Hello, thank you so much for letting me know 💗!! I’ve already removed that movie from the list 😃!! I also…
I believe two lists is enough. One for ethnic groups recognized by the Chinese government today, and one for ancient minority ethnic groups in Chinese history.
Now that I think about it, I was a bit ignorant in my last comment. The Khitan case is more complicated than I thought. Although the Liao dynasty was not considered an orthodox Chinese dynasty under the traditional concept of political legitimacy in the way the Song was, historically speaking, Liao was still a multi-ethnic state considered part of Chinese history (the Russian word for China is "Kitay"). There was a large Han Chinese population within Liao that played a very important role in its bureaucracy and local administration. In this respect, Liao had some similarities to Northern Wei dynasty and Qing dynasty.
So, with this context, I would consider the Khitans, Jurchens, and Xianbei to be ancient minority ethnic groups within Chinese history, rather than simply viewing them as foreigners. So, I guess the true foreigners are Central Asians (Gokturk, Wusun) and Korean peninsula people (the ethnic-Mohe concubine in Legend of Xiao Chuo). Nanzhao and Dali kingdoms are in the gray area since they are regional polities in southwestern China with very direct historical connections to the ethnic groups of modern China.
Sorry for talking so much about that topic. Back to your question: It depends on whether you consider Taiwan an independent country or not. Mainland China officially recognizes the Gaoshan peoples as one of its ethnic groups (mainly about the ones in Fujian province), while Taiwan recognizes 16 distinct indigenous peoples. The two classification systems are different. Although they have historical and ancestral connections, they cannot be considered completely equivalent. (Indigenous Taiwanese people dislike the Gaoshan label, as it means "high mountains", completely disregarding indigenous peoples that traditionally lived in the plains.)
Side note: Creation of the Gods II is treated as pre-Han Chinese history. I don't remember it having distinct minority ethnic groups, unless this adaptation mentions the four barbarians (Rong, Di, Man, Yi).
Hello, thank you so much for letting me know 💗!! I’ve already removed that movie from the list 😃!! I also…
No worries, it's understandable! There’s just one thing I’m confused about, since you also included extinct peoples.
I noticed that you included the Khitans (The Legend of Xiao Chuo) and the Xiongnu (A Legend). Since those stories take place within their own countries, they are actually considered foreigners from the perspective of the Chinese dynasties of the time. I think a more appropriate example of minorities would be Khitans living within the Song Dynasty (A Change of Destiny), or Göktürks/Sogdians living within the Tang Dynasty (The Glory of Tang Dynasty, The Long Ballad).
Idk, this is overrated, but it's also not that bad. I did enjoy all the silly scenes in the matches. It definitely feels different from old Stephen Chow comedy movies though, in a bad way. The shifts in tones are weird, and the music choice is even weirder (gloomy, tragic music when your team is literally dominating the other team from start to finish?). It's like he's trying to fit in as many elements/genre as he can, while occasionally throwing in some comedy.
I'm more surprised that on chinese sites, if anyone even speaks out about disliking it (in a polite way), they instantly gets HUNDREDS of dislikes, sometimes berated with replies. It felt like bots were being hired to hype up this movie over there. All blind praise without saying anything substantive/meaningful.
Thanks for such a thoughtful comment. I especially agree that it's strange how protagonists over the past decade…
Yes, it was in the picture. Here's the translation:
4-25-2018 Yes, I admit it. Back when I was acting as Shancai and had a hard time getting a grasp on the character, I told Director Tsai, "Shancai is such a bitch! I hate her. I don't even know how to play her." The director spent a long time convincing me, saying things like, "She's still young and doesn't understand love. An ordinary girl who suddenly has two really handsome guys confessing their feelings to her is bound to get dizzy and confused." Anyway, I realized that I disliked Shancai halfway through filming! But I still did my best to portray her in a way that wouldn't make the audience hate her too much! The audience back then was so innocent—they actually let Shancai off the hook just like that! Who knew that the old drama from years ago would be rebroadcast! Now all the inconsistencies are out in the open! I admit Shancai is a "green tea", but I still worked very hard to make her come across in a better light. That's all.
That's not what I meant. CP3 isn't Season 2—it isn't a season at all. CP3 is a standalone adaptation, and, story-wise it is actually a prequel to CP1, not its direct sequel. So it shouldn't be treated as the next season of the same show.
Thanks for such a thoughtful comment. I especially agree that it's strange how protagonists over the past decade…
Actually, face culture is a small factor. It's mainly about professionalism and industry relationships. I learned this from Memories Beyond Horizon season 3: When an actor nitpicks too much or publicly disparages past projects, directors and producers will immediately think he/she is difficult to work with. Liu Yichang did this and got blacklisted for like two years (he kinda deserved it cuz he's very disrespectful and immature).
