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Did I hit a nerve so hard you had to publicly announce you're going to sabotage ratings on episodes you haven't even watched? Your reply tells me exactly the type of person you are, and people like you don't annoy me. I despise you, you miserable parasite. But thanks for the confession though, screenshotting that for later. 

Also, love how you went from "He's poorly written" to insults and a meltdown the second I asked you to actually explain yourself. Couldn't answer a single part of my question, huh? Not even one example. Just vibes and name-calling. That tells me everything I needed to know. You never had an argument, you just had feelings and a keyboard. 

And the "I can tell what kind of person you are" line is cute coming from someone who just admitted to being a bitter little troll with nothing better to do than try to annoy strangers over a series.

Anyway, whenever you're ready to actually answer the question instead of throwing a tantrum, I'm right here. Take your time, clearly thinking isn't your strong suit.

Oh and by the way "I'm sure lots of people are with me with this" is totally meaningless. A thousand people agreeing with a stupid take doesn't make it smart, it just means a thousand people are equally stupid. 1000 * 0 is still 0.

You could gather a whole crowd of people just like you, and together you still wouldn't have one working brain cell, let alone a decent argument. People agreeing with you doesn't change the fact that you still haven't answered my question, you just have a bunch of people just as incapable of answering it as you are.

If you understand Little Jane's character, you'll understand why he's the one signing the contract. He will simply never put his brother in that situation.

Genuine question here: what specifically makes him poorly written? Like an actual inconsistency, or a motivation that isn't explained?

Because "He gets on my nerves" sounds more like you just don't like him as a person, which is your personal taste. However, your personal taste is DIFFERENT from bad writing.

Also, what would a better-written Little Jane look like? If you can't answer that, then it's not the writing. Again, it's YOUR personal taste.

Nothing wrong with that, but at least be honest about which one it actually is.

That's exactly it. Calling Little Jane "Boneless and Stupid" doesn't really make sense when you actually pay attention to what he does throughout the story.

The break up happens because, deep down, he's afraid of trusting P'Jane and ending up hurt. Sure, I wish he had asked P'Jane more clarifying questions, but I don't blame him for making that choice. The rumors, mixed with how mysterious P'Jane is, make the situation really confusing.

Like you said, a truly spineless character wouldn't create half the conflict that moves the story forward. And you're right, a lot of the criticism comes from the same people repeating the same surface-level complaints without paying attention to what's actually happening in the story.

And that's the point that always gets me: it's completely fine not to like a character, that's a personal preference. But saying "I don't like" is very different from saying "he's badly written".

Once you ask people to explain why he's badly written and/or what will be a better way to write Little Jane's character, nobody can give you an answer with concrete examples.

Exactly, thank you! And honestly I think that's what gets missed the most, people treat P'Jane as the "complex" one and Little Jane as some simple, plain side character who is just there to be loved. But Little Jane has his own contradictions too: he wants to trust P'Jane but is scared of being disappointed at the end, he doesn't hesitate to step in to help but he has his own fears and doubts. That IS complexity, it's just more subtle than P'Jane's.

I keep seeing people say Little Jane has no backbone, that he can’t stand up to his friends but somehow manages to stand up to P’Jane. Make it make sense, please. Maybe I’m the crazy one here.

Little Jane had an argument with Put. That argument even led Little Jane punching Put in the face.

Then there’s P’Dan and the situation at the gallery exhibition. Little Jane was uncomfortable and called him out.

If all of that is not standing up for himself, then I genuinely don’t know what it is.

It feels like people are going out their way to misread this character when the evidence is right there on screen.

Same thing with the “bad characterization” argument. It’s said Little Jane isn’t kind or selfless, that he’s doing the bare minimum, that he’s just “ordinary”. But when you actually show evidence of his kindness, not once they can provide a single moment showing the opposite (Little Jane being indifferent or passive). If Little Jane was really just “ordinary”, that moment should exist. But I still haven’t seen the evidence of it.

And then there’s “I don’t understand why P’Jane fell for Little Jane”, even though P’Jane explains it himself. But because people keep judging Little Jane by their own standards instead of P’Jane’s standards, they refuse to acknowledge the reasons actually given.

This happens in real life too: people who can’t understand why someone chooses a specific person when they supposedly have countless “better options”. It’s the same logic here.

Honestly, at this point it feels less like criticism and more like people just don’t like Little Jane’s character. Instead of watching the story and the characters as they are, they watch it with a preconceived idea of what the story and the characters are supposed to be.

And before anyone comes with “the writers decided to make P’Jane like Little Jane” or “it’s just fiction”, I KNOW!!!

But we’re discussing this within the logic of that fictional world, so that’s not a relevant argument, that’s a dodge.

You’re absolutely right about the fact that the world isn’t just black and white. A person can be neither especially kind nor cruel, just “ordinary”.

That’s true in general.

