Fun fact: apparently the original working title of this show was Hurt People Hurt People, so there you go.
I was just gonna get off the page but...hm maybe just don't talk so much? We can still read. And if we see the other one commenting in spite of themselves, we can message them and be like "hey now! breaks are good!" LOL
Ray is mostly alone, and now Mew is going to use him. Ray is an adult child of an alcoholic and most of my friends…
No, sorry. Ray is using Mew's vulnerability to worm his way in. He does not care that Mew is rebounding at him, he just wants what he wants. And now he's either trying to double dip with Sand (HILARIOUS considering what broke Mew and Top up was something fairly similar), or he's deliberately trying to keep Sand on the hook so that when Mew wises up (as Ray has to suspect he will), he still has someone to go to after.
There's no excuse for that. I wish people would stop acting like Ray's trauma is a get out of being a total asshole free card.
are we watching the same show?? hes an mentally ill alcoholic and drug addict surrounded by people who enable…
I have a feeling we're getting a s2, but I won't be here for it lol. No interest. I don't even care if it ends on a cliffhanger. THey should be able to tell a story that wraps up in a place where if there is no second season then it's still okay, and if they couldn't do that then I doubt they'll manage it with more time.
(thinking something like Midnight Museum here. Yes it ended with a stinger that could lead to a S2 but even if S2 never materializes it was still an ending that felt like one)
I get annoyed too. You need to see how people vilify Ray's friends all over twitter and defend Ray over everything..…
Yeah I am pretty over him and his whole deal at this point, and I am frankly getting sick of the Sand vs Mew stuff going on, like this is a cage match for Ray's affections and there can only be one.
WHY. Ray is such a loser if anything these dudes should date each other and leave him well out of it. I understand addiction but it's like people think that it's an excuse for every selfish act Ray pulls and it just isn't. And frankly yes, Sand does well with him where no one else does but the truth is Sand just hasn't been around long enough for Ray to drain him dry the way he has everyone else. Literally everyone else in Ray's life has the same reaction to him - weary exhaustion - and I think that is more telling than anything.
In a way I am glad that it seems we're diving more into just how selfish and shitty he is but I think they took too long with it. Because if they intend to have him change I'm just not gonna buy it. I do feel validated though because I've been clocking his shittiness since day one lol.
And yeah, everyone keeps going on about how sad it is that Mew is clearly using him as a rebound but I'm just like. He's doing *exactly what Boston said he'd do*, he's taking advantage of his friend when he's most vulnerable to finally get this chance that he thinks he deserves (he super doesn't - this is Nice Guy thinking if ever there was Nice Guy thinking) and he's not thinking about Mew. It's never been about Mew. It's been about Ray and how Ray thinks Mew should feel about *him*.
But yes the way that twitter and to a lesser extent tumblr keep excusing his actions and vilifying his friends works my nerves. And the fact that the show keeps rewarding him in a sense whenever he starts his bullshit just makes it worse. I know, I know, it's more true to life blah blah, but come ON my friends the show has punished literally every other character for their actions by now. So don't try that with me. The one thing that has been consistent with this show is actions having direct, painful consequences...unless you're Ray. He better be getting a reality check soon.
Sorry for the rant but I have reached my limit with this dude.
Has Ray ever had any real consequences for his actions at all in the entire series as of yet?
Like real consequences. Something he's actually suffered for. I feel like every other character has crashed and burned but Ray keeps getting off and it's starting to annoy me.
(is this because I'm still seething over the episode 8 preview? Maybe shhh)
are we watching the same show?? hes an mentally ill alcoholic and drug addict surrounded by people who enable…
Yeah my favorite is Sand so I'm always waiting for him to show up. But I had to give myself a reality check recently because I've also been waiting for the ex to make an appearance, but let's be real, if they do it won't be for Sand, it'll be to cause drama for Mew somehow. And while i like Mew he's not my favorite and I just don't care as much.
The thing is, it could have been that show. Jojo does not shy away from that kind of thing. It's just unfortunate because this is Mew's story.
Maybe another drama in the future. My hope is we get more stuff like this - stuff that feels more grounded in reality - or MLC, which was really a slice of life drama where everyone just happened to be gay. If that starts happening we can start exploring different kinds of storylines that aren't just who will end up with who.
i think they will probably be more focused on Top trying to make Mew forgive himnext ep it looks like Mew getting…
It's in the trailer.
And yeah Jojo tends to give his MCs a happy ending. So Mew is probably safe. So is whoever he winds up with if he winds up in a couple.
I don't want Boston to improve lol. I want him and Nick to wind up in a "they deserve each other" pair. :D I love Boston I can't help it and honestly, he's been *fine* with Nick. Some people don't do monogamy, that's fine. I think that if they can work out an open relationship they'd actually do well.
are we watching the same show?? hes an mentally ill alcoholic and drug addict surrounded by people who enable…
Actually I tend to agree with you. I feel like the MewRaySand love triangle is getting most of the focus and it's a little silly when both Sand and Ray have actual problems, lol. But you (and I) have to remember that they are 20 somethings so that *is* what they'd be focusing on. Just because the other stuff is more interesting to my mind doesn't mean that I'm gonna get it.
Especially when you consider that even though this is sort of an ensemble, Mew is still the main character.
i think they will probably be more focused on Top trying to make Mew forgive himnext ep it looks like Mew getting…
I think Mew will get a good ending. Whether he's with Top or Ray or someone new or single, he's the only one I am sure will end up in a good place.
