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I'm sincere here. I really don't think I'm spreading rumour, he did this himself, I don't think I'm wrong for stating what he did and putting it in the context of how chinese see it. I actually wanted to put in the atrocities the war criminals instigated inititally, to give it more background, but I refrained.

I wasn't angry before, but I'm actually getting angry that you are trying to tell me that he merely "made a mistake", why do all the coincidences happen to him? I didn't even say I want him banned or anything outrageous, I just state people don't forget Yasukuni Shrine? I'm not the one ruining his life thank you.

Nazi salute was apparently a rumour and a reference to a movie? I'm sorry, he did it in front of a specific museum, that's not a pose you just randomly come up with. If it's from the movie, I'm suspecting that movie =/ His apology was classic shifting attention and glossing over the severity of things.

He had other stuff bought up, I mean even this string of event started with Nogi shrine and wedding guests being alt-right + groom being suspected alt-right. Few weeks ago, there were all these talk about him having a fiancee (liuliang/popular actors tend to have lot of fans that don't like them having a partner) and he got away relatively unscathed, just lost some fans.

It's rough being a celebrity and having your whole life under scrutiny but it's sort of why they get paid so much and is so popular? Anyways, this is not the first time fans tell me I'm spreading rumours when I'm stating what I literally see on weibo live (different celeb though) because I wanted to give context to international audience that's clearly missing the why all the cnetizens are mad. Good to be reassured I don't come across like a hater though :P

Rewatch counts, any clicks in the domestic market count for the viewcount here (some fans have been known to watch trailers on repeat to boost it, then later they watch the "watch only him/her" that only last for few mins on repeat). They have stricter rules for effective viewcount, but that's for their company use, so we don't see it.

I don't think it's a rumour, but I'll delete it for your peace of mind, what other things are unhelpful here?

you are talking about the subscription ranking, this is the viewcount compilations, different thing.

He posted the Yasukuni shrine photos onto his weibo too, so he's just....dumb. yeah i think he thought it might be cool to break the "unspoken rule" or maybe he thought imperialism was cool (which is all kinds of ???? to me honestly), which means he should probably go to school again.

Brands/artists have 24hrs to react for best PR effect, preferably under 12hrs honestly. I've heard (but didn't dig for evidence due to laziness) that his fans were fighting with Ju Jingyi fans before, and JJY fans actually found the photos but it didn't spread?

also haaaa, I wish people wouldn't say I'm hating on him (not here, elsewhere) when I'm literally stating what he did and explaining its level of seriousness, why do fans do this?! a lot of fans are understandably upset, and yes you could blame antis, but he did the thing, he should have known better. He's literally the first chinese celebrity I know that visited the shrine for funsie, it never crossed my mind before yesterday that you could go for funsie? 2021 c!ent boggling my mind once again.

I'm not hating on him, I'm posting what cnetizens' perspective are to explain why all the endorsements dropped him, and how serious this is to chinese people, a body of context that I think a lot of international audience might be missing.

Well a year and half of that was COVID, and he was in Japan just before COVID hit national level (a week or so before) so lol. It's not really matter of people being gullible, it's the fact it happened.

You know how this started, allegedly his fan wanted to show off video of his Japanese at a friend's wedding, said wedding is held at Nogi Shrine, similarly problematic, but much lesser known, there's bunch of stuff they suspect but I don't think it's his problem. Some people got pissed and kept digging, boom Yasukuni Shrine.

I've seen the Japanese Imperial Flag car before by the way (when WoH was airing, you naturally get your social media ransacked and potential problem stuck all over the internet), it was liiittle iffy he didn't apologise and seem upset at people telling him to delete it, but I also thought ok maybe he's just really ignorant, but this body of context eeek.

I have no issue suspecting someone might be trying to pull him down, but usually you don't have photos of Yasukuni Shrine on your social media. I've got nothing, it's not like he was photoshopped onto it. cnetizens don't recognise Yasukuni Shrine on sight, as most people have never been there, so yeah someone just suspected and did comparison, and more comparison just confirmed it and it spread like wildfire.

I do think it started as an anti attack, but the moment the photos of Yasukuni shrine appeared, along with photo of a car painted with Japanese Imperialism flag (which he reluctantly deleted after being told it's not ok, he wasn't happy about it) that's nope to hell and back. These happened in different years. I don't think he's pro-Japan but that's not the issue here.

There's absolutely no way he can grow up in China and not know what that shrine means. Even if you went there out of curiousity, you wouldn't post it on social media, and he's a celebrity, a celebrity that's been in the industry for over a decade. He literally have no awareness whatsoever. It houses war criminals, generals that instigated the war, unless he went to burn the shrine down, he's never going to come back from this. People don't forget Yasukuni Shrine.

His friend's wedding wasn't the big issue, it's the fact he went to Yasukuni Shrine, there's no way you could grow up in China without knowing what that shrine means. Japan never apologised for its war crimes, still gloss over actual history of invasion and horrific human experimentations (731 if you are morbidly curious). The shrine houses generals of the war that ordered this, they are literal war criminals. Every single time a Japanese government official visit, Chinese diplomats will protest loudly about it, so him as a Chinese really really can't miss it. With the Japanese Imperialism flag and that Nazi salute as body of context, it's just a million years of not okay.

Honestly, even if you visit for whatever reason, it's just so dumb to post it on your social media, so so so dumb. There's no way to recover from this IMO, Yasukuni shrine is a HUGE no zone. People do not forget stuff like this. You know what else is brutal, the estimated 35millions people that died in that war, the comments are for those people. I have friends that's fan of him after WoH, but lol this crossed the line way way too hard, they were yelling and pretty upset about it yesterday.