However, whether that applies to Little Jane isn’t something we can just say. It needs evidence too, same as any other claim.

An “ordinary” person has some kind moments and some indifferent moments or maybe even some cruel moments all mixed together. Little Jane doesn’t have that mix. Every time someone needs help, he acts. Not once does he stand by and do nothing when he could help. If he was truly “ordinary”, there should be at least one moment where he ignores someone in need or looks away like everyone else does. But that moment doesn’t exist. So “ordinary” isn’t really supported by the series, it’s just a comfortable way for you to avoid saying he’s kind.

Also, saying we’re “watching different shows” or bringing up the question of my age doesn’t answer any of this.

I’m not asking you to feel what I feel, I’m asking you to point to a specific scene that shows the other side, the indifferent or passive Little Jane. If that scene isn’t there, then the “ordinary” argument doesn’t hold, no matter how many times it gets repeated.

We are going in circles here.

Little Jane’s kindness is consistently shown through out the four episodes and evidence of it were given to you multiple times yet you keep overlooking them and judging Little Jane by a general standard instead.

On the “spooked and tense” argument, whether you want to accept it or not, that’s just not what is being shown on screen.

Being intimidated by someone looks a certain way, and we see that exact demeanor with Put, Ohm, and the guy from episode 3 when they interact with P’Jane. Little Jane never carries that. What you’re reading as tension is actually Little Jane's fear of trusting P'Jane and ending up disappointed, not fear of P'Jane himself.

That's the distinction you're missing or you're literally refusing to acknowledge. Being afraid to trust someone because you might end up disappointed is not the same as being afraid of that person.

And let’s talk about your “half-baked effort with the girl” argument and the fact that it completely ignores what actually happened in the scene.

Little Jane is the one who moves to help while everyone just stands there. He stops when she turns on him, shouts at him. That’s not him giving up on kindness, that’s a realistic human reaction to being attacked by the person you’re trying to help. Then in the next scene, Little Jane is visibly shaken by P’Jane response, not just casually accepting it. Calling all of that “bare minimum” skips over the fact that he was the only one who acted at all.

Also, saying “P’Jane didn’t choose this, the writers did” is technically true but totally irrelevant here.

We are discussing the story as it is written, not deconstructing the writers’ choices. There IS an in-story explanation for why P’Jane falls for Little Jane. The explanation was given to you. Ignoring it and hiding behind “well, the writers decided it” isn’t an argument, it’s a dodge.

And finally: if Little Jane isn’t kind, that makes him cruel. If he’s not selfless, that makes him selfish. If he’s not caring, that’s indifference. If he’s not brave, that’s cowardice.

You’re the one saying he’s none of the positive traits, yet you refuse to call him any of the negative ones. So which is it? You can’t have it both ways. Either the positive traits are there or he’s the opposite of all of them. And in that case, present the evidence of it.

Saying “he’s just ordinary” isn’t a real answer when the entire discussion is about whether these specific traits are present or not.

I'm looking at the episodes ratings and I genuinely believe there's a real effort being made to rate this show lower than it truly deserves. First of all, episode 4 is rated 6.8/10?? I need to know why. Second, episodes 1, 2 and 3 were once all above 9/10, and now we're dropping below 8/10? what happened? And lastly WHO ARE THE IMBECILES RATING EPISODES THAT ARE NOT EVEN OUT YET?? Y'all are annoying for real!!!

That's not really an answer though. If it's about characterization quality and not the traits themselves, then say what better characterization would've looked like here. Because so far every point raised (Ohm, the girl, Little Jane's family, the medicine, the toy) has been dismissed as "not enough" without much explanation of what "enough" would even be.

First of all, being Kind doesn’t mean one should trust everybody or trust easily. Second, being brave doesn’t exclude being scared.

Now, with that being said:

Little Jane has NEVER been afraid of P’Jane. People like Put, Ohm (Little Jane’s teammate at episode 1), or the guy P’Jane meets at episode 3 are visibly scared and intimidated by P’Jane; you can see it in their body language when they interacted with him.

Little Jane never shows that.

But what Little Jane is scared of, however, is trusting P’Jane and ending up disappointed. That’s confirmed in one side story (on YouTube), and it’s the actual core of his hesitation.

With the rumors piling up and P’Jane own mysteriousness on top of that, Little Jane’s doubt actually makes sense. Honestly, I’d probably have reacted the same way in real life and just walked away. My one real criticism is that I wish Little Jane had asked P’Jane directly instead of going along with what everyone else was saying. But that’s a flaw in judgment, not a lack of kindness.

And I think it’s worth remembering Little Jane did try, more than once. He didn’t want to listen to the rumors. He had a fight with his friend Put when he defended P’Jane, he confronted Tee “The Money Embezzler” reminding him that he’s in prison because of his own wrongdoings. Little Jane wasn’t just passively absorbing rumors; he was pulled in different directions while people called him stupid for being easily manipulated by P’Jane and defending him.

