Updated the Golden Spoon rules: https://mydramalist.com/discussions/golden-spoon/81867-the-golden-spoon-rules
So basically:
Seung Cheon is now on his third and final chance.
1st time/chance: 30 days (he switched) 2nd time/chance: 12 months (he returned) 3rd time/chance: 10 years (he switched again)
After the third chance, he has to make one final decision if he will keep the switch or return; after that it's permanent.
As for Jeong Na Ra (a.k.a. the fake Oh Yeo Jin),she is probably consuming her 10 years before the story of Seung Cheon started. I did not pay attention to when the flashback was, but it's probably 1-3 years before Seong Cheon. So by the show's current timeline, fake Oh Yeo Jin is now somewhere 2-4 years out of 10 years.
There are multiple side cases related to the one big case. The killer of the one big case is still unknown; and then there are other murder cases which appears to be related to the mysterious killer of the one big case that started it all.
Is it just me or there was an error in the order of the scenes?! 🤔
Nope, you're not alone. They turned some scenes as a flashback for dramatic effect, but the problem is, the time gap is too short for those scenes to be considered a flashback. They end up just confusing people unless the audience is consuming every single dialogue.
The flashbacks are so confusing. I thought Seungcheon went to that old lady to change back to Taeyong’s life…
Yeah, the way they insert flashbacks is confusing unless they add very telling dialogues (like the meal thing). That scene doesn't have to be a flashback to build up the drama, the time gap is too short for it to be a flashback.
1. The "mother" firmly said she naturally gave birth to her two sons.
a. Did she send her two sons to the fake adoption center and later made it appear to Crazy Dog , and everyone else, she adopted them? Or,
b. They really were adopted and she was simply being firm she gave birth to them naturally in case Crazy Dog was secretly recording her?
2. Is Sung Hoon being framed by the real killer? Or, he's remembering things as well and it is controlling him?
3. Is there some "hypnotic" aspect to this show? The memories of the two brothers were sealed and new identities were given. Maybe the original sons died or something? And the "mother" was too crazy she found two boys who looks similar to her real boys and convinced Crazy Dog to let her adopt them?
Then later sent them to a hypnotism expert and gave them new memories? Hence she was firm in claiming she gave birth to them naturally?
And you just proved my point why it is important to share the news. We will never understand each other if we let these things buried.
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The debate on the accuracy of historical fiction works has been around since the time of William Shakespeare, and even earlier. There have been a lot of papers published about it (many are in JSTOR), and it will continue to be debated.
Like it or not, this 'incident' is one of those. People will always be divided between “it's fiction” and “historical accuracy”. Even in the West, for example, the show “The Crown” is the most recent television series in the UK criticized in the UK for not conforming to “historical accuracy”. In the US, many Abraham Lincoln fiction were also criticized (like the novel and film “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter”).
People will debate about it forever.
However, I do not believe that news such as this should not be shared just because “naaa, everyone complains about it”. Discourse is important, it is how society will improve. With today's digital age and how easy it is to archive everyone's opinion on matters, future generations will have something to look back into, and maybe understand how their world changed … because you and me discussed it.
As a good example, the information you shared is valuable. It gives everyone a different view on the issue raised by Vietnam. In other platforms, all I've seen were “it's fiction”.
So on that, thank you for sharing, it gave us a deeper understanding.
> I think Little Women is framing the people involved in the war as the bad guys, that's what matters to me and what people should focus on imo.
Correct. But many 21st century viewers only see the surface and not the deeper meaning of the stories they watch/read.
We don't need to go far, "Little Women" is a very good example. There are a lot of deeper messages and lessons from this adaptation, but many are missing it. Most people only see the surface story, and the actors.
There's nothing bad with only seeing the surface, the obvious, or watching because of the actors; but as far as the discussion goes, people who see the deeper essence of a story is now an "endangered species".
I think it is because Korean dramas are more popular today and their writers understand what "fiction" is.