Cnetizens are known for being harsh, but there are lot of chinese people, there are also a lot that's so very forgiving, and so willing to forgive on other people's behalf. Cnetizens often complain that the industry is full of people with so so face and so so acting, all of the attitude, and none of the work ethics, but they earn massive amount of money, outrageous amount because there are people that like them, so when scandals go down, there's a huge reaction. This one is more than your usual scandal, definitely on par with Kris Wu's if not worse.

Harlequin romance is close yeah. In addiction, a large number of romance dramas are adapted from webnovels, webnovels that's targeted towards young and female audience (15 to 25 i'd say but you could expand it to 12 to 30 too), which is basically equivalent to young adult fiction.

You know how YA have fantasy, scifi, drama etc? Idol drama is used like that, it's why xianxia fall under it, and why friendship based youth dramas might be called it too, palace dramas too. cnetizens also call them by genres you'd categorise them as well, this one is a palace politics, that one is fantasy romance etc.

Idols in Chinese was initially "someone you idolise" could be a scientist, could be your parents, but in ent industry terms, it's young and good looking people. There were competitions for singing (along the style of american idol and x factor etc), but most didn't go into acting, so they weren't relevant to the cdrama industry. When they did produce 101 to produce idols in style of jpop and kpop idols, those end up going into acting, but they are called "idol' romanised or "contestants" if for some reason they needed to differentiated.

It's literally used like a genre, like romance dramas, so it's a neutral term. Do note that many actors that drama fans might consider to be ok or good acting might not be "good enough" for picky/harsh cnetizens. All the popular actors have one or multiple "idol" dramas, the fact they are popular meant that they proved they are better than those who can't act.

Actors that debut from various singing and dancing competitions/bands are fairly recent development, they have different terminology in chinese so it's not really mixed up like this. Some of them *can* act and do want to act by the way so they wouldn't be different from 3)

What you reference as "pink drama" is called metropolitan/urban drama in chinese, it's really the focus that made YAMG "idol drama", part of its target are definitely college and high school kids, otherwise it wouldn't air during summer vacation. That doesn't mean women around 30s or men wouldn't enjoy them. My terminology explanation is really just how cnetizens refer to dramas. cnetizens are picky about metropolitan dramas being unrealistic too and their actors are no better than YY and Reba.

Youth drama is entirely different, that's usually school dramas, or kids in college.

Hu Ge, the ML for nirvana in fire probably counts. He did lot of different kind of dramas before Nirvana in Fire. His debut was a xianxia, but one of the rare adventure xianxia and considered idol drama. He did wuxia and non romance focused modern dramas, serious republican dramas, but most people still consider him "idol" actor, he's young, popular and good looking, his more well known dramas are the lighter ones, so the image stuck, till Nirvana in Fire. Also I think him aging and he transitioned to more serious stuff helped too.

Sometimes actors will be referenced as "idols with skills" as in they are widely seen as having great acting skills + good looking, they generally have prestige acting awards (usually you need multiple) to show for it.

It's not really the gaming, all Gu Man's dramas are consider idol dramas lol. It's not really a bad thing, she's consider queen of modern idol drama adaptations because they were all hits.

....can we not bring ccp into this, ccp doesn't label the dramas, cnetizens and media does.

heads up they aren't romance dramas, crime crackdown is doing super well. ideal city and the bond could both be hits. these three are all daily dramas, so they don't really lose steam. candle in the tomb: worm valley at the end of the month will probably do well too

GGS and Legend of Fei are both considered idol dramas by cnetizens, they are usually targeted at young and female audience, romance dramas are usually consider as idol dramas. Rebel Princess is an idol drama (due to content, the politics feels like child's play)

Modern dramas that's not idol dramas's primary focus are usually on something else (family, kids or everything together), e.g. Nothing but Thirty or a Love for Dilemma. Historical, well most dramas international audience watch are also idol dramas lol, xianxia are idol dramas too, even Nirvana in Fire is kind of inbetween of idol and "serious" political drama.

Idols in this context are "young and popular actors", idol dramas tend to be lighter and less realistic. To breakfree of "idol" label, they usually have to do lot of other genres. Yang Yang's special force drama is an example, but if it's not done well, it's considered not serious/"idol-y". There's some realism in YAMG, and lot of people applaud it for that, but it's still not super down to earth? It's a neutral term by the way, although some people will use it negatively, but those people aren't worth your time usually.

You are looking at the yearly chart of mhmmm, basically it's the first thing you watch after you subscribe (so they assume you subscribed for that drama/show). There's actual numbers under them but I think they are relative figures so not relevant here. The donghua version of DLDL is basically always #1, so everyone just ignores it.

I'm not sure where @WK1's numbers are from, but they are total viewcounts this year so far. But they probably aren't updated since youku have recently completely blocked people from seeing its viewcounts last month.

There are people that compile charts for 14 days after non-vip ends for their dramas, but comparing across platforms can be headache inducing, especially when they air on multiple platforms. Tencent's 100mil+/ep dramas are DLDL, Sword of Brocade then Legend of Fei (in order). iQiyi only has MHH but it's higher than DLDL (by my count, iQiyi uses its own system of viewcounts and the figures that's shown here looks like it's lower than the counts I've seen). You Are My Hero and Rattan both aired on all three platfoms and I can't remember their figures off top of my head lol, Rattan broke 100mil and YAMH is just under though.

it hasn't but since datawin doesn't take into account viewcounts, i take it with more grain of salt. Its vlinkage is second highest this year though. 93.62 vs 93.64 iirc, the latter is my heroic husband

it's 2.06billion now