As for Barbie, she complained about her role in her 20s, but didn't make it public until her 40s. Here's the screenshot of her post: https://m.douban.com/movie/review/9353447/
I'm clapping for your rage.After watching Cdramas for a while, I notice a pattern of misogyny, apparent in many…
Thanks for such a thoughtful comment. I especially agree that it's strange how protagonists over the past decade seem to be reverting to that obedient, patriarchal ideal. It does feel like society has taken a step backwards in that regard, though I'm glad more netizens and YouTubers are noticing it and speaking up about it.
As for the actors, they generally aren't allowed to publicly speak negatively about their own roles or the script, so all we'll hear are positives. (The boldest example I've seen was Barbie Hsu complaining that Shan Cai from Meteor Shower is a green tea bitch). While everyone seem to really like their roles, Wu Jinyan had mixed feelings. The director said the role is satisfying and empowering because the protagonist always wins every battle. But Wu Jinyan said all she felt while playing her was how difficult and painful the protagonist's journey was, so it didn't feel satisfying at all. However, she does greatly admire the protagonist's intelligence, decisiveness, and calmness. In conclusion, she admit that she likes playing this role and the revenge genre (didn't say anything specific about the script).
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Now that I think about it, I was a bit ignorant in my last comment. The Khitan case is more complicated than I thought. Although the Liao dynasty was not considered an orthodox Chinese dynasty under the traditional concept of political legitimacy in the way the Song was, historically speaking, Liao was still a multi-ethnic state considered part of Chinese history (the Russian word for China is "Kitay"). There was a large Han Chinese population within Liao that played a very important role in its bureaucracy and local administration. In this respect, Liao had some similarities to Northern Wei dynasty and Qing dynasty.
So, with this context, I would consider the Khitans, Jurchens, and Xianbei to be ancient minority ethnic groups within Chinese history, rather than simply viewing them as foreigners. So, I guess the true foreigners are Central Asians (Gokturk, Wusun) and Korean peninsula people (the ethnic-Mohe concubine in Legend of Xiao Chuo). Nanzhao and Dali kingdoms are in the gray area since they are regional polities in southwestern China with very direct historical connections to the ethnic groups of modern China.
Sorry for talking so much about that topic. Back to your question: It depends on whether you consider Taiwan an independent country or not. Mainland China officially recognizes the Gaoshan peoples as one of its ethnic groups (mainly about the ones in Fujian province), while Taiwan recognizes 16 distinct indigenous peoples. The two classification systems are different. Although they have historical and ancestral connections, they cannot be considered completely equivalent. (Indigenous Taiwanese people dislike the Gaoshan label, as it means "high mountains", completely disregarding indigenous peoples that traditionally lived in the plains.)
Side note: Creation of the Gods II is treated as pre-Han Chinese history. I don't remember it having distinct minority ethnic groups, unless this adaptation mentions the four barbarians (Rong, Di, Man, Yi).
I noticed that you included the Khitans (The Legend of Xiao Chuo) and the Xiongnu (A Legend). Since those stories take place within their own countries, they are actually considered foreigners from the perspective of the Chinese dynasties of the time. I think a more appropriate example of minorities would be Khitans living within the Song Dynasty (A Change of Destiny), or Göktürks/Sogdians living within the Tang Dynasty (The Glory of Tang Dynasty, The Long Ballad).
I'm more surprised that on chinese sites, if anyone even speaks out about disliking it (in a polite way), they instantly gets HUNDREDS of dislikes, sometimes berated with replies. It felt like bots were being hired to hype up this movie over there. All blind praise without saying anything substantive/meaningful.
4-25-2018
Yes, I admit it. Back when I was acting as Shancai and had a hard time getting a grasp on the character, I told Director Tsai, "Shancai is such a bitch! I hate her. I don't even know how to play her." The director spent a long time convincing me, saying things like, "She's still young and doesn't understand love. An ordinary girl who suddenly has two really handsome guys confessing their feelings to her is bound to get dizzy and confused." Anyway, I realized that I disliked Shancai halfway through filming! But I still did my best to portray her in a way that wouldn't make the audience hate her too much! The audience back then was so innocent—they actually let Shancai off the hook just like that! Who knew that the old drama from years ago would be rebroadcast! Now all the inconsistencies are out in the open! I admit Shancai is a "green tea", but I still worked very hard to make her come across in a better light. That's all.
As for Barbie, she complained about her role in her 20s, but didn't make it public until her 40s. Here's the screenshot of her post: https://m.douban.com/movie/review/9353447/
As for the actors, they generally aren't allowed to publicly speak negatively about their own roles or the script, so all we'll hear are positives. (The boldest example I've seen was Barbie Hsu complaining that Shan Cai from Meteor Shower is a green tea bitch). While everyone seem to really like their roles, Wu Jinyan had mixed feelings. The director said the role is satisfying and empowering because the protagonist always wins every battle. But Wu Jinyan said all she felt while playing her was how difficult and painful the protagonist's journey was, so it didn't feel satisfying at all. However, she does greatly admire the protagonist's intelligence, decisiveness, and calmness. In conclusion, she admit that she likes playing this role and the revenge genre (didn't say anything specific about the script).
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1LNN36TEAe
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NjweztE8c