Unfortunately, the world today is more about political correctness and it no longer matters if something is fiction or not. If something doesn't align with one's political correctness standards, it will get cancelled.
Western shows used to be the target of these, but today they are very careful on what they write because they can no longer afford getting cancelled or receiving negative news. The top brass are now very quick to cancel shows.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Korea eventually does the same as Western shows.
Wonder if Vietnam's viewers feel the same way?Little Women has been the #1 top Netflix TV show in Vietnam for…
At least in other SNS platforms, there are Vietnamese leaving comments in favor of their government's decision (and some were event 'attacking' people saying "it's just fiction").
It's hard to know what the actual sentiment is. If the communist government says it is against their laws… I guess that's also a signal to never disagree with them online.
But still, now we know which States and Nations are sensitive about it. (And interestingly, Korean "netizens" are supporting Vietnam's government.)
Wonder if Vietnam's viewers feel the same way?Little Women has been the #1 top Netflix TV show in Vietnam for…
True. Personally, I was surprised Vietnam's government reacted badly about it. In other SNS platforms, there were Vietnamese who supported the decision as well -- to the point that other commenters stayed out of it because supporters of the decision were 'attacking' them. Ironically, very similar to how Koreans who support cancelling a show or a celebrity react in comments.
Which brings to… the Korean production should've known to be careful about it since their own people are sensitive about historical changes. If their own are sensitive, then they should've expected there are other cultures who are also sensitive like them.
I don't agree with the ban. Fiction is fiction.
Sure, the Koreans have said before, and maybe the Vietnamese will say the same thing, "if it is your own country's history 'distorted' in fiction, you would ban/cancel it too". Sorry but no. My country, my people, we've had our share of "distortions" (to borrow their word) in fiction. While I understand the sentiments, I did not agree with the calls for bans and all that (especially when the government or some agency involved themselves).
There are few people today who understands what 'fiction' is.
We often hear about Koreans (and Chinese) being sensitive on fictional changes, that it should be a reminder for everyone they are not the only ones who take fiction as 'real [history]'.
(At least in the Philippines, things changed for the last xx years. Even though the counrty is often depicted as a haven for Korean criminals, I have not seen anyone reacting badly about it. Yes, it was sad and a disappointment but Filipinos today learned to take fiction as fiction. I hope other countries, like Vietnam, China, and Korea, will one day learn it too.)
This has already been posted. The show is not a documentary, but a fiction. Characters in fiction do not only…
Do you want me to say my piece about the ban?
"I personally do not agree with it. However, the Korean production should have been careful about it, especially since they themselves are sensitive about their own history."
I hope that satisfies you. ^_^
If you still do not understand why I shared this news, and the one before it, then I have nothing else to say. Have a great day.
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Seung Cheon is now on his third and final chance.
1st time/chance: 30 days (he switched)
2nd time/chance: 12 months (he returned)
3rd time/chance: 10 years (he switched again)
After the third chance, he has to make one final decision if he will keep the switch or return; after that it's permanent.
As for Jeong Na Ra (a.k.a. the fake Oh Yeo Jin),she is probably consuming her 10 years before the story of Seung Cheon started. I did not pay attention to when the flashback was, but it's probably 1-3 years before Seong Cheon. So by the show's current timeline, fake Oh Yeo Jin is now somewhere 2-4 years out of 10 years.
Instead of the preview being teasers, it is now spoilers because of the multiple episode previews. T_T
There are multiple side cases related to the one big case. The killer of the one big case is still unknown; and then there are other murder cases which appears to be related to the mysterious killer of the one big case that started it all.
As usual --> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLom9SdXHUp4hwPmZJgR0HMzvya5t3I8tn
Enjoy!
Would've been interesting, lols. Hey, why not? Interesting twist…
a. Did she send her two sons to the fake adoption center and later made it appear to Crazy Dog , and everyone else, she adopted them? Or,
b. They really were adopted and she was simply being firm she gave birth to them naturally in case Crazy Dog was secretly recording her?
