Wanttowritesobad

I've seen so much Phobtee hate and Tinnakorn hate online that I genuinely think some people are rooting for a sad ending simply because they've picked a side. And I don't get it. You don't have to hate Tinn to love Phob, or hate Phob to understand Tinn. Phobtee's convictions don't make him evil, and Tinnakorn's privilege, his belief in the monarchy, and his inability to fully understand the struggles of lower-class don't make him evil either. They're two people shaped by completely different worlds who genuinely love each other, and that's precisely what makes their story tragic. You can criticize both of them without turning either one into a villain.

What information was Phobtee supposed to get from Tinnakorn, exactly? And what other realistic way do you think he had to obtain it? I'm genuinely asking, because "he could've gotten it another way" means nothing without actually identifying that alternative.

Exactly! That's also why I don't really understand the whole "choose your side" thing. No matter which side you pick, P'Jane and Little Jane keep choosing each other.

And whenever I see people saying Little Jane "doesn't deserve" P'Jane, I'm just like... who are you to decide that? At the end of the day, P'Jane loves that boy DOWN. Maybe that's what really pisses them off, the fact that Little Jane has that man completely wrapped around his finger.

They're both flawed, they've both hurt each other, and they both still want each other. That's literally the story.

me too!

That's interesting. People being more frustrated with Little Jane's reactions than with everything that caused them.

I'm in the third camp.

Team Little Jane AND Jane Patrick.

I defend Little Jane, I sympathize with P'Jane.

At the end, I just want them to work through their issues and finally be happy together 😩

Honestly, this is why I love discussing this series. I'm glad you created an account to explain why you feel this way. The characters are messy and complicated, and there's so much to discuss. Little Jane's perspective deserves to be understood just as much as P'Jane's does.

You say: "Problem with Lil Jane is he believes everyone easily and quick to stop trusting them the sec he hears someone whispers anything negative."

So basically, Little Jane is judged either way.

If he trusts P'Jane despite the rumors, he's called naive. But when he starts doubting P'Jane after personally witnessing things that confirm those rumors, he's called fickle.

He really can't win, can he?

Let me just clarify something: Little Jane did not hear one negative thing about P'Jane and suddenly turn against him. Actually, he did the opposite. He got close to P'Jane despite the rumors, defended him, and believed P'Jane was different from what people said.

The reason his trust started breaking wasn't because someone simply whispered something negative. It was because he started seeing things with his own eyes.

The age issue. Harvard. P'Jane being mysterious, secretive. Little Jane being harassed. Being forced to sign a contract in exchange for his photos. The nightclub incident. The shooting. Being tracked. Put being strangled, not once but twice. Put being threatened. P'Jane constantly keeping things from Little Jane and cutting conversations short with 'It's just business".

These things are not just rumors anymore.

And that's the part I think people overlook. Little Jane is someone who is completely outside P'Jane's world, but he still tried to accept it because he loved the man. He literally told P'Jane that if something happened to him, he didn't know if he could keep going. He was trying to accept P'Jane's reality, but P'Jane continued shutting him out and refusing to be completely transparent with him.

Given all of that, I don't think it's unreasonable that Little Jane's trust became very fragile.

So when Put said P'Jane's name before dying, it wasn't just "a friend with a crush accused P'Jane, and Little Jane believed it". That's a very reductive way of looking at the situation. That accusation came after Little Jane had already witnessed many things that made him question who P'Jane really was.

You can disagree with Little Jane's conclusion, that's fine. But totally ignoring the chain of events that led him there is not really fair. From Little Jane's perspective, the person he trusted was starting to look like the person everyone warned him about.

Also, I don't think there are only two camps. There are people who defend Little Jane, there are people who defend P'Jane, and there are people like me who understands both sides. P'Jane's pain is real, but so is Little Jane's. Both of them love each other, but both of them have issues they need to work on before they can have that beautiful relationship they want.

So yeah, you can be on P'Jane's side. I've never said there was a problem with that.

So instead of discussing Little Jane's character, we're now discussing my personality?

This is not about me being upset that people disagree with me. It's about discussing a story. That's literally what comment sections are for.

When I ask, "Why are so many people blaming Little Jane?" I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have different opinions. I'm asking WHY they reached that conclusion when, from my perspective, the series gives plenty of reasons to understand Little Jane's reaction.

That's called discussing the writing, not policing opinions. And for me, that's a big part of enjoying the series.

Whether I "care too much" has nothing to do with the argument I made. Telling me "people have different opinions" doesn't answer any of the points I raised.

If you disagree with my interpretation, that's completely fine. Just tell me WHY you think Little Jane's reaction wasn't justified based on what happened in the episodes.

That's a discussion I'll be more than happy to have.

Other than that, repeating "people have different opinions" is just stating the obvious without actually adding anything relevant to the discussion.

Yeah, you're right. You were talking about the episode, not the series.

But your criticism doesn't make sense unless you ignore everything that happened in the previous episodes. That's why in my first reply I responded by talking about the series as a whole, not just episode 6.

Little Jane's reactions are not exaggerated, they're the natural result of everything he'd been through.

Me: ***explains Little Jane's POV and the events that shaped his reaction***

You: "People are allowed to have different opinions."

Yes... and this is literally me explaining mine.

So are you disagreeing with my point, or just reminding me that opinions exist?

Telling me to calm down, take a few breaths and go outside doesn't really answer my question. You're a person who sat through six episodes of a series you describe as "unwatchable". I'm just trying to understand the logic behind that bizarre behavior.

Why are so many people blaming Little Jane for having a completely valid reaction?

Why are you ignoring everything that led him to lose his trust in P'Jane?

