i think the finale is no different than for taxi driver, and they made two more seasons. closed to where it's great for an ending but also leaves in-universe room for more stories. i could see them do more for sure
hubby and friend should join the squad if there is a s2
i also thought of the cop switching sides as a nice idea but tbh if that was gonna happen it'd have to be with his family's killer. or something to that level would have to happen - corrupt department, complete failure of the system again. i think they missed the train for that and that's okay, shows need to have balance and he brings the necessary anti-thesis to vigilantism. and taesong can't "join" bc he's the narrative "middle" - merging the bona and cop perspectives bc he seeds all sides. he needs to stay a neutral reporter. gets to believe in upholding a system while judging when it fails and supporting alternatives that could work better. excellent characters for more seasons, they've been set up wonderfully.
Yea but the husband was different in that he himself also kind of rooted for the kingfisher and understood and…
exactly like i wonder if some of these people are even watching the show?? he was always the #1 kingfisher stan and made a whole post questioning his duty of reporting kingfisher if they ever met.... and then it's his wife + who saved his life too before they even really met?? like CONTEXT PEOPLE
but then i think if this WAS that kind of story where the husband finds out and rejects his wife, the discourse would be how he knew her, loved her, how could he leave her, f him etc so maybe people will just never be happy
ultimately, if morally gray protagonists and people enabling & accepting them is a dealbreaker for people maybe choosing to watch a drama about an assassin isn't the smartest decision hm
one of the best dramas i've seen in a while! was nervous about the ending but they manged to stick the landing.…
i'll add some spoiler thoughts here:
- i love what they did with the cop character, sangyi did a wonderful job. i do think an interesting stoyline would have been him joining the sales team 👀 maybe in the AU in my head, let he show keep him a good cop. but i do wish we saw a bit more of him coming to terms with them not getting the right kingfisher, and knowing it's bona... there's so much more there to cover!
- i wish the sister and manager ki ended up together 😠i'm a sucker for she fell first he fell harder. they really played in my face and i don't like it.
- i clocked hyeonam and taemin from their first scene and i love being right!!! i wish we got more of them being awkwardly cute
- if i had to nitpick one thing about the ending, it'd be that i dont believe bona would leave yul for 6 months... i enjoyed taesong's perspective but i wish we saw at least a scene of bona explaining to someone why she's willing to run away... it's subtextual and i do understand it, but i wish we were shown more of her turmoil to make that choice really make sense, bc it's already a hard sell after seeing her be such a devoted mother.
one of the best dramas i've seen in a while! was nervous about the ending but they manged to stick the landing. i hope they do another season, there's more story there - i'd love to see more of the characters.
I need more Recommendations that are similar to this
for vigilantism centered stories i suggest taxi driver, vigilante, the devil judge, leverage (remake of american series which is also excellent!), maybe also bad & crazy. teach you a lesson and study group are more school violence vigilantism. for something with a romance angle/hiding a secret from your partner i suggest the flower of evil, big mouth, worst of evil.
Well, I don't even know, the series disappointed me. As Koreans love, they've mixed all genres in a row, and there's…
if you don't like protagonists who do morally gray things, maybe choosing to watch a drama centered around an assassin wasn't the best decision? just curious bc this drama is exactly what it was in the first two episodes. and if you ever thought the endgame would be them catching her and going to prison, i gotta say you just played yourself.
the whole point of the story is to present us with the moral and ethical dilemma of vigilantism, and skr loves these stories. i wonder if you liked the devil judge, the killing vote, the judge from hell, taxi driver? all those present the same themes. they show a flawed system and people who choose to take justice in their own hands. yes, you disagree with it, but if you're unable to enjoy a show due to it.... then you really just shouldn't watch those stories bc you cannot properly judge them. this was an excellent show that handled heavy topics wonderfully (especially the husband and the cop!) and balanced the humor with the seriousness of the plot.
re: being more competent than cops... idk what copaganda you've fallen for but statistically most unsolved crimes are due to police error... does it get played up for fiction? absolutely. but come on now. there's plenty of kdramas with genius policemen and copaganda wherever you look (same with military) - maybe dont pick the show where the protagonist is who you want in jail bc that wont happen... and idk how much you know about the skr justice system but it's trash, they don't even have no fault divorce! you get more for smoking weed in a country where it's legal that r*ping someone. (literally if you smoke weed in amsterdam, come back to skr and get drug tested you can end up in jail!) why do you think they have so many shows with these themes and plots lmao the people are frustrated!
the whole point of watching shows and media literacy is to set aside your own bias and perspective and walk a mile in someone else's shoes... yes there are genre conventions and some dumb tropes (the sister in law's romance stories, the guy not washing etc) but if you're unable to take that in stride no one put a gun to your head to keep watching.
