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Well, it's the end. Like, finally. Now we can move on to Sky in Your Heart. Though looking at the script quality, I'm afraid it's also going to be bland. So I'll keep my expectation on the lowest bar for that one.

Moving on.

For this drama, I gave it a score of 6.0/10.0
The reason why I give this score:
1. Lack of chemistry on-screen.
I know people keep telling me, "They have chemistry", but sadly I don't feel it. It feels like they're being forced to be on the show. I don't watch variety shows, so I only see their chemistry in the drama, which I felt is very lacking.

2. Bad acting.
There are many bad acting in Thai-BL and I usually choose to ignore it. But this one makes me uncomfortable. Whenever they cry, I seriously couldn't believe they're sad. It feels more like they're forcing themselves to cry and then force us to believe they feel something. It's so painful to see episode 6 where Daonuea cried his heart out and all I can do is roll my eye and wish this torture end quickly.

3. Very weak plot.
At the end of the day, I'm not even sure what's the main plot of this drama? Second chance in love? But they always love each other since beginning. Misunderstanding and miscommunication? But the first 2 eps and the last 2 eps tell a different story. Puppy love? But they're not even teenagers anymore during the start of the drama, which makes this argument invalid. When you think about it again, this drama didn't even have any "real plot" in it. It feels like the scriptwriter is just winging it and the director went along with it just to get it done. I hope Sky in Your Heart has better script (apparently I still hold some hope for this).

4. Weak side characters.
None of the side characters are actually used in decent way in this drama. The friends are just there to be accessories. Then there's also this pushy guy who don't understand the meaning of the word "No." The side characters are just there to exist and to fill the quota, and that's all they're worth of.

5. Scriptwriting and directing.
Many people calling out the director for being bad, but I also want to give the honor to the scriptwriter. If the script is at least decent, then bad camera work could be somehow tolerated. The same thing also happened to a BL-themed drama turned bromance from China which was popular in 2019 (I'm sure everyone who watched BL know about this drama). The camera work most of the time quite bad and awful, but since the script is good, the story is still enjoyable. But in the case of this drama, the script itself is already weak and bad, added with weak directing, making it just very uncomfortable to watch.

All in all, I think my score is valid. The drama was not bad, but it was also not even near good. It was not even mediocre, as I can see some plot in the beginning. It's just that none of the storytellers truly understand what vision they have for the drama, which resulted in a total mess in the end.

While I'm clinging on hope that Sky will be better (looking at the logic of drunk driving already giving me a bad premonition, but I'll hold on), I will still keep my expectation very very very low. This way, I can enjoy the drama.

While I agree that rating is based on personal opinion, but there's a need for the person who gives the rating to be impartial to it as well. They will need to be rational when they give the rating, as the person who will see this page later and then saw the rating 8.1 might decide to pick it up, and then regretting it because it wasted their precious time. If you see my list, the only drama I ever give 9 (which is the highest in my rating), is Nirvana in Fire. No other drama could ever get close to it. And the rating 9 is due to the great plot, great conflict, great characters, and amazing acting from the beginning to the end. So I believe that the drama watcher should be able to calmly think what kind of rating that they will give a drama, not only based on one good feeling, for example only towards the actors, and then ignore the rest.

Of course, it's just my two-cent.

And about the lack of sex-scenes, I'm not sure where those people come from, but in Asia, that kind of topic is still taboo. We will assume that they do it behind the door, but it's not something that you will need to flaunt in front of others. I don't want to reply there because it seems like our opinion differ greatly, as I can't see things from their perspective. If they think their perspective is correct, then their culture must have make them think that it's something that's normal for them. In my culture though, it's not something common so lack of sex-scenes don't really bother me.

Actually, we can. We will get tired more in the beginning but the we will be able to adjust to the new body condition. As he's just fresh out of the surgery, so I supposed he didn't really register that his body fatigue is caused by the missing kidney, and not from the after-effect of surgery (not the present timeline, but in the past after he received the surgery).

Shush, some of the fans like more smexy scenes than plot, as it's sweet (according to them). Sadly, we are the minority here, so we have to swallow what we can get lol

Some of the newest BL actually takes more plot and even sending messages to the audience. Some are still learning the rope, and I hope they change it soon. I want the plot to be good, not the kiss scene that's good and they forgot to add the plot.

Agree. A BL show doesn't have to be all kiss and smexy scenes. It needs a good plotline too.

Sure! I'll check it out! I'd love to hear different takes on a drama, it's interesting to know how we can think differently from the same material. I'll be sure to look out for it :)

Yes. I never think that this drama is the best or without flaws. There are many flaws. But the positive things within this drama cover it up somehow so I can enjoy it. I didn't forget the flaws, but there are just so many positive things that make it easy to fall in love with this drama, so I hold on. And somehow this becomes my greatest comfort during the hardest time of my life, that's maybe why I'm so protective about it.