As for that girl scene: Little Jane is the one who actually steps in to help her, while everyone else just stands there whispering and filming on their phones. He backs off not because he stops caring, but because the girl turns on him mid-rescue, blaming P’Jane for her situation. That’s what makes Little Jane stop; not indifference, but the accusation.

And in the follow-up scene with P’Jane, Little Jane doesn’t casually accept that the girl “deserves” her beating. If you take into consideration the story that's actually being presented to you and not the one you’re creating in your head, you’ll see that Little Jane looks shaken by P’Jane’s answer. If anything, that reaction is another element that deepens his doubts about P’Jane.

The same instinct shows up consistently:
— Little Jane stepping in to help Ohm, making him stand up and then taking the ball from P’Jane
— Little Jane stepping in to help the girl, totally ignoring the fact that he can be hurt by that violent ex-boyfriend
— Little Jane stepping in to help his whole family, protecting them from the consequence of the little brother’s gambling mess

That’s a pattern of selflessness, not an isolated moment.

On the “medicine and toy aren’t enough” point: that’s measuring the gesture by YOUR standards, not P’JANE’s standards.

P’Jane says it himself: people only ever come to him wanting something, never just giving. That’s exactly why the toy and the care about his migraine meant so much to him. Not because of what they were, but because of what they represented. Little Jane wasn’t trying to win P’Jane over with something impressive; he was showing he genuinely cared, and P’Jane received it as exactly that.

It’s also worth noting P’Jane was already curious about Little Jane way before any of that. From their very first interaction on the field in episode 1, he was intrigued by someone who wasn’t afraid of him. Then when P’Jane tried to make things easy for him (with a deal), Little Jane surprised him again by saying he’d rather try hard and risk disappointment than have things handed to him. That’s what pulled P’Jane in, long before the medicine or the cute toy ever came into it.

And given that this reads as P’Jane first love (based on how he explains the flower meaning during their Valentine’s date), none of this is shallow attachment on his side either.

So if the argument is that Little Jane isn’t kind, brave, selfless, caring, the question I'm asking to you is: what exactly would make him cruel, a coward, selfish, indifferent? Because I don’t see any evidence pointing that way.

I honestly don't understand how one can see all of this and still say Little Jane is not Kind, Brave, Selfless and Caring. They're doing this on purpose at this point, I don't see other explanation. Or maybe we don't have the same definition for these words.

I don't know how they were supposed to show it for you to "feel" it. But it's clearly shown in the series from episode 1 to episode 4. I could give all the examples but I'm afraid the comment will be too long (you can ask them if you want tho). Other than that, this is not about You, Me or the other viewers. This is about P'JANE and how HE feels. Again, for somebody LIKE HIM, the smallest gesture of genuine care can be enough and it was (episodes 1 & 2 show us that). And also, it will be great to see and understand Little Jane in his entirety as a character. Do not have a preconceive idea of how a kind, caring, selfless and brave character is supposed to be and project that into him.

What do people mean when they say they don't understand why Big Jane wants Little Jane. Talking about Little Jane barely has anything. It didn't occur to you That Big Jane doesn't give a fuck about that since he himself already has EVERYTHING? Why wouldn't he go for Little Jane? the very person who showed genuine care for him, the very person who wasn't afraid of him, the very person who didn't initially went to him because he wanted something... It actually makes sense for Big Jane to go for someone who gives him things he can't get easily, like genuine care. I don't know how you guys watch these series, but maybe try doing it with your braincells activated, because y'all are not thinking at all. Another situation of people watching series as they want it to be instead of watching it as IT IS!!! At this point just write your own fanfic and stop asking dumb questions!!!

I'm always annoyed by the people that say "oh this character deserves better/someone else". NO! The character deserves what he wants, and this goes for P'Jane AND Little Jane!

Honestly, I've always on P'Jane side. Like you said, who cares who's the green flag? I just want Little Jane with P'Jane lol

for me, P'Dan is way too sus to be a "green flag"...

I don't think Put ever liked Little Jane, I believe there is something else behind his "concern". P'Dan is way too suspicious for me to see whatever he's doing with Little Jane as just "sweet and good". Bro talks about being in love with Little Jane for a long time, but little Jane knows about it only now? Bro talks about being boyfriends and all while he knows Little Jane is still emotionally vulnerable? Bro thought it was a great idea to publicly expose Little Jane's photos without his consent and put a price on them? Honestly I'm getting the same vibe I had when Big Jane came hard at Little Jane to be his boyfriend. It's creepy. However I prefer Little Jane being with Big Jane because at least Big Jane doesn't try to hide who he is and he truly does love Little Jane. I can't 100% say the same thing about P'Dan.

same questions I was asking... and Little Jane being the one that were called not even his parents...

I thought about that, then I said to myself maybe it's because P'Jane is who he is and people, even teachers, just let him do whatever...