I guess its not about what the great grandfather did but because she was praising him which means either she had…
i don't think someone found this in research and set her up. had someone dug that out they would have just released it regardless of an interview. i also think she has mentioned coming from a doctor family a few times before as well.
it's more likely that either in her publicist package or in a questionnaire you generally fill out for production before a broadcast interview she mentioned a fun fact of coming from a family of doctors. with the asian culture and tiger parenting stereotypes i think they're especially fascinated with people coming from laywer/doctor/engineer families who choose the arts. it was supposed to be charming but when she went into specifics especially the mention of japan people got curious and checked their suspicions.
it was just an unfortunate set of circumstances. had she said less or had she not been ignorant about her family history maybe she could have avoided this. skr is strict about "earning" public support, that's why the cancelations are harsh. they don't think someone whose family benefitted from war crimes should now be entitled to the people's money. and i understand that sentiment to an extent.
it keeps bearing in mind skr is still in a war, and that they were wartorn and in a major financial and economic crisis just a few decades ago. as someone coming from a country war torn in the 90s, it's a very specific way of looking at things. you know they haven't done anything, but their parents or grandparents may have directly caused the death, ruin and poverty of their parents and grandparents. they lost aunts and uncles in war. people are still dealing with those traumas. and so much of it stems from the japanese occupation. it's very nuanced.
I think it's been a reminder to the viewers that she doesn't know he's her father, which does make it worse for…
i think a much better angle would have been to make either the other coworker or the chairman's right hand man someone age-appropriate and the romantic interest for banggeul (idk if you've seen that one, but something like one of the couples in your radiant season). that way you get a romance, and you get the comedy of the chairman not approving of the relationship which she could read as him being interested in her and turn him down which he gets to be outraged at that assmption. also wouldn't drag it out, as they did her and the crime of ep7.
the writers had options but picked the lazy and creepy one. imo they should have also played up the chairman yearning for his wife and given us a storyline with them, which could end in her having realized it's him. another very romantic idea.
also re: my mention of the comments as stubborn is bc i don't think saying "this isn't a romance" answers the criticism, which is why i found them annoying. one must engage with criticism in good faith and be willing to look at a different perspective. a lot of those people just act superior bc they look up interviews. but you shouldnt need to look up "word of god" (ie behind the scens stuff) for a good show! and if many people are criticizing the same thing, something's gotta be there. intent is one thing but the end result doesnt have to reflect it, and since the discussion is being had - it clearly doesn't match here.
Just so you realize it. It's actually about 2 months after her death. That's when the baby was conceived, and…
idk i think it's weird to pretend she lives in a vacuum where only her father's decision ever affect her. she's in an environment surrounded by people of her own class, where people had political marriages and prepare to have them in the future, know who they'll marry, where parents have affairs and divorce and remarry... you can't say she didn't care that she was a maid when she never calls her a wh*re or a gold digger, she only ever demeans her station as a maid. even the kids explicitly see her as below them as she was a maid. you can't act like that doesn't matter and that it's not directly correlated to her being embarrassed? the ENTIRE show is based on class differences literally from the soccer player placed against the chairman and you choose to purposefully ignore this. everyone is here like woe is jaegyeong but the treatment of the stepmother is okay? so she shouldn't have fallen in love? come on now. a bad thing is a bad thing. if someone slaps me, turning the other cheek doesn't mean let them him me again it means NOT hitting them back.
She's not trying to get revenge. She is after money and power. "The car accident and destroying others' lives…
i think saying the point of the show is that the protagnist is in the wrong is a wild misinterpetation. he did a wrong thing (made mistakes in how he raised his children) but people should be allowed to make mistakes in life without that correlating to being an excuse for murder and breaking the law? and mind you, they werent ruining their father's life - they were ruining that of an innocent man. INNOCENT. the hit and run started it all and you think bc they saw an opportunity to pin it on their shitty dad that's fine? much like the narrative we are centering the rich and forgetting the poor - bc who cares about the random soccer player? (this show certainly never did past ep3)
like she is not justified. she is not in the right. many are placed in similar situations and dont make her choices. the writers are portraying the chairman as a flawed man but that doesn't make him an antagonist. they're humanizing his children but that doesn't make them the heroes.
you guys took the "sharpay and regina george were the real victims" type narratives a bit too seriously and a bit too far lmao
Would you ever forgive your dad if he got another woman pregnant when not even 1 year had passed since your mother's…
i think i'd just go NC and sort my feelings out with a therapist before conforming my whole life and personality around hating my dad and becoming a killer but that's just me
i understand there's not meant to be a romance (as many stubborn comments keep reiterating) but the running "gag"(???? i really don't know how else to refer to it) of having banggeul continuously reference her father in a romantic context isn't funny!!!! like the point that she doesn't know it's her dad is meant to be the source of the comedy and what makes it ridiculous but it's just weird and creepy so it falls flat. maybe once i'd haha about it but over a dozen times it's just creepy. and for everyone getting so defensive over this critique with the aforementioned "there's no romance tho!!1!1" - how else is the audience meant to take her repeatedly getting flushed and fawning over the guy like a schoolgirl with a crush? and the repeated references everyone else makes bout them? it's okay to say the drama failed this bit, you can go ahead and admit that while raving about everything else - that's called nuance.