I'm also sorry if you think I'm harsh with my words.

But don't ever do this again if you don't want to be attacked. There are other people who would be harsher than me. And they would roast you to no end.

And no, I usually don't reply a lot in forum discussion, unless there's something that triggers me. So don't worry ever crossing path with me again.

You should read what this OP replied to me above. I was being civil, giving them the comparison that they wanted, and said I'm not being nice. I don't even use too many emoticons or expressions like "!!" or "??"

The op abandon this by episode 2, said they didn't care to go back to watch it, and then to compare it with other drama. If they didn't want to get dragged down in comments, then they shouldn't have commented in the first place.

Where in my reply I use excessive words, swearing, or to make it look like I'm hating the other drama? I was mentioning the comparison because you are the first one who started it. And what I stated is the fact from Cutie Pie.

This one is your own word:
"How does this series have so many positive comments and 'Cutiepie' doesn't??"
If I mistake your wording, because you sound so condescending over here to compare this drama to Cutie Pie, then it's my mistake.

Despite that, my reply to you is much more civil. I started the comparison because I feel like you're asking about it.
If you see my comments in Cutie Pie section, I didn't even mention anything negative or comparing it to other drama.

And I've watched your reply to others. So you abandon this drama in episode 1, then go here after seeing so many negative comments on Cutie Pie, then leaving a comment where so many people also disagree with you.

Oh by the way, if you have the rights to post your opinion comparing other drama with this one, or other dramas in the future, then I also have the rights to contradict you. I simply make my points, giving you my opinion on what makes this drama miles better than Cutie Pie. You're the one who go hysterical about it in your reply.

I don't know why they feel the need of dragging other drama to make a point. No drama is ever perfect. Even Bad Buddy which makes me frustrated with the silly parents fights and also the toxic friends, and KinnPorsche which I think is the embodiment of toxic relationship (they do get better, but I still think it's not a healthy relationship when it's started due to sex). Even Secret Crush On You I think is not perfect, there are flaws, so I don't praise it to heavens. And I also never use this drama to make comparison with others, because I think that's silly. Each drama has its own charm, so it shouldn't be compared to others.

THiS. Like I don't care if you like other drama more. Comment in there, not in here and drag this drama down because you think the other side is full of toxicity (which I don't recommend). The poster didn't even realize that the rating of this drama is way far down than the series they like, because so many people leave low rating.

Do not bring other drama in this forum. You can go back to Cutie Pie if you like that one more. It feels like a waste of time being civil there when a fan of that drama comes here to make fun of this drama, which is miles better than the other one.

But if you want reason, I'll give it to you.
1. There's no stupid miscommunication and misunderstanding in this drama. They communicate. They didn't make us frustrated because they play mute all the time. They actually talk and resolve the problem.
2. Respecting boundaries. Nuea asked Toh, asking for his consent, to move in with him. And that's after their relationship is secure and they know they love each other very much. Do you see Nuea dragging Toh to live with him without asking for his consent first? Even during the kiss, Nuea ALWAYS respect Toh and always ask. He never assume his partner wanted something, even though we clearly can feel the sexual charge.
3. Creepy behavious is addressed. Toh's friends ALWAYS calling him out on this behaviour, and he even try to get better later on. One stuff one date. Slowly he change. Did the lying behaviour of all the characters in that other drama ever being addressed? And I mean not just for the whole 3 minutes of last episode? And the reason for the constant lies in that drama is also very annoying, it's all because of love. So if you love someone, you have the rights to lie to them instead of being honest?
4. Good dynamic relationship. Even though you see Toh as creepy (which I'm sure only based on the first episode), Nuea ALWAYS try to make Toh see that he loves him, in many ways possible. Being straightforward, being honest, and always willing to meet Toh's eye level, as a symbol that they're equal in their relationship. Toh also change slowly, being more confident and hoarding less. I don't see this in that other drama you mention, because all of the tops are so overbearing and ALWAYS make the decision for their bottoms.
"You can't go out without my permission."
"You have curfew."
If I have to say one word to those tops, it will be "JERK"
5. Positive message. This show give you a message about being loved for who you are. The trandsgender, the creepy (your word), and the one with body problems, have a chance to be loved by everyone. Even the nerdy kids have the right to feel love, which is the major message of the show. Nuea's parents and Toh's parents speech showed the positive message of acceptance of any kind of love, which is a good message to have.