2. Is Sung Hoon being framed by the real killer? Or, he's remembering things as well and it is controlling him?
3. Is there some "hypnotic" aspect to this show? The memories of the two brothers were sealed and new identities were given. Maybe the original sons died or something? And the "mother" was too crazy she found two boys who looks similar to her real boys and convinced Crazy Dog to let her adopt them?
Then later sent them to a hypnotism expert and gave them new memories? Hence she was firm in claiming she gave birth to them naturally?
Crazy
Anyway… we're finally going to see Jamie Leighton! I mean, Lee Chung Ah, in tonight's episode!
Still waiting for "Full Episode 5" from the official source (GMA Network).
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The debate on the accuracy of historical fiction works has been around since the time of William Shakespeare, and even earlier. There have been a lot of papers published about it (many are in JSTOR), and it will continue to be debated.
Like it or not, this 'incident' is one of those. People will always be divided between “it's fiction” and “historical accuracy”. Even in the West, for example, the show “The Crown” is the most recent television series in the UK criticized in the UK for not conforming to “historical accuracy”. In the US, many Abraham Lincoln fiction were also criticized (like the novel and film “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter”).
People will debate about it forever.
However, I do not believe that news such as this should not be shared just because “naaa, everyone complains about it”. Discourse is important, it is how society will improve. With today's digital age and how easy it is to archive everyone's opinion on matters, future generations will have something to look back into, and maybe understand how their world changed … because you and me discussed it.
As a good example, the information you shared is valuable. It gives everyone a different view on the issue raised by Vietnam. In other platforms, all I've seen were “it's fiction”.
So on that, thank you for sharing, it gave us a deeper understanding.
Kudos!
Correct. But many 21st century viewers only see the surface and not the deeper meaning of the stories they watch/read.
We don't need to go far, "Little Women" is a very good example. There are a lot of deeper messages and lessons from this adaptation, but many are missing it. Most people only see the surface story, and the actors.
There's nothing bad with only seeing the surface, the obvious, or watching because of the actors; but as far as the discussion goes, people who see the deeper essence of a story is now an "endangered species".
Unfortunately, the world today is more about political correctness and it no longer matters if something is fiction or not. If something doesn't align with one's political correctness standards, it will get cancelled.
Western shows used to be the target of these, but today they are very careful on what they write because they can no longer afford getting cancelled or receiving negative news. The top brass are now very quick to cancel shows.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Korea eventually does the same as Western shows.
It's hard to know what the actual sentiment is. If the communist government says it is against their laws… I guess that's also a signal to never disagree with them online.
But still, now we know which States and Nations are sensitive about it. (And interestingly, Korean "netizens" are supporting Vietnam's government.)
Which brings to… the Korean production should've known to be careful about it since their own people are sensitive about historical changes. If their own are sensitive, then they should've expected there are other cultures who are also sensitive like them.
I don't agree with the ban. Fiction is fiction.
Sure, the Koreans have said before, and maybe the Vietnamese will say the same thing, "if it is your own country's history 'distorted' in fiction, you would ban/cancel it too". Sorry but no. My country, my people, we've had our share of "distortions" (to borrow their word) in fiction. While I understand the sentiments, I did not agree with the calls for bans and all that (especially when the government or some agency involved themselves).
There are few people today who understands what 'fiction' is.
We often hear about Koreans (and Chinese) being sensitive on fictional changes, that it should be a reminder for everyone they are not the only ones who take fiction as 'real [history]'.
(At least in the Philippines, things changed for the last xx years. Even though the counrty is often depicted as a haven for Korean criminals, I have not seen anyone reacting badly about it. Yes, it was sad and a disappointment but Filipinos today learned to take fiction as fiction. I hope other countries, like Vietnam, China, and Korea, will one day learn it too.)
^_^
"I personally do not agree with it. However, the Korean production should have been careful about it, especially since they themselves are sensitive about their own history."
I hope that satisfies you. ^_^
If you still do not understand why I shared this news, and the one before it, then I have nothing else to say. Have a great day.