but then i think if this WAS that kind of story where the husband finds out and rejects his wife, the discourse would be how he knew her, loved her, how could he leave her, f him etc so maybe people will just never be happy
ultimately, if morally gray protagonists and people enabling & accepting them is a dealbreaker for people maybe choosing to watch a drama about an assassin isn't the smartest decision hm
- i love what they did with the cop character, sangyi did a wonderful job. i do think an interesting stoyline would have been him joining the sales team 👀 maybe in the AU in my head, let he show keep him a good cop. but i do wish we saw a bit more of him coming to terms with them not getting the right kingfisher, and knowing it's bona... there's so much more there to cover!
- i wish the sister and manager ki ended up together 😠i'm a sucker for she fell first he fell harder. they really played in my face and i don't like it.
- i clocked hyeonam and taemin from their first scene and i love being right!!! i wish we got more of them being awkwardly cute
- if i had to nitpick one thing about the ending, it'd be that i dont believe bona would leave yul for 6 months... i enjoyed taesong's perspective but i wish we saw at least a scene of bona explaining to someone why she's willing to run away... it's subtextual and i do understand it, but i wish we were shown more of her turmoil to make that choice really make sense, bc it's already a hard sell after seeing her be such a devoted mother.
the whole point of the story is to present us with the moral and ethical dilemma of vigilantism, and skr loves these stories. i wonder if you liked the devil judge, the killing vote, the judge from hell, taxi driver? all those present the same themes. they show a flawed system and people who choose to take justice in their own hands. yes, you disagree with it, but if you're unable to enjoy a show due to it.... then you really just shouldn't watch those stories bc you cannot properly judge them. this was an excellent show that handled heavy topics wonderfully (especially the husband and the cop!) and balanced the humor with the seriousness of the plot.
re: being more competent than cops... idk what copaganda you've fallen for but statistically most unsolved crimes are due to police error... does it get played up for fiction? absolutely. but come on now. there's plenty of kdramas with genius policemen and copaganda wherever you look (same with military) - maybe dont pick the show where the protagonist is who you want in jail bc that wont happen... and idk how much you know about the skr justice system but it's trash, they don't even have no fault divorce! you get more for smoking weed in a country where it's legal that r*ping someone. (literally if you smoke weed in amsterdam, come back to skr and get drug tested you can end up in jail!) why do you think they have so many shows with these themes and plots lmao the people are frustrated!
the whole point of watching shows and media literacy is to set aside your own bias and perspective and walk a mile in someone else's shoes... yes there are genre conventions and some dumb tropes (the sister in law's romance stories, the guy not washing etc) but if you're unable to take that in stride no one put a gun to your head to keep watching.
it's more likely that either in her publicist package or in a questionnaire you generally fill out for production before a broadcast interview she mentioned a fun fact of coming from a family of doctors. with the asian culture and tiger parenting stereotypes i think they're especially fascinated with people coming from laywer/doctor/engineer families who choose the arts. it was supposed to be charming but when she went into specifics especially the mention of japan people got curious and checked their suspicions.
it was just an unfortunate set of circumstances. had she said less or had she not been ignorant about her family history maybe she could have avoided this. skr is strict about "earning" public support, that's why the cancelations are harsh. they don't think someone whose family benefitted from war crimes should now be entitled to the people's money. and i understand that sentiment to an extent.
it keeps bearing in mind skr is still in a war, and that they were wartorn and in a major financial and economic crisis just a few decades ago. as someone coming from a country war torn in the 90s, it's a very specific way of looking at things. you know they haven't done anything, but their parents or grandparents may have directly caused the death, ruin and poverty of their parents and grandparents. they lost aunts and uncles in war. people are still dealing with those traumas. and so much of it stems from the japanese occupation. it's very nuanced.
the writers had options but picked the lazy and creepy one. imo they should have also played up the chairman yearning for his wife and given us a storyline with them, which could end in her having realized it's him. another very romantic idea.
also re: my mention of the comments as stubborn is bc i don't think saying "this isn't a romance" answers the criticism, which is why i found them annoying. one must engage with criticism in good faith and be willing to look at a different perspective. a lot of those people just act superior bc they look up interviews. but you shouldnt need to look up "word of god" (ie behind the scens stuff) for a good show! and if many people are criticizing the same thing, something's gotta be there. intent is one thing but the end result doesnt have to reflect it, and since the discussion is being had - it clearly doesn't match here.
i also hope it's done but it doesn't suddenly overturn the scenes upon scenes i've had to suffer until now. even just thinking about it makes me sick
like she is not justified. she is not in the right. many are placed in similar situations and dont make her choices. the writers are portraying the chairman as a flawed man but that doesn't make him an antagonist. they're humanizing his children but that doesn't make them the heroes.
you guys took the "sharpay and regina george were the real victims" type narratives a bit too seriously and a bit too far lmao