Lastly, do you know the reason why this show is loved by many? Because no one expect that this drama will bring so much joy as they thought it will be a cringe drama (including me). They didn't try to be what they don't, and yet they're more succesful in giving life lessons than the other drama who preached about same sex marriage. The discussion in last episode is so bizarre because it was never a problem in the last 11 episodes (in which it's full with lies all over the place). Suddenly it matters now? When your show is almost ending?

I still tried to be as polite to you as I can, despite you commenting harshly and try to bring down this drama to make the other drama look better.

It's good to know. I just don't like it when people mentioning age and how we talk. I talk in a very childish way, even my mom, so I just feel slightly offended on this claim

I feel slightly offended because I'm 34 this year (born in 1988, if you want to see my ID card I can show you), but I use "bro", "yo", "sadge", "copium" or whatever language younger people using. The language we choose to use doesn't represent our age.

I listened to a lot of BLCDs too mostly, because I no longer have a lot of time to read manga. Only when I have long break on December, or when I do take annual leave (even then, I always got called for work, so annual leave feels like nothing lol). BLCDs definitely easier, because I can listen to the voices I love.

Nah, I'm too lazy to advocate for them. But whenever I watch the news with my dad, there's always this crazy stupid story about teenagers doing questionable thing to their friends because they're influenced by the shitty Indonesian drama that the people in my country is making, and I always think that it's so crazy to be so easily influenced by a drama. But apparently, you can. So yeah

To be honest, many people read BLs even back then and that's why we have so many translation team for BLs alone. But I agree that the forum was very limited back then. For me who read in its original language (I only read the Japanese ones), I met a lot of BL fans, both male and female, throughout the 15 years I've been in the BL community.

Like I've also mentioned, toxic rape and misunderstanding manga still being published, but it becomes less and less. Do you mean Caste Heaven? I think that it was released around 2014-2015, which is the era where I said that this type of trope is still common.

I'm not judging others on what they like or don't like. I've said it that I'm one of those shallow people who are satisfied with just seeing pretty faces on my screen, so I don't really care much whether there's plot or not.

I'm not sure where you come from, but from what I know in my country (Indonesia), the teenagers easily believe what the television said to them. For example, someone watched a wrestling competition, and he actually tried the move to his friend out of joke, and his friend ended up dead. There are many other examples of bad decision-making from the teenagers, and that's why I said while they're not naive, they do understand what they're watching, but there are people who would take what the drama told them at face value and ended up not having enough capability to think properly and ended up making the mistake.

Don't worry, I think that we both discuss the problem just fine. What's the world without good argument? It would be a boring place if everyone feels the same way.

I've past the age of being irrational. I'm at the age where I enjoy everything I can get.

What I mean is stand against the other dramas that have better plot. I've mentioned it, but I think that the quality of this drama is very good. The production value is definitely high, looking at the camera they're using, the money they're pouring into the drama, and so on. It's a pretty drama to look at, that's for sure. It's also a commercial success, and therefore very popular. But if we have to compare the plot of the drama against those that are more plot-heavy ones, this one fell short.

I say this with confidence because when my friend asked me about this drama, all I can say: "There are pretty faces, hot soft porn scene, an arranged marriage, and a whole bunch of misunderstanding for 11 eps ." Other than that, I can't say anything else because this drama has no substance that I can even tell people about.

There are always aggressive teenagers, and I agree we can't blame the shows for it, but we also can't deny that there might be connection to it somehow. Parents can't always be with their child, especially during tough times like this, when parents most likely go out to look for money and have no time to look at their child. Not that I blame the drama though.

I am okay with the drama. Not bad, but also not good either. I do enjoy it when I was watching them live, though I mostly forgot that it was there until Mandee channel told me that Cutie Pie is coming. But yeah, in overall I do enjoy it a lot.

I'm also against people criticising to the point of making it feel like the drama has nothing to offer. In terms of plot might be none, but in other aspects, especially the aesthetic, it's a good one.

I don't think everyone also wanted to watch a perfect show. There will always be flaws, but it should be covered with a good substance. This is what's lacking from many similar dramas that only use the outer appearance to sell their product. It's pretty to look at but nothing inside.

Attacking people who express their opinion is also not good. I'm also not happy with the way people keep bringing other dramas into this discussion, because it was not supposed to be like that. Dragging one drama to make the other better is not the way to say that this drama is good or not. I did say that this drama might not stand against the comparison of other dramas, but it should be done in an open forum, where more people could see and react to the opinion.

I'm sure there will be people in their home country who pointed on the flaws. The other countries have this with more and more companies use social media to gain opinion from their audience. Social media is a strange place. You could be braver and say what you might not able to say face-to-face, so the director and creator will be able to get a more honest opinion about what they make.