Everyone else? I made some predictions a while ago. I think we'll get a mix of happy and ambiguous, maybe one bad end. I want Nick and Boston to make it but I don't really have faith. Sand and Ray will not, but they might still be in touch if one of them isn't dead.
So what if Ray’s dad asked Sand to call the police on him since he wanted to teach Ray a lesson???🤔
That or he offered him money to try to keep Ray as sober as he can / keep him out of trouble / convince him to go to rehab.
Take the money Sand. Take it! You're poor, you need it more than you need love. Be practical for once. And honestly it's about time Ray had to face up to the consequences of the shit he pulls. Everyone else has thus far, some of them immediately (hi, Sand!). He might be winning now, but the one thing that is reliable in this show is that no one wins for long.
He doesn't want to be poly he wants to be Hugh Heffner lol. He can have multiple but everyone can only have him.
Lol I am, sorry. I just want to talk about this show all the time it's firing my brain up.
They make perfect sense if you think he wants everything. Because he's selfish and greedy and he wants to date Mew and pour what little love he has into him but he also doesn't want Sand to stop taking care of him. Especially since Mew won't. It's simple if you think about it through the Ray is a selfish ass lens lol.
Oh yes for sure. I am well on my way to hating his guts but even I can't deny that. :D
I think he cares about Mew as much as he is capable of caring about anyone. But I think it pretty much stops there lol.
You can't drag someone like Ray to therapy, They have to choose it. I hope something gives and that he does, but the fact that he seems to be just settling into being a complete dick makes me less hopeful than I was.
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There's no excuse for that. I wish people would stop acting like Ray's trauma is a get out of being a total asshole free card.
(thinking something like Midnight Museum here. Yes it ended with a stinger that could lead to a S2 but even if S2 never materializes it was still an ending that felt like one)
WHY. Ray is such a loser if anything these dudes should date each other and leave him well out of it. I understand addiction but it's like people think that it's an excuse for every selfish act Ray pulls and it just isn't. And frankly yes, Sand does well with him where no one else does but the truth is Sand just hasn't been around long enough for Ray to drain him dry the way he has everyone else. Literally everyone else in Ray's life has the same reaction to him - weary exhaustion - and I think that is more telling than anything.
In a way I am glad that it seems we're diving more into just how selfish and shitty he is but I think they took too long with it. Because if they intend to have him change I'm just not gonna buy it. I do feel validated though because I've been clocking his shittiness since day one lol.
And yeah, everyone keeps going on about how sad it is that Mew is clearly using him as a rebound but I'm just like. He's doing *exactly what Boston said he'd do*, he's taking advantage of his friend when he's most vulnerable to finally get this chance that he thinks he deserves (he super doesn't - this is Nice Guy thinking if ever there was Nice Guy thinking) and he's not thinking about Mew. It's never been about Mew. It's been about Ray and how Ray thinks Mew should feel about *him*.
But yes the way that twitter and to a lesser extent tumblr keep excusing his actions and vilifying his friends works my nerves. And the fact that the show keeps rewarding him in a sense whenever he starts his bullshit just makes it worse. I know, I know, it's more true to life blah blah, but come ON my friends the show has punished literally every other character for their actions by now. So don't try that with me. The one thing that has been consistent with this show is actions having direct, painful consequences...unless you're Ray. He better be getting a reality check soon.
Sorry for the rant but I have reached my limit with this dude.
Like real consequences. Something he's actually suffered for. I feel like every other character has crashed and burned but Ray keeps getting off and it's starting to annoy me.
(is this because I'm still seething over the episode 8 preview? Maybe shhh)
The thing is, it could have been that show. Jojo does not shy away from that kind of thing. It's just unfortunate because this is Mew's story.
Maybe another drama in the future. My hope is we get more stuff like this - stuff that feels more grounded in reality - or MLC, which was really a slice of life drama where everyone just happened to be gay. If that starts happening we can start exploring different kinds of storylines that aren't just who will end up with who.
And yeah Jojo tends to give his MCs a happy ending. So Mew is probably safe. So is whoever he winds up with if he winds up in a couple.
I don't want Boston to improve lol. I want him and Nick to wind up in a "they deserve each other" pair. :D I love Boston I can't help it and honestly, he's been *fine* with Nick. Some people don't do monogamy, that's fine. I think that if they can work out an open relationship they'd actually do well.
Especially when you consider that even though this is sort of an ensemble, Mew is still the main character.
Everyone else? I made some predictions a while ago. I think we'll get a mix of happy and ambiguous, maybe one bad end. I want Nick and Boston to make it but I don't really have faith. Sand and Ray will not, but they might still be in touch if one of them isn't dead.
Take the money Sand. Take it! You're poor, you need it more than you need love. Be practical for once. And honestly it's about time Ray had to face up to the consequences of the shit he pulls. Everyone else has thus far, some of them immediately (hi, Sand!). He might be winning now, but the one thing that is reliable in this show is that no one wins for long.
They make perfect sense if you think he wants everything. Because he's selfish and greedy and he wants to date Mew and pour what little love he has into him but he also doesn't want Sand to stop taking care of him. Especially since Mew won't. It's simple if you think about it through the Ray is a selfish ass lens lol.
Yes, that's why I like him.
You can't drag someone like Ray to therapy, They have to choose it. I hope something gives and that he does, but the fact that he seems to be just settling into being a complete dick makes me less hopeful than I was.