Little Jane saw P'Jane almost beat a man to death at the nightclub. He knows what type of life P'Jane lives (the shooting). He saw P'Jane strangling Put, not once but TWICE! He heard P'Jane threatening Put. Put said P'Jane's name before he died. Then Little Jane overheard P'Jane having a suspicious phone conversation.

How, honestly, is Little Jane NOT supposed to be suspicious? His trust in P'Jane was already hanging by a thread after everything that had happened.

I think people overlook Little's Jane emotional and mental state. His reaction is completely valid based on everything he's experienced.

Concerning P'Jane, he genuinely loves Little Jane, but he's watching the person he loves not trusting him. That's tragic too

To me, neither Little Jane nor P'Jane is the "villain" here.

But P'Jane's own actions destroyed the trust Little Jane had in him, so Little Jane reacts like someone whose trust has been shattered.

The ending hurts so much because both perspectives make sense.

You can empathize with P'Jane without blaming Little Jane, and you can defend Little Jane without pretending P'Jane doesn't love him.

We're SIX episodes in. If you've found it "unbearable" the whole time, why are you still watching? Little Jane has been emotionally vulnerable since the beginning, so acting surprise that he cries or breaks down in episode 6 is a bit odd. Not every story has to fit your taste, and that's okay. But calling it "unwatchable" after choosing to watch SIX episodes is wild.

Exactly. I defend both of them, and I don't understand the Little Jane hate either. To me, his reactions are very realistic. He's scared, confused, conflicted, but still in love. None of that makes him stupid, it makes him HUMAN. They can defend P'Jane but why blame Little Jane's very valid reactions?

I actually noticed the irony too as a viewer. The man whose first rule is "Don't Be Too Emotional" ends up being the one acting that emotionally. But I'm not sure whether that's something P'Jane himself consciously realizes in that moment, or whether it's just a thematic irony for us as viewers. Your interpretation could absolutely be right. Personally, I lean more toward the latter because the series explicitly brings the promise back into focus, so that's what I naturally connect P'Jane's decision to stop to. But I do like the irony you pointed out.

You described Little Jane's bodily reactions (ceasing resistance, going limp, avoiding eye contact, etc.), to me, that all comes down to one thing: Little Jane had completely given up. That's basically what I said in my previous comment. So I think we're talking about the same turning point, just using different language.

Where I still differ is what happens next. To me, P'Jane realizing Little Jane has completely shut down is precisely what makes him confront the promise he made. That's why I don't see the realization and the promise as two separate things. They're connected.

I also understand what you meant by "weaponizing the promise against himself" now. If I understood you correctly, you're saying he uses his own promise to restraint himself, even though it goes against what he wants in that moment. That actually makes sense to me, since that's essentially what I meant from the beginning when I said he stops because he remembers his promise.

Where I still disagree a bit is when you say P'Jane believes everything he does is right. If that were the case, I don't think he would apologize later when Little Jane tells him loving someone doesn't give him the right to treat them that way. Nor do I think he'd promise that it would never happen again. To me, that suggests he IS capable of recognizing that he crossed a line, even if that realization only comes after his emotions settle.

So I don't see him as someone who lacks any awareness or remorse. I see him as someone whose jealousy and possessiveness overwhelm his judgement in the moment, but who later has enough self-awareness to realize he went too far. That doesn't excuse what he did, but I think it's an important distinction in understanding his psychology.

I think we're talking about two different moments now.

My original point was simply "What Makes P'Jane Stops". Your first reply was that he stops because he realizes Little Jane's fear and emotional distress. My point has always been that Little Jane had already been scared and distressed for a while, yet P'Jane continued.

To me, the turning point is when P'Jane realizes Little Jane has completely given up. That's when he confronts the boundary he promised not to cross, which is why I think the promise is an important part of why he physically stops.

Little Jane saying, "Continue!" is incredibly important too, but I see it differently. To me, it doesn't make P'Jane stops because he had already stopped by then. What the "Continue!" does is make P'Jane realize even more deeply the psychological damage he's just caused, which is why his expression changes so noticeably afterward.

One thing though: what do you mean by "weaponize the promise against himself"? Could you explain that part a bit more? I honestly do not understand what you're trying to say here.

We interpret the scene differently. To me, P'Jane did lose control emotionally. His jealousy and possessiveness are exactly what led him to assault Little Jane in the first place. That doesn't mean he wasn't aware of what he was doing, but I don't see those two things as being mutually exclusive.

I also don't think the promise was just something P'Jane mentioned after he had already made his decision. P'Jane stops before Little Jane says, "Continue!" After stopping, he tells Little Jane, "I told you to leave. Before I can't keep my promise." To me, Little Jane's "Continue!" doesn't make P'Jane stop, because he had already done that. What that line does is make P'Jane realize even more deeply how much he has hurt Little Jane. But the reason he tells Little Jane to leave is because he's afraid he won't be able to keep the promise he made.

I also think the series deliberately emphasizes that promise. Later, Little Jane explicitly asks if the promise P'Jane mentioned that night was the one about not forcing him if he wasn't ready. P'Jane apologizes and promises that it will never happen again. That's why I don't see the promise as just an afterthought, it feels like an important part of the scene and of P'Jane's character.

So, I agree that seeing Little Jane completely shut down is the moment that breaks through P'Jane's anger and makes him realize the seriousness of what is happening. But to me, that realization is connected to the promise he made. Seeing Little Jane in that state is what makes him confront the fact that he is about to cross the exact boundary he promised not to cross. I don't see these as two separate things, the emotional realization and the promise are connected.

That's part of it, but I don't think that's the whole reason. Simply because Little Jane was already showing fear and emotional distress from the beginning of the scene. The crucial element is that P'Jane remembered the promise he made to Little Jane. So it's not just that he realized Little Jane was scared, it's that he reached a point where he remembered the boundary he promised not to cross.