for Asian dramas getting recognition, and more money for new projects, and international fandoms for dramas and/or actors getting wider etc. But I would LOVE to see them use the already existing strengths of the Asian dramas, not trying to cookie-cutter them into things that Western general audiences would like to watch (beginning with short-er/ish episodes, multiple seasons for the same story, ever dilluting a tale until it's all milked out, etc. )

Let's enjoy the differences instead...

It's my greatest fear that once Western production companies and/or networks start realizing that Asian dramas do sell, and sell well, we'll see less of what was interesting and new and original (for a Westerner anyway) and instead get a more "wider" audience thing where Asian and Western influences are so mixed up there's not a lot of originality remaining.

And sadly, I do NOT trust Disney+ with anything they're into. Disney in general is a money-making machine, and no matter what they're claiming in their PR stunts, they're one of the most despicable companies around.

I realize this comes out as a whine about how I don't like changes and don't want to see them... but I seriously am biased against Western (mostly Anglo sphere) media, and at this point in time, nothing much could happen to un-bias me.

**the drama will have a second season with the same cast. **

AAAAH!!! Yes please and thank you!

With that man as his father, I seriously doubt that his mother actually ran away. I expect she was his father's first victim, as is usual for some serial killers. It's also probable DHS was somehow involved in her killing - his father used him as an alibi in hunting Mi Sook, too. DHS could have been an accomplice... After all, his father told BHS that he had tried to mould DHS in his image and failed. Add to that that there were the "correct" number of fingernails even though Mi Sook didn't actually die.

I think the victim who provided the first nail was DHS's mother and DHS might have witnessed (parts of) it.

IMHO it would have invalidated his whole personality if he did. But not for lack of trying - he came THIS close to killing his former room mate (the one who opened the restaurant and was later killed by the taxi driver). And all I can say is that KMJ (the reporter) was really REALLY lucky he became needed in the nick of time when DHS was calculating the risks of taking him out.

The question was never if he COULD do it, but if he WOULD. He was all out going for BHS's throat, no problem, in the final eps. He just never got all the right conditions met in the previous fly-bys, LOL.

But fear not - there's no answer to where his mother went to, why he lost all memories of before being 10 years old, and how did his father try to make him into his own image. Use your imagination, he just might've done something that sent him for a spin in his childhood...

If it wasn't for the special episode, I'd've broken something. BUT. It's a HEA, right? I'm taking it as a HEA and I don't care if they get to live in the mountains eating ice and snow forever.

Also, don't think I didn't catch that "forever fighting" hint, show. I DID read the extra with the fighting resulting in THAT, LOL. So I am pretty certain WHAT they're fighting about :D

Awwww, Cheng Ling's little daughter is so PRECIOUS. Such a cute smile! For a ten-second showup, that little girl is going to be remembered (by me anyway).

I am absolutely amazed this show made it past censorship. How on Earth did they do it?! All those hugs and clear expressions of affection, all that obvious flirting and yearning... I don't need any more than this to be completely happy.

I am also heartbroken over Wei Ning and Ah Xiang... Poor kids. And that venomous Master! He deserved what he got and more. I just wish they'd have kept that final confrontation scene after the fight with Scorpion as it was in the novel - it felt even more heartbreaking for me - but I'm happy with this version too.

Strangely, I'm also sad over Scorpion King's demise. I still don't know what makes him tick, but that scene with Zhao Jing in the final episodes, where he's confessing his total devotion and complete hatred for his "father" is amazing. That character is probably my 4th favourite in the drama, right after the MLs and Cheng Ling.

Sooooo satisfying. So glad it went like this, basically non-butchered (also non-censored at ALL, LOL). So happy with the outcome.

This leaves me with high hopes for Immortality - if they're allowed to push the boundaries so much... imagine what could happen with that story.

(Final note: I am an Untamed fan, and didn't try to compare these two dramas at all, except in the beginning when a lot of the sets seemed similar between the two dramas. But then, given there's a certain esthetics in xianxia/wuxia and probably certain pre-built sets most dramas get to use, it's just a coincidence, IMHO. As for the story and acting - I love both dramas in different ways and won't try to do a side-by-side comparison, because they don't have much in common, except for being gorgeously shot, having good plots, good music, satisfying endings and giving me a lot of pleasure in watching!)

See you in the Immortality thread, whenever it comes!

I couldn't resist... Had to finish it. What do I do now? Please advise.

Well, that scene in particular wasn't a shocking surprise because I'd spoiled myself on the raws and could kind of guess what was going on. But I'm pretty sure it's a plot and that WKX and Scorpion cooked something together so that they could go at Zhao Jing's throat.

Which makes me say it - Scorpion King is really interesting. He's both jealously in love with his step-father's appreciation, and also hating his bones to the core. I don't know what's driving him, but he's certainly twisted and most intriguing. ZJ won't know what hit him when the Scorpion King decides it's time to strike.

Poor ZZS... almost fainting when he realized it was true and WKX is "actually" gone... I want to give him a hug. He's going to go all Chingachgook-on-Magua (complete with The Gael soundtrack) on the Five Lakes Alliance, isn't he?

"The world is not important, my soulmate is." That's the spirit!! You go get'em, ZZS!!

I feel like there are bits and pieces - or scenes - missing from time to time, like they shrunk the timeline a bit too much, or edited so that it provided more shocks instead of a linear plot succession. Like - it's obvious there's been a lot of time between WKX going mad and being found by Lord Seventh and his Shaman, and then him managing to contact the Window of Heaven guys, arranging the prison break, gathering all the Ghosts that were already in Scorpion King's keeping, dealing with the SK etc. The crunch is huge. But I don't really mind it - I mean, I'm here for WKX's expressions and flirting and for ZZS's obvious and unconditional love.

Only 4 eps and a bit to go... I don't want this to end so soon. I need to pace myself a bit T_T